posted September 12, 2015 02:13 PM            

What do you think?

posted September 12, 2015 03:25 PM            

In fact, I've experienced something similar with a Moon opposite Pluto person who was emotionally manipulative. It was a terrible experience - a lot of mind games were played. Due to the trust issues from his past, this Pluto energy manifested for him quite negatively where he played mind games to test my commitment and devotion to him. The more this person runs or says things to put you off, the more they expect you to chase - it's all the dark side of Pluto, the evils of ego and insecurity. He was a very insecure guy, and I would bet money on it that this guy you're talking about was very insecure too!

He wanted you to chase him, even though he knew blowing you off hurt you. It's inconsiderate and selfish. With these kind of people, steer clear. You don't need someone to play head games with you or test you in any way. It makes for an unhealthy relationship.

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posted September 12, 2015 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I see he had a lot of Plutonian energy...on his Moon and his Venus, both which are biggies for how someone behaves in a romantic relationship. It's hard to say if all people with Plutonian hard aspects tend toward emotional manipulation. But Pluto certainly does have a dark side, especially when it hits off the Moon.

In fact, I've experienced something similar with a Moon opposite Pluto person who was emotionally manipulative. It was a terrible experience - a lot of mind games were played. Due to the trust issues from his past, this Pluto energy manifested for him quite negatively where he played mind games to test my commitment and devotion to him. The more this person runs or says things to put you off, the more they expect you to chase - it's all the dark side of Pluto, the evils of ego and insecurity. He was a very insecure guy, and I would bet money on it that this guy you're talking about was very insecure too!

He wanted you to chase him, even though he knew blowing you off hurt you. It's inconsiderate and selfish. With these kind of people, steer clear. You don't need someone to play head games with you or test you in any way. It makes for an unhealthy relationship.

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posted September 12, 2015 04:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Geocosmic* Valentine:
Mars conjunct Saturn is already very tough, but when it's in Scorpio it can suggest very brutal energies for him. It can be the ultimate in feeling stuck, it can also be the ultimate toughness in terms of building or butchering (literally) but having it in the 3rd house it could be brutal communication energies, the strongest of secrets (iron clad secret keeping) which it seems he's clearly communicated to you when he says he can't talk or text. He set that boundary very clearly. If he's doing this within the 1st month of your dating, it WILL NOT get better. I think you did the right thing walking away, there's probably an iceberg under that behavior.

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i agree with you. Besides Astrology, I trust my gut. And my gut told me something was not right and that I should walk away. I even talked to a friend of mine who's also an astrologer and he told me this guy had a pattern of a serial cheater in his chart. That he was about satisfying his egotistical sexual needs and not feeling any guilt for that. I could tell he really wanted to have the upper hand inside the relationship. I've seen some articles too talking about Moon in Cancer squaring Pluto as a possible indicator of deception in romantic relationships, called the Devouring mother/child archetype.

posted September 12, 2015 04:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Geocosmic* Valentine:
Kindly I say, why is it sketchy that he's an astrologer?

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posted September 12, 2015 07:01 PM            

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Originally posted by sunshinedragon:
I have moon square pluto, sun opposite pluto, scorpio rising and pluto in the 1st house

I would have to say I do a lot of testing to see whether someone is for real or not. I do emotionally manipulate, but I don't at all do it to hurt someone I care for. I do it more out of a personal fear that I am much too serious about it than they are, so I fear they don't feel the same way; therefore, I tend to manipulate. I want them to show me they want me, basically, and I have a hard time opening up about how I feel unless I know for sure they feel the same. It's something i'm learning to control, but I blame it on my Plutonian energy.

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posted September 12, 2015 08:10 PM            

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Originally posted by roseelima16:
I have Moon square Pluto too, but my Pluto is in Libra and it's the only hard aspect involving this planet. I don't play games.

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posted September 12, 2015 09:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Geminiyoungster:
Exactly what I was thinking, I'm pretty straight forward.. It's usually the people who start playing games with me and I cut them off..

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posted September 12, 2015 09:26 PM            

The style in which a toxic person might choose to behave - can be found in their placements... but not the toxicity itself.

I think this is a karmic soul-level thing, and it's also connected to the person's childhood environment and experiences.

posted September 12, 2015 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
There is a kind of negativity and toxicity in some, that can't be explained away by the natal chart alone.

The [b]style in which a toxic person might choose to behave - can be found in their placements... but not the toxicity itself.

I think this is a karmic soul-level thing, and it's also connected to the person's childhood environment and experiences.

For instance... twins could have almost identical charts, and one of them could go on to become a criminal while the other lives a regular and "average" life.
I can't think of a real life example of this, off the top of my head - but I'm positive, with a little research, you could find a bunch. [/B]

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posted September 14, 2015 02:10 AM            

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Originally posted by roseelima16:

Thank you so much for your reply! Yes, he was very Plutonian and I did notice he was very fearful of getting deeply emotionally involved with me. Also with the Venus-Pluto square, he had a need to give other women sexual vibes in order to validate himself. In his case, he had a particular attraction towards women that were synonymous of status, power and material stability since he had a debilitated Jupiter and also Venus in Capricorn. Now comes the sketchy part: this guy is a professional astrologer.

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posted September 14, 2015 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
Woah...that was a plot twist I wasn't quite expecting! Well, he certainly does seem like a guy who's heavily into the idea of obtaining power and status for himself. I just got that vibe. He's probably the classic Plutonian energy sucker that I like to call an emotional vampire...same as that guy I was with that I described to you...he likes those women because he wants the same energy for himself. He seems like a user! Be smart and continue to AVOID this dude at all costs.

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I think you are definitely right. I moved on. What he did turned me off completely. Trust is the basis for any relationship to work healthily. We didn't start like that. Probably he found someone that could offer him more so he started neglecting me. Thank God, it happened before I got more emotionally involved.

posted September 14, 2015 08:07 PM            

My pluto is second only to my moon in term of ruler of the chart (not even by 1% according to Astrodienst)
And yes, I am guilty of manipulating people.
WELL I like to call it misdirection more than manipulation.
I have an intuitive knowledge of feelings, body language and of people in general.
Moreover, I have control issues.
It's a bit like playing violin. All those feelings and information that you capt is like strings and it is up to you to take the bow and make it sing the way you want to.
The first few times you take the violin you don't know how it works, the strength you need and may end up producing awful screeching noise.
Or worst. You break your strings.
My "talent" made it so that I never had to produce screech before music. It came naturally. However, growing confident and ignoring the whole steps that others would need, I bowed my strings too harshly without ever realizing it... until they broke.

So yes, I was guilty of manipulating people, but I never realized that I could hurt them with it, because I told myself: they can always refuse if they feel uncomfortable.
What I ended up realizing is that I was able to make them feel such a way that they didn't feel like they had a choice.
Moreover, the way I explained things made them feel like it was perfectly logical and only once they'd do it would they feel awful and cheated.
One of my (once) friends exploded, saying that I was pretty awful of forcing them to agree, say or do things without them wanting to, and I didn't understand, I NEVER saw it like that, I NEVER thought I was hurting others and absolutely never meant to.
I simply said things the way I knew would work and cajoled them through it, to obtain what I wanted. I didn't know I was hurting them in the process.

Of course I changed afterwards, I still use it. I don't think it's a bad talent at all and it can come quite handy, but I am more respectful of others and their limits.
I don't use their feelings against them, nor do I blackmail them or force them into something they wouldn't normally do.
If they say no, I take it at face value and back off. I learnt it the hard way and I never meant to hurt others.
These days it's mostly to project the good image and composure to fit everywhere.
But I CAN understand just how alluring and easy it would be to become a manipulator through and through, without a care in the world.
It is easy and you feel powerful.

posted September 15, 2015 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Hello roseelima16! Welcome to LL

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posted September 15, 2015 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by RoseLily:
Just to add on what Sweet Scorpio said...
I have a heavy pluto influence in my chart:
In eight house and in Scorpio
In an exact yod with my sun at the apex
Conjunct North Node
Opposite Mars
Sextile a prominent air Moon
Trine singleton Venus (fire)

My pluto is second only to my moon in term of ruler of the chart (not even by 1% according to Astrodienst)
And yes, I am guilty of manipulating people.
WELL I like to call it misdirection more than manipulation.
I have an intuitive knowledge of feelings, body language and of people in general.
Moreover, I have control issues.
It's a bit like playing violin. All those feelings and information that you capt is like strings and it is up to you to take the bow and make it sing the way you want to.
The first few times you take the violin you don't know how it works, the strength you need and may end up producing awful screeching noise.
Or worst. You break your strings.
My "talent" made it so that I never had to produce screech before music. It came naturally. However, growing confident and ignoring the whole steps that others would need, I bowed my strings too harshly without ever realizing it... until they broke.

So yes, I was guilty of manipulating people, but I never realized that I could hurt them with it, because I told myself: they can always refuse if they feel uncomfortable.
What I ended up realizing is that I was able to make them feel such a way that they didn't feel like they had a choice.
Moreover, the way I explained things made them feel like it was perfectly logical and only once they'd do it would they feel awful and cheated.
One of my (once) friends exploded, saying that I was pretty awful of forcing them to agree, say or do things without them wanting to, and I didn't understand, I NEVER saw it like that, I NEVER thought I was hurting others and absolutely never meant to.
I simply said things the way I knew would work and cajoled them through it, to obtain what I wanted. I didn't know I was hurting them in the process.

Of course I changed afterwards, I still use it. I don't think it's a bad talent at all and it can come quite handy, but I am more respectful of others and their limits.
I don't use their feelings against them, nor do I blackmail them or force them into something they wouldn't normally do.
If they say no, I take it at face value and back off. I learnt it the hard way and I never meant to hurt others.
These days it's mostly to project the good image and composure to fit everywhere.
But I CAN understand just how alluring and easy it would be to become a manipulator through and through, without a care in the world.
It is easy and you feel powerful.

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posted September 15, 2015 04:27 PM            

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Originally posted by roseelima16:
Yes, I understand what you mean. This guy has Pluto in Scorpio (early degrees), and a Mars-Saturn conjunction in the middle degrees of the sign. I just could feel it he felt emotionally insecure towards me and was playing games. It's like he wanted me to chase him, testing how much I wanted him. I think he still doesn't understand that adult love relationships are about mutuality not co-dependency. Many times, I called or texted him and I saw he had saw it, that he was available, online publishing stuff in social media and he wouldn't say a word or even return. So rude. 2 weeks before I broke up he disappeared, turned off his phone and I only texted him once. Then he suddenly reappeared as if nothing had happened expecting for me to be waiting with open arms. Just childish, honestly. He was a manipulator, no doubt but it didn't work out with me so he probably is looking for someone else to exercise his control over.

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posted September 15, 2015 07:06 PM            

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Originally posted by magpie:
Check out where his Nessus is. Does it make any major aspects?

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posted September 15, 2015 07:12 PM            

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Originally posted by RoseLily:
This co-dependency can come when Pluto makes aspect to the moon and/or venus...
Simply curious however, does his uranus makes any aspect to his venus?
It can create inconsistencies and erratic affections.

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posted September 17, 2015 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Geocosmic* Valentine:
Kindly I say, why is it sketchy that he's an astrologer?

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