posted September 07, 2015 08:23 AM              

Your spirit is your meaning, and your intentions on how you are ABLE to produce life in and around you. There is no such thing as an "evil spirit" because all is energy and energy is made to produce and expand more energy (life) and give it balance.

An "evil spirit" as we know it, is a soul that has yet to identify itself with its purpose and its own productive force (consciousness). Its not evil, its simply stagnant.

A soul is simply an "experience". The very quality of what one goes through. Although everyone has the spirit, not everyone has the same soul because everyone is here to expand life in their own unique way. Our job is to produce life in one another, meaning, help other people find their way to connect with their truest self. Thats is the greatest Love. No love is greater than to give your life so others can understand how to connect with theirs. You can never lose when you do that, because life is infinite. And when you give your life, you aren't "losing it", but EXPANDING it. I hope you see where I'm going with this.

Saturn is said to be a planet of restriction, but for an odd reason no one likes to also mention that it is a planet of REWARDS. The greatest accomplishments are given through Saturn. Jupiter helps, but Saturn reaps.

If you have your Saturn in the 12th house, or if you have a 12th house stellium, then you may also know what its like to see and be in the presence of many different "souls", dead or alive. The 12th house is a house of collective experiences that are beyond your control, they are kind of "dumped" on you. While the 8th house does and acts on the abuse, the 12th house sees, observes and witnesses these things to purge it away.

Saturn in the 12th house is one of the "guardian angel" indicators. You think its bad.........but its not. With Saturn in the 12th you have a "force field" around you that protects you. You still have to witness and experience the unexpected negative vibes from other souls, but it guards you against succumbing to the pressure it brings IF YOU LET IT. You wanna know why? Because your soul has already experienced the WORST and you now have the special gift and talent of handling it like no other. Saturn in the 12th house is a blessing.

posted September 07, 2015 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Wrong. Saturn in 12th house is no Guardian Angel. Totally the opposite I might say. Saturn in 12th natal is VERY karmic. Usually these people are at the peak of their reincarnations and their soul is very old and very "burdened".

Jupiter in 12th house is the Guardian Angel.

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One of my friends has that along with cap rising and sun square pluto, he has suffered from bipolar his whole life and he does feel very burdened. He feels he doesn't belong in this world as well. He has saturn-uranus-venus in the 12th and neptune conjunct AC conjuncting his Venus.

Wow I have neptune conjunct AC and two of my friends that I feel the most connected too also have Neptune conjunct AC. Interesting...Kindred spirits.

posted September 07, 2015 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
There is one Spirit, yet many Souls.

Your spirit is your meaning, and your intentions on how you are ABLE to produce life in and around you. There is no such thing as an "evil spirit" because all is energy and energy is made to produce and expand more energy (life) and give it balance.

An "evil spirit" as we know it, is a soul that has yet to identify itself with its purpose and its own productive force (consciousness). Its not evil, its simply stagnant.

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posted September 07, 2015 03:49 PM              

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Wrong. Saturn in 12th house is no Guardian Angel. Totally the opposite I might say. Saturn in 12th natal is VERY karmic. Usually these people are at the peak of their reincarnations and their soul is very old and very "burdened".

Jupiter in 12th house is the Guardian Angel.

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So I'm wrong from speaking from real life experience?

posted September 07, 2015 04:13 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
I feel that, until a 12H Saturn person learns to engage with life in very spiritual terms...until we substantiate and make concrete all we glean about the multi-dimensional aspect of life...we will keep banging our heads against walls, trying to make things different than they are. Truth is, life is all spiritual. The challenge is to make our whole reality reflect our belief system. Which is hard, because there is nothing beyond the 12H...we are the pioneers, looking for leaders, but there are none, it's just the universe and us.

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posted September 07, 2015 04:23 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Beautiful writing in your OP. I wouldn't describe it quite the same way, but then, I don't experience life the same way. I have felt surrounded by spirits, mostly benevolent, all my life. Last summer I dealt with a disruptive entity and that rattled me to my foundation...I never expected to deal with that...I had somehow tried to make "evil spirits" non-existent through the force of my non-belief in them.

Now I believe in them. Now I watch poltergeists on YouTube with a fuller understanding of what those people are going through.

I'm glad for the expanded compassion that I now have...but the experience is something I never want to go through, ever again. Now I know I have to take precautions to block out that world.

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When I said there is no such thing as an evil spirit, i was saying that everything is meant to produce life and everything has meaning. The "evil spirits" we feel are Souls who may have been, or still is stagnant in their growth and ability to produce life.

posted September 07, 2015 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
When I said there is no such thing as an evil spirit, i was saying that everything is meant to produce life and everything has meaning. The "evil spirits" we feel are Souls who may have been, or still is stagnant in their growth and ability to produce life.

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Thanks for clarifying. Yes, I see evil as a state of being that souls going through, as part of a transformational process. Perhaps that process is longer for some souls than others, I have no idea. But I wanted to say, I believe that dark spirits that are in a state of unrest do wreak some havoc on people.

I also believe that I have the "force field" you mentioned , at least for the most part. Ironically Jupiter transiting in my 12H, conjunct my Saturn, coincided with the beginning of this episode of paranormal activity (which lasted about two months.)