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Dreaminess
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posted September 01, 2015 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A woman i know has a scorpio venus in the 12th house and she has been treated badly by men they only use her for sex and nothing more. They don`t even bother contacting her when they don`t need sex. They can treat her so OBVIOUSLY bad and she still continues to try to please them and even WORSE she is in love/infatuated with them. She can get her hopes up so fast and can belive in a sweet fantasy and have issues seeing the reality of a "love" situation. I am just shocked at how much she can tolerate from a man she is into.

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posted September 01, 2015 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know someone is going to come and say: I have Venus in 12th house and I don't have issues with boundaries! but I would say they are the exception. Venus in 12th house is a difficult position because the 12th house is the house of the unknown, the house of the undoing, and the house that can trip us. It's like that damn attic in our house where nobody goes.

When properly handled, it is a beautiful Venus that can devote itself to alleviate suffering. I know a doctor with this Venus and he is a remarkable human being. He is using his Venus to heal a population of patients who don't have access to the full gamut of medical services.

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posted September 01, 2015 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReadingTheStars95     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, Dreaminess! I have a question for you, but I don't want to derail this thread too much..

If you are willing, could we talk on Hearth and Home or something? Or, is there some other way I could contact you? xD

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Dreaminess
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posted September 01, 2015 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
Hey, Dreaminess! I have a question for you, but I don't want to derail this thread too much..

If you are willing, could we talk on Hearth and Home or something? Or, is there some other way I could contact you? xD


Hi, yes we can go on HH if you like

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posted September 01, 2015 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 12th house itself is vague, hazy and undefined. Anything goes. That makes people with these placements attractive to predators.

In an established relationship, I have clear boundaries. That's saturn's work, papa is on my side. I have a bunch of planets in the 12th house, my saturn is in the 1st.

But still, I equate love with sacrifices. This theme plays out in my relationship. My tolerance threshold is high, I'm eager to be understanding, to give, to ease burden and soothe pains. As long as the other person don't take kindness for weakness. I know my limits and principles

In my interactions with other people though, boundaries get dissolved, guards get lowered quickly if I don't consciously keep check. I get too close too fast, and most don't take it well once I drift away.

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posted September 01, 2015 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus 12th here.

What are boundaries?
I'm not familiar with that.

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posted September 01, 2015 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nah, actually it took a lot of suffering from mistakes but I got it under control. (Years worth of mistakes and suffering)

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posted September 01, 2015 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DopGang:
Nah, actually it took a lot of suffering from mistakes but I got it under control. (Years worth of mistakes and suffering)

Huff, good you got it under control. Sad to see misery is brought to her everytime she is into a man. Its often unrequited and she is the one that always goes out of her way to please those morons. This girl also has her mars opposite both nep and uranus so that can also explain the attraction to unavailable men.

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posted September 01, 2015 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julz87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus 12th here as well, isn't this the unrequited love placement, falling for unavailable people (true for me) and yea being sort of a pushover in relationships.I feel sorry for your friend, but I'll be honest I've been there done that I hope she overcomes that you learn over time.


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posted September 01, 2015 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
Huff, good you got it under control. Sad to see misery is brought to her everytime she is into a man. Its often unrequited and she is the one that always goes out of her way to please those morons. This girl also has her mars opposite both nep and uranus so that can also explain the attraction to unavailable men.

It's very much a self sacrificing Venus, until reality hits, eventually.

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posted September 02, 2015 02:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Einfühlung     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been unlucky in the love department as well.. I have Venus in Gemini in 12th. Though I haven't really experienced predators though... I've read somewhere that if 12th house Venus people have a hard aspect with Venus and Saturn in natal (I have this aspect), it's likely they won't fall victim to being mistreated. Fear of being loved even though I want it really bad but I end up messing up because I'm too afraid to show it is the main theme for me.

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posted September 02, 2015 04:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry about your friend. That sounds really sad. I dont think the 12th house Venus necessarily means "no boundaries". Perhaps a distorted view of love though...I used to have the starry-eyed romantic ideals when I was young. But I've never had issues with boundaries. In fact, I had many rules during my dating years. How is your friends Venus aspected?

You could also look to your friend's moon and see whats going on there...maybe it will show some answers??

This may sound corny, but Dr. Phil said it best: You allow people to treat you the way you want to be treated. It sounds like she needs to work on her self worth, and maybe get some counseling.

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posted September 02, 2015 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"This may sound corny, but Dr. Phil said it best: You allow people to treat you the way you want to be treated. It sounds like she needs to work on her self worth, and maybe get some counseling."

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Her venus only receives one aspect from mars and it is a trine. But her moon is squared by both neptune and uranus and her mars also receives three hard aspects from sun, neptune and uranus. I think this adds to the attraction towards unavailable men.

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posted September 02, 2015 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would say that they want love very badly, perhaps more than other Venus placements. It hurts to want love so badly. Love makes them very afraid of rejection, so they pull back. This could be misinterpreted as aloofness.

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posted September 02, 2015 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Ami Anne are you going to do an article about pluto/venus?

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posted September 02, 2015 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@Ami Anne are you going to do an article about pluto/venus?

Do you want one?

Write down all your questions here and I will see what I can do, my Friend.

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posted September 02, 2015 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DopGang:
Nah, actually it took a lot of suffering from mistakes but I got it under control. (Years worth of mistakes and suffering)

I don't have 12th Venus but I still completely relate to your statement.

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posted September 02, 2015 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My SO is a Pisces Venus 12H human. To sum it up he is an "illusionist". I swear he could make anyone truly believe that he thinks they are the greatest person ever or that he is magically in love with that person but it's just a very thick fog. He has had some bad experiences with women and I would also say that sometimes he gets trapped in his own fog and can't see **** in front of him! By the time he wakes up he does an Aries (his sun)-180 degree- and tells them to eff off. Kinda Dr.Jekyll and Mr. Hyde :-/

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posted September 02, 2015 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Do you want one?

Write down all your questions here and I will see what I can do, my Friend.



I want to know what sort of people pluto/venus folks attract and how others might see them.
How pluto/venus folks try to attract someone
and how they deal with relationships etc etc.

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posted September 02, 2015 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, it is someone with Venus/Pluto in the natal? I can do that

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posted September 02, 2015 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
So, it is someone with Venus/Pluto in the natal? I can do that


Yes. And Thank you i`ll be waiting for it

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posted September 02, 2015 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
Yes. And Thank you i`ll be waiting for it

My SO has Venus conj Asc op. Pluto conj Dsc. You can ask me questions if you have any

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posted September 02, 2015 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kibriana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You don't really want to have any boundaries with this Venus. You want to merge, to become one with the one you love, even though that's impossible. I don't think 12th house Venus believes she deserves love - that's why she attracts such relationships which help reinforce that theory.

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posted September 02, 2015 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
So, it is someone with Venus/Pluto in the natal? I can do that


This is TOTALLY unrelated to this thread (sorry Dream), but Ami do you do guitar lessons online?

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posted September 02, 2015 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by charlie:
My SO has Venus conj Asc op. Pluto conj Dsc. You can ask me questions if you have any

Do you live up to the plutonic traits since he/she attracted you? And do you see the plutonic influence in his/her love style?

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