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bananaz
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posted September 10, 2015 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So another thread about SRs had me curious, and I KNOW I shouldn't have looked ahead, but I did and now I'm a little freaked out.

What do you do when this happens to you? Especially for the more advanced astrologers who probably look ahead to test their predictions, etc.

In a few years, I have a SR, Progressions, SA, and transits (yes I checked them all bc I was so paranoid) and they all spell out divorce in a big blatant way. I'm currently happily married so this has me really freaked out.

I know someone will probably say "You have control over your fate, yadda, yadda"

I just want to know what you REALLY do when you see:

-potential family member deaths
-divorce transits
-basically anything hard or devastating

Especially when they all add up like mine do. I mean, you can tell yourself you might be reading it wrong when it's just one method. But ALL of them?

I know someone in here must've gone through this. Please help calm me down lol

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starmoon
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posted September 10, 2015 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starmoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you remind yourself that charts show possibilties and potential. that's all. it could potentially happen, it could possibly happen, it doesn't mean it will happen. astrology isn't a predictive science; if it was then several people on here would have already left for billionaire's island. you could, in your specific case, check your husband's chart... what do his transits say? do they match yours? you're a couple, so wouldn't you expect to see it reflected in his charts as well?

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bananaz
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posted September 10, 2015 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by starmoon:
you remind yourself that charts show possibilties and potential. that's all. it could potentially happen, it could possibly happen, it doesn't mean it will happen. astrology isn't a predictive science; if it was then several people on here would have already left for billionaire's island. you could, in your specific case, check your husband's chart... what do his transits say? do they match yours? you're a couple, so wouldn't you expect to see it reflected in his charts as well?

Yes, it shows in his charts as well. I forgot to mention that.

It's literally terrifying. Saturn, pluto in the 7th house on the SR. His moon squaring Venus.

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theunknown
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posted September 10, 2015 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not an astrologer per se but I read charts for finaid have no qualms about talking about astrology with strangers and ask for their birth time and place.

Any way, I often just tell them straight up what I think. I remind them that astrology shows tendency and not fate but at the same time most people don't have enough strength and free will any way.

Using vague languages helps lol, especially when I'm talking to a plutonian, there's a tendency to feel uncomfortable with someone prying into their business. I don't typically predict tho. I just suggest the person to watch out for issues of upcoming trabsit but I don't prescribe. When it comes to the past, I'm straight up because i think it already past plus I'm warring believer in Karma.

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bananaz
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posted September 10, 2015 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by theunknown:
I'm not an astrologer per se but I read charts for finaid have no qualms about talking about astrology with strangers and ask for their birth time and place.

Any way, I often just tell them straight up what I think. I remind them that astrology shows tendency and not fate but at the same time most people don't have enough strength and free will any way.

Using vague languages helps lol, especially when I'm talking to a plutonian, there's a tendency to feel uncomfortable with someone prying into their business. I don't typically predict tho. I just suggest the person to watch out for issues of upcoming trabsit but I don't prescribe. When it comes to the past, I'm straight up because i think it already past plus I'm warring believer in Karma.


Yes, but what do you do when you see it in your own charts? Don't you ever freak out?

Karma manifesting is a good way to look at things. Be good and do good, right? It's all you can ask of yourself.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted September 10, 2015 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand about looking ahead and getting worried, but this is something that I've outgrown over the years. Its my job to look at oncoming trends for clients, so I have to do it while remaining grounded and sensible.

If transits or progressions (or solar arcs) trigger such worry or fear, then that is where your growth comes -- by addressing the fear you carry with you and putting it behind you. Otherwise, you will always have it interfering with lucid interpretation of astrological material. Leave out predictive information until then.

Every astrological factor and every period of someone's life (whatever transits/prog they may have) is still playground for choice. These factors describe subtle energy dynamics that can be utilized. The astrological information there always frames up choice.

So I do my best to frame up choices. Some alerts to changes or challenges, yes. But if I were a layperson I would not waste my time with any astrologer that speaks in terms of implacable astrological influence and inevtabilities of events as if they were happening to the person without their involvement. Run from such astrologers.

Other than that, not seeing your chart here, I cannot comment further.

Just stick with learning from your birth chart and purge fear from your consciousness best you can. The person who carries a burden of fear cannot deal with changes. The person who has let go of fear can seem weak yet have incredible creative strength and responsiveness in the face of change. I'm not talking about losing the ability to feel fear, but purging it as an omnipresent reaction to change.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted September 10, 2015 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bananaz:
I just want to know what you REALLY do when you see:

-potential family member deaths
-divorce transits
-basically anything hard or devastating


1) I may not mention potential family member deaths, except to say the person may be going through significant changes in family relations and to pay attention to their mother/father/parents, depending on who may be indicated. I talk about transformation, drawing upon deeper strength, etc.

2) About divorce/relational stress indicators, I may ask how their relationship is going and listen. I listen for not only what they say, but tone of voice, etc. I then have allowed them to prep themselves for more information. I mention that transits/prog stressful to relationships don't necessarily break them. If they are on good footing and good communication is happening, then it represents a cooperative challenge they'll go through. The rest depends on the particulars involved.

3) I ask questions, listen, give additional information (astrological), explaining the way choices are set up (within the astrological factors), and give time frames for them to know when it began and will end.

Regarding Solar Return charts -- this is probably the most common basis for misconstruing, confusing, and over-estimating astrological impacts and trends. I don't even use SR charts. They are transit charts for a single day.

As to progressions, if a person doesn't know how to manage an aspectarian, which takes a bit of practice and attention to appropriate detail, they may also be 'borrowing trouble' that isn't actually there. Reading a progressed chart as if aspects have wide 1* orbs (or wider) is a classic formula for over-inclusion of often extraneous information. People don't realize how much anxious, fearful anticipation will magnetize you to a factor that may not even be active yet, or may never be.

Solar Arcs and Transits are just more places in which an anxious anticipation finds free range to focus on what seems dreadful, heavy, or foreboding.

As a professional astrologer it is not only my responsibility to focus in on what is actually relevant, but to put aside any and all fear in my consciousness so I can see clearly for the client.

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bananaz
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posted September 11, 2015 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

Every astrological factor and every period of someone's life (whatever transits/prog they may have) is still playground for [b]choice. These factors describe subtle energy dynamics that can be utilized. The astrological information there always frames up choice.

So I do my best to frame up choices. Some alerts to changes or challenges, yes. But if I were a layperson I would not waste my time with any astrologer that speaks in terms of implacable astrological influence and inevtabilities of events as if they were happening to the person without their involvement. Run from such astrologers.

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Thank you Kannon for taking the time to tell me your process on this. If you don't mind, I have another question for you. Over the years, have you ever seen where the energies are conspiring in a way that looks like a blatantly obvious outcome (like it does in my case) and then turn into something you didn't expect? I guess I'm wondering how much choice really does play into the larger picture as opposed to what fate has in store for us.

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Dancing Maenad
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posted September 11, 2015 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nothing, because:

1. It might be nothing near as bad

.. but..

2. I turn it into a prophecy by focusing too much on it;

3. It's probably a lesson I need to learn, however difficult, so why should I run from it?

4. I refuse to live in fear;

5. I know I can weather any storm, though I may crumble a bit in the process.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted September 11, 2015 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bananaz:
Thank you Kannon for taking the time to tell me your process on this. If you don't mind, I have another question for you. Over the years, have you ever seen where the energies are conspiring in a way that looks like a blatantly obvious outcome (like it does in my case) and then turn into something you didn't expect? I guess I'm wondering how much choice really does play into the larger picture as opposed to what fate has in store for us

Not to be semantical, but no, planetary energies don't conspire. But I understand that you mean build up during a particular time period to make something practically inevitable. Yes.

But turning into something I didn't expect? Yes, I know that has happened, but generally it still fits the astrological factors involved, just not in a way that was discussed or floated as a possibility. This is why I try to not over-specify, but talk in terms of the planetary principles involved and how their energies can play out. (Fast/slow, plodding/erratic, deep/surface-level, etc).

Generally if something entirely unexpected happens, Uranus is involved, often with multiple points/factors. This is why it is very important to use declinations so as not to overlook important Uranus transits/progressions that may be active or soon active. So my universal talk around Uranus is if a lot of Uranus by transit/progression is happening, the window of opportunity is great, but could mean unexpected things that are often very hard to predict. Be ready for change.

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bananaz
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posted September 13, 2015 01:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you both for responding.

I think the bigger issue, as you have both mentioned, is fear.

The better I get at predictive astrology, the more its accuracy becomes frightening.

Maybe I need to take a step back. Although I love studying astrology (and it's definitely fun to watch how the peaceful energies play out), I don't know if I can handle knowing when the bad moments in life will hit. Obsessing over what they mean and how they'll play out is not much fun

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wheresthemoon
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posted September 13, 2015 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheresthemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are my thoughts, without seeing the charts.

Everyone's first thought when they see malefic planets in the seventh house is divorce, or the breakup of a significant relationship. But you have to remember that the seventh house rules other areas of life as well. It is the house of "the other" and partnerships of all kinds.

This could simply mean that other people test you. They put you through the ringer. You might find yourself during getting rid of relationships and partnerships that are no longer of service to you, or finding yourself seeing with painful clarity the true motives of people you thought were "friends." Your husband having the same indicators in his progressions/SR could simply mean that you are going through this test together.

Example: When Uranus was on my descendant, I suffered abuse at the hands of a family member. For me this transit simply meant erratic behavior and sudden destruction at the hands of another person. I wasn't even old enough to have a significant other at the time.

But say it does pertain to your marriage. It doesn't have to mean divorce. Pluto is about death, but it is also about rebirth. If you are in a bad marriage, then yes, I think it most likely end this way. But if you are in a good marriage, which it sounds like you are, it could just mean that your marriage is refined in the fire. You may go through hardships together or be faced with a rough patch. You may face a crisis in your marriage that forces you to change behaviors that are destructive. In any case, I think whatever you are going to face during this time could make your marriage stronger in the long run.

I am going through a divorce right now, and I have tPluto square my natal Sun, and SR Pluto exactly on my MC. In a few years, tPluto AND tSaturn will be passing over my descendant, meanwhile pMars will be opposite natal Neptune. On the surface, THAT would probably be the more appropriate time for me to go through a divorce, but it's happening now. And I have no intention of getting remarried and divorced again in the next 4 years. I'm sure it will impact me somehow, but not the way a person would typically interpret such a transit.

And the others are right. Progressions, SR & transits show potential. Astrology can't predict EXACTLY what will happen. Only you can. The power is in your hands.

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posted September 13, 2015 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by starmoon:
you remind yourself that charts show possibilties and potential. that's all. it could potentially happen, it could possibly happen, it doesn't mean it will happen. astrology isn't a predictive science; if it was then several people on here would have already left for billionaire's island. you could, in your specific case, check your husband's chart... what do his transits say? do they match yours? you're a couple, so wouldn't you expect to see it reflected in his charts as well?

Agreed...plus you'd see it progressed composite and transits.

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posted September 13, 2015 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is no way to say with certainty that anything spells out a certain fate...there are so many possibilities for each progression. Perhaps you guys will have a struggle or maybe a job will force one of you to be away from the other instead of an actual break up. Maybe a family member gets sick and someone travels to be with them.

Transits, progressions, SR....show an energy that will be manifesting but it does give the situation that it will manifest.

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posted September 14, 2015 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSurvivor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bananaz, what does your intuition say? If you are happily married and worried about a future potential divorce, you need to look deeper as to why you would be shown this astrologically. The fact that you were shown can bring you to a deeper knowing of yourself and your relationship. It does not necessarily mean you will divorce at the time of your prophecy (prophecy is based only on the current moment in time and predictions are impossible, btw)
Instead of anticipating an event, take time to analyze why you were shown and that will help you know how to deal with the information.

I've seen relationship breakups, deaths, emotional crises in charts where these prophecies were fulfilled. I see these things now but I would not reveal this information, even if directly asked.

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