posted September 01, 2015 10:29 PM            

I would assume, generally speaking, perhaps the child born after one's Saturn Return would have more "potential" already built in them that the parents have "worked on"... but idk. I also feel this could engrave bad habits on a child if the parents haven't resolved some issues? maybe it could be a crutch? HMP. I'm just tossing ideas out there... haha.

posted September 02, 2015 01:55 AM            

For instance, I know a woman who had her first child at 25, a few years before her Saturn return. The child was born with Moon/Saturn square. Although she managed to care for the child, she really experienced difficulties at age 29- the year of her Saturn return- when she had to put the child in school, had to find another job to support the increasing costs, etc.

posted September 02, 2015 06:41 AM            

Would you like to have bad news first or good news first ?

Work, Work, Less Work, Less Work,Play OR
Play Less Work, Less Work, Work, Work

posted September 02, 2015 09:03 AM            

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Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
From my experience, I've seen that most children who are born before their parents' Saturn return usually have more Saturn aspects in their chart. This is partly because they have to deal more with security, money, survival, etc, and also due to the fact that they act AS a Saturnian influence on their parents.

For instance, I know a woman who had her first child at 25, a few years before her Saturn return. The child was born with Moon/Saturn square. Although she managed to care for the child, she really experienced difficulties at age 29- the year of her Saturn return- when she had to put the child in school, had to find another job to support the increasing costs, etc.

Saturn indicates delays, so a child born pre-Saturn return may be responsible and act very self-contained (like an adult) when young and then experience his/her youth in older ages. Alternatively, a child born during that time may have trouble focusing in school (I know one who has a Mercury/Saturn square), or maybe they have a few issues with emotional repression.

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I can vouch for this too.

My boyfriend and his sister were both born before their mother's Saturn Return and they are both heavily Saturnian. My boyfriend worse so.

Boyfriend:
Saturn in 7th square Sun, inconjunct Moon, square Mercury, conjunct Mars

Sister:
Saturn in 1st conjunct ASC, sextile Sun, semi-sextile Mercury, square Mars

posted September 02, 2015 01:02 PM            

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Originally posted by socialgraffiti:

Saturn indicates delays, so a child born pre-Saturn return may be responsible and act very self-contained (like an adult) when young and then experience his/her youth in older ages. Alternatively, a child born during that time may have trouble focusing in school (I know one who has a Mercury/Saturn square), or maybe they have a few issues with emotional repression.

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Interesting. That pattern seems common now among young folk nowadays, lots of maturity at a young age, puberty, having kids very young, etc. Perhaps though, its in favor of life's demands right now, everything is quick quick, go go, with lots of impatience.

posted September 02, 2015 04:08 PM            

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Originally posted by SnowCatcher:
How would you interpret post Saturn?

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They seem to have a more balanced chart, not as overwhelmingly focused on Saturn. Many children who were born pre-Saturn return tend to have a closer relationship with their mothers, a more aspected moon, whilst their Sun or Mars has some harsh aspects to it (they have to overcome obstacles to express themselves) or those planets are placed in the mutable houses (they must learn how to adapt).

posted September 02, 2015 09:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Soltze:
Are we talking specifically about the mother or the father?
Because my dad was 25 and my mom was 35.

I do have a few saturn aspects in the chart. I did act like a responsible kid, now I decided to live life and my saturn return is in 3 years...yikes

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posted September 02, 2015 10:08 PM            

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Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
They seem to have a more balanced chart, not as overwhelmingly focused on Saturn. Many children who were born pre-Saturn return tend to have a closer relationship with their mothers, a more aspected moon, whilst their Sun or Mars has some harsh aspects to it (they have to overcome obstacles to express themselves) or those planets are placed in the mutable houses (they must learn how to adapt).

In contrast, post-Saturn return children either have a stronger dose of Sun or Mars- which are often placed in the cardinal houses or the fixed houses, meaning they are more certain of their identity and are more willing to take charge of their environment rather than adapt to it. I also associate Pluto and Neptune influences with pre-Saturn whereas post-Saturn tends to have more Jupiter and Uranus influence. There are exceptions to the rule, but this is a lot of what I've observed over time.

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Very interesting observations, and depth of info! Thanks for the input.

posted September 03, 2015 01:42 PM            

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Originally posted by SnowCatcher:
Either I suppose. Both would just add to the complexity to the soup that makes up this topic. Though, the more complex, the better perhaps:P Thanks for the input though!

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Yeah, I guess I combine both of the influences socialgrafitti talks about.

posted September 03, 2015 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Astra:
My mom had me well after her saturn return (late 30s). Both Saturn and Pluto are dominant in my chart.

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Eh, I was born after Saturn return as well and I have both of those dominant. Being born after doesn't really prevent yout from having those influences. But those born before usually have those two planets aspecting the IC. Scorpio/Capricorn IC are common.