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Topic: Mercury / Pluto
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hannaramaa
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posted September 16, 2015 08:09 PM
  
For anyone who has this or is close w someone who does - do the things you say elicit strong reactions from others? People completely support your ideas or are they disgusted / hate them?IP: Logged |
florence
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posted September 16, 2015 08:15 PM
In general I work at making neutral statements or saying things indirectly but maybe that is because now I think of it..Whenever I'm very passionate about something that's when I'll experience strong opposition or, strong agreement. Mercury, aries, 5th opp pluto, libra, 11th IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted September 16, 2015 09:03 PM
Do you say things (doesn't have to be when you're angry or during an argument) to get a reaction from people or is most of what you say genuine? Basically, are you a fan of playing devil's advocate until the other person is angry, or not?IP: Logged |
VestasLight
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posted September 16, 2015 09:22 PM
I have merc/pluto in the 3rd (ruled by Virgo).While I have always found I am a powerful speaker and can certainly get people riled up if I want to. I don't like to. In no way do I like to play devil's advocate. If you know someone who is like that, it isn't the Merc/Pluto alone that is doing it. Something else is hitting it, possibly in square. I have sun/merc/pluto conjuct. This sits in a grand trine with Saturn and my moon. So personal power is a big thing for me. But in no way do I "play" with people. I prefer to help them become empowered. Are you asking for yourself or about someone else? IP: Logged |
lightbones
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posted September 16, 2015 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Do you say things (doesn't have to be when you're angry or during an argument) to get a reaction from people or is most of what you say genuine? Basically, are you a fan of playing devil's advocate until the other person is angry, or not?
I do this sometimes and I have Mercury in Leo (12th house) square Pluto in Scorpio (3rd house). It's not really to make anyone angry, though it does seem to end up that way. It's more to see how much they really believe what they're saying. Or if I think someone's being closed-minded about something or just isn't thinking rationally, I'll do it to try to get them to think about it in a different way. It definitely is always genuine. I wouldn't say a word if I didn't care or wasn't interested in what that person had to say, and I don't say anything just to get a reaction from someone.
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teasel
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posted September 16, 2015 09:26 PM
I've found that I have since Pluto has been transiting my 3rd house. It will also square my Mercury at some point. Probably in time for the holidays, just to make them extra special.  IP: Logged |
florence
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posted September 16, 2015 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Do you say things (doesn't have to be when you're angry or during an argument) to get a reaction from people or is most of what you say genuine? Basically, are you a fan of playing devil's advocate until the other person is angry, or not?
I have Devils advocate type thoughts a lot but think if I speak these it's to find the truth or to find a positive in a negative situation. However, I like to do that flirtatiously because somehow when I feel emotionally vulnerable, it's a way I can handle heavy emotions in a lighter way and regain a sense of self-control. My Mercury is conjunct eris and I do feel when under stress I can hand over the reigns to her. Or, this is something I've read about this aspect too, I occasionally like to say something that shouldn't be said. The thing is I hate stirring up responses but I find it liberating especially when people are tip-toeing around something unsaid, when there's fear in the air .. Sometimes I can't help it but feel that rush of facade falling to the floor and it doesn't feel negative, I feel it clears the air and brings relief. I dont like anger much from others unless I feel they haven't played fair ... If I get to the stage where I want to rile others up, I'm already probably burned out my badly aspected Mars to do anything that effective.y IP: Logged |
12muddy
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posted September 16, 2015 10:59 PM
My s.o has mercury conj pluto in scorp. 10th house. Yes, people often react strongly to the things he says. Which is why he chooses his words carefully and strategically. Oh he loves playing devil's advocate. To him, it's mental exercise and fun. He's a libra sun though, so that explains some. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted September 16, 2015 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by VestasLight:
I have merc/pluto in the 3rd (ruled by Virgo).While I have always found I am a powerful speaker and can certainly get people riled up if I want to. I don't like to. In no way do I like to play devil's advocate. If you know someone who is like that, it isn't the Merc/Pluto alone that is doing it. Something else is hitting it, possibly in square. I have sun/merc/pluto conjuct. This sits in a grand trine with Saturn and my moon. So personal power is a big thing for me. But in no way do I "play" with people. I prefer to help them become empowered. Are you asking for yourself or about someone else?
About someone else. My Taurus friend. She won't / doesn't see her provocative stances and reasoning when playing DA as offensive but at times it can be. I can't remember her aspects very well, but if it's not Mercury / Pluto that causes this it could be her Mars in Aquarius or Mercury in Gemini. IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted September 16, 2015 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
For anyone who has this or is close w someone who does - do the things you say elicit strong reactions from others? People completely support your ideas or are they disgusted / hate them?
I have the square. But I also have plutonium 7th and the square to the sun. i know some people with this aspect. We just know words can hurt and we can use it to our power IP: Logged |
stillatlarge
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posted September 17, 2015 12:39 AM
I have Merc conjunct Pluto in Virgo. I have it and I can see details and the undertones that most people can't and I attribute it to that but I can state things forcefully and put people off. I don't know that it's attributable to that though.IP: Logged |
Gemini Blues
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posted September 17, 2015 12:45 AM
I have the square though it's a bit wide. Merc Gem/8th Pluto Vir/11thI think sometimes I'm surprised by how people sometimes react to things I say. I generally do try to be careful with my words, but thought that was just what Gemini do... IP: Logged |
bansheequeen
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posted September 17, 2015 01:21 AM
I have a square. I feel like sometimes people just dont get the message, but other times people pick up on it kind of intuitively when what I said doesnt even make sense.Also I think mercury-pluto gives someone an investigative mind. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted September 17, 2015 01:27 AM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
For anyone who has this or is close w someone who does - do the things you say elicit strong reactions from others? People completely support your ideas or are they disgusted / hate them?
Yes, and I have to be careful at times. Even as a child I was allowed to read and write as long as I didn't participate in class discussion, and given how many teachers did this I'm guessing they must've talked about me in the Teachers Lounge (though when I went to another school hundreds of miles away some of them quickly adopted a similar policy). From time to time I'd forget and ask something, genuinely curious, and I recall more than one teacher cringing when my hand went up.  But some loved me. A Texas History teacher found me a delight to have, and another teacher (not at a school I went to) said she'd have given me a 110 for an essay that I'd got an F for along with in school suspension because even though it had gone against the instructions it showed I'd not only demonstrated the knowledge they were hoping for but that I THOUGHT about what it meant and looked into tangential facts as well (and it was highly entertaining to her, something she'd appreciate after reading several "ordinary" essays and stories). When I'm not careful I tend to get strong reactions. I can relate to the phrase, "Love me or hate me, it's still an obsession." I wonder if my Venus & Saturn being between my 3H sun, mercury, and Pluto have something to do with that. I'm careful but I'm still mystified why some of it elicits such powerful emotions in people, both good and bad (and sometimes a bit of both) because it seems so trivial to me. (Just remembered, when I was 17-18 on a message board for witches, typically Wiccan, I hadn't been on for long when someone in her 50s wanted to become my apprentice! I was gobsmacked by that.) Though that said I've wondered if my Neptune in another (sextile) stellium create phantasms in the minds of others so that they see either their dreams or their nightmares. Some see me as a kindred spirit and are surprised by my other facets while others can believe the most outrageous things for the most trivial (and silly) reasons, even if I don't speak to them at all (this reached a new level of surrealism during my Saturn return which also squared Pluto at the time, and I believe Jupiter was aligned with Neptune at the time as well, in Aquarius which might help why the scaremongering that time was that I was a computer hacker getting the kids to hack their home computers, it really is amazing how some neighbors came to believe that but at least it gave a computer security consultant friend of mine back then a good laugh). I can play devil's advocate, but that's more of a game, and the goal of the game isn't to rile people up, it's to explore the concept. It's hard to explain the joy in this because a lot of people don't seem to get the same joy in learning and exploring (and challenging) ideas that I do, and perhaps it's just a Libra trait (which is where my Mercury and Pluto are). But I can't say it's not genuine as it often is, or at least an interesting and valid perspective (my attitude there is often hard for people to understand as well), and where it gets especially fun for me is where I convince myself of the validity of this new perspective (which is rare, but it happens, though it's usually temporary). Getting angry ends the game and is not the point. I have played with a few people but I think that's my Sag energy rather than Libra. Even then it's the look of surprise or gullibility that cracks me up, not anger. Once it was fear but I still think the gullibility and sheer silliness is what I found funny. Today it's known as "punking" someone, and it was more of a prank...and I used to be into pranks as well. I did that a lot more as a kid than as an adult, though once in a blue moon I can still do so. I usually restrain myself (Libra on the Scorpio cusp stellium usually reins in my Sag stellium), however, though sometimes the temptation is so strong. (My Sag father is the same way but he doesn't try to restrain himself. I usually laugh with him. And I'll let my own Sag side out to play when it comes to him and with others if I think they can handle it.) IP: Logged |
charlie
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posted September 17, 2015 06:15 AM
Cancer Merc sq Libra Pluto here. My problem is not so much that I set people off with what I say; I'm generally diplomatic, but more a problem of when people are not being honest and straightforward. I just know when they are not! It makes it worse when they blatantly lie themselves blue to my face. What ensues is that my investigative mind (Pluto/Merc) takes a stranglehold of situation and won't give up until truth is out. I know Pluto can cause some paranoia but my instinct have been proven 100% correct thus far. I know there are more people like this on here  IP: Logged |
CosmiqPhuz
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posted September 17, 2015 04:13 PM
Mercury conjunct Pluto in Scorpio, 6th house. I think I have the capability to help people profoundly with realizations through conversation. I can figure out someone's weak/sensitive spot pretty quickly. Could be a bad thing if I don't like you though. IP: Logged |
Kibriana
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posted September 17, 2015 05:44 PM
Mercuy,11th opp. Pluto 5th here. I haven't really noticed people reacting strongly to my ideas or thoughts or the things that I'm saying. In fact, the older I get, the more I tend to keep my thoughts to myself and try not to stir any trouble. Not that I've ever liked doing that in the first place. Manipulating and playing a Devil's advocate is also not my thing. This combo makes me really good at reading people and I used to try to help my family and friends by giving them my insights into their personality and insecurities, but I soon realized that most people don't want to hear about that and do something to improve themselves. So I stopped and switched my attention to digging into and improving myself. That's why I keep quiet and abstain myself from making any statements and comments. If someone wants to act like an idiot, that person might as well do it, as far as I'm concerned. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted September 18, 2015 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by Kibriana:
Mercuy,11th opp. Pluto 5th here. I haven't really noticed people reacting strongly to my ideas or thoughts or the things that I'm saying. In fact, the older I get, the more I tend to keep my thoughts to myself and try not to stir any trouble. Not that I've ever liked doing that in the first place. Manipulating and playing a Devil's advocate is also not my thing. This combo makes me really good at reading people and I used to try to help my family and friends by giving them my insights into their personality and insecurities, but I soon realized that most people don't want to hear about that and do something to improve themselves. So I stopped and switched my attention to digging into and improving myself. That's why I keep quiet and abstain myself from making any statements and comments. If someone wants to act like an idiot, that person might as well do it, as far as I'm concerned.
Great philosophy. You would be surprised (maybe not) at how many people cannot stop themselves from interjecting their opinion on deaf ears. I think it's an ego thing. Interesting how you turned that inward and used it to improve yourself and change your own way of thinking. IP: Logged |
nove731
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posted September 19, 2015 11:32 AM
I have the opposition (Mercury Taurus/Pluto Scorpio). I'm not sure if I actually elicit strong reactions from other people, but often feel like people harp on things that I say much more frequently than they do others. It makes me feel strongly that if I can't vigorously defend something that I'm saying then I should just keep my mouth shut. If I have a point to get across, I find that silence is usually my best bet.I do enjoy playing DA, but I agree with PixieJane - making someone angry isn't the point: quote:
Originally posted by PixieJane:
I can play devil's advocate, but that's more of a game, and the goal of the game isn't to rile people up, it's to explore the concept. It's hard to explain the joy in this because a lot of people don't seem to get the same joy in learning and exploring (and challenging) ideas that I do, and perhaps it's just a Libra trait (which is where my Mercury and Pluto are). But I can't say it's not genuine as it often is, or at least an interesting and valid perspective (my attitude there is often hard for people to understand as well), and where it gets especially fun for me is where I convince myself of the validity of this new perspective (which is rare, but it happens, though it's usually temporary). Getting angry ends the game and is not the point.
I don't have any planets in Libra (although my Sun is in the 7th), so I'm not sure it's necessarily a Libra influence for me. Maybe Sag, though (Moon in Sag, Jupiter conjunct MC). ------------------
Sun -> Aries
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yungang_grotto
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posted September 19, 2015 01:31 PM
I have the conjunction in Scorpio in the 1st house. I can be a very persuasive speaker and writer, though sometimes I'm too lazy to clarify my thoughts (moon/Neptune conjunct in the 3rd). I don't play devil's advocate although at times in personal confrontations (with lovers especially) I do say things just to get a rise/to hurt them/myself. That's the Scorpio I guess. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted September 19, 2015 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by nove731:
I don't have any planets in Libra (although my Sun is in the 7th), so I'm not sure it's necessarily a Libra influence for me. Maybe Sag, though (Moon in Sag, Jupiter conjunct MC).
Could be. One role of Sag is the philosopher. I think in the younger years Sag also loves to explore distant mental (as in philosophical which includes elements of culture, ethics, religion, etc) horizons as well as geographical ones, but it sounds as if this becomes less appealing as they get older. IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted September 20, 2015 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
I have the square though it's a bit wide. Merc Gem/8th Pluto Vir/11thI think sometimes I'm surprised by how people sometimes react to things I say. I generally do try to be careful with my words, but thought that was just what Gemini do...
I have also mercury gemini-pluto virgo in 5th and mercury in 2nd. and get same reaction. but uranus is also in the combo...
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wintersun
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posted September 20, 2015 04:28 AM
Well,I have Mercury in Taurus(9th house)opposed to Pluto in Sag(3rd house),and I can say,I have a good memory.I usually say that my "adventure side" is intelectual ,as long as I like to search about many subjects,and when I really like it,when I got me interested about something,I go deeply.My kind of thinking's rational and concrete,and I like to learn slowly.I don't show my opinions to everybody,only to my close friends,mainly cause I got some polemic opinions about many subjects. I like deep talkings,nothing superficial,sometimes speaking really fast although I'm slow  IP: Logged |
Kibriana
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posted September 20, 2015 04:59 AM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Great philosophy. You would be surprised (maybe not) at how many people cannot stop themselves from interjecting their opinion on deaf ears. I think it's an ego thing. Interesting how you turned that inward and used it to improve yourself and change your own way of thinking.
I noticed that, while I was wasting energy helping people who never needed my help in the first place, I completely forgot to change the problems in my own life. Ok, not really forget - it was a way to sweep them under the rug, ostrich style. Pluto is all about transformation, but that has to start with ourselves before we can become empowered enough to actually bring change in other people's life just by being the example of how it should be done, not by shoving our egos down other people's throats, which is what happens when Pluto gets nasty. IP: Logged |
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