posted September 21, 2015 01:04 PM            

So, I was wondering, if Venus conjunct Pluto natally could give someone a Scorpionic vibe in love even if the Venus is in Libra? How does the effect of this conjunction play out with Venus in Libra? What would this person be like in love?

posted September 23, 2015 01:52 PM            

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Hello Elysia! Welcome to LL

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posted September 24, 2015 12:39 AM            

My Venus is in Gemini and conjuncts my Sun 1°, which also lightens it up a little. However, that Venus-Sun conjunction squares Pluto tightly, and I'd say it absolutely changes it from the typical "light" Gemini expression.

The original Gemini expression is still there. I'm still attracted to Venus in Gem things. For example, hands... I love great hands. Since guys with Mars in Gemini are known for having great hands, I'll notice that and, yes, it's very attractive. So, the Gem Venus works the way you'd expect it to in that regard.

The difference is that the tight square to Pluto makes intensity a requirement. I absolutely am NOT interested unless I can feel it in my blood and in my bones. The love has to stir the depths of my soul or my heart won't respond.

posted October 07, 2015 03:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
I don't have the conjunction, but I have the square.

My Venus is in Gemini and conjuncts my Sun 1°, which also lightens it up a little. However, that Venus-Sun conjunction squares Pluto tightly, and I'd say it absolutely changes it from the typical "light" Gemini expression.

The original Gemini expression is still there. I'm still attracted to Venus in Gem things. For example, hands... I love great hands. Since guys with Mars in Gemini are known for having great hands, I'll notice that and, yes, it's very attractive. So, the Gem Venus works the way you'd expect it to in that regard.

The difference is that the tight square to Pluto makes intensity a [b]requirement. I absolutely am NOT interested unless I can feel it in my blood and in my bones. The love has to stir the depths of my soul or my heart won't respond.

By comparison, my husband has a 0° Sun-Venus conjunction in Scorpio with his Mars in Scorpio also conjunct them just a few degrees away. However, his Scorpio Sun-Venus-Mars conjunction doesn't aspect his Pluto at all. So, even though his Sun-Venus conjunction is in Scorpio, he still doesn't act as Plutonic as me when it comes to intensity. My Sun-Venus conjunction is in light and airy Gemini, but since they square Pluto tightly, they don't act very light and airy, but instead are extremely intense.[/B]

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posted October 07, 2015 06:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Wow, that explains it nicely. So, with this reasoning, the Venus in Libra would still be attracted to the artsy, socially graceful people - *but* the intensity is amped up.! And what's your take on the possessiveness side of things? Does it make you a shade more so than usual airy Venus Gems?

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I think the Libra Venus will still have the wiring of a Libra Venus. That love of Libra things will still be there. My Gem Venus still loves an intelligent quicksilver mind and a quick, sharp wit, among other Gemini traits. The Pluto aspect to it makes me like those things with an "edge". Like I don't just like a quick, sharp wit, I like an edgy, sorta smartass, sarcastic wit. I can laugh at gallows humor, etc. So, the Pluto modifies the Venus in that way, and yes, it makes intensity ridiculously sexy.

It does make me more possessive, yes. What's mine is mine or I don't want it. I don't act possessive, though. I've learned to control that, but I still feel it inside and have to "actively" control it sometimes. One way this has modified my Gem Venus is that I take flirting more seriously. To me, you're expressing a thought when you flirt. You're expressing the thought that you want someone. You're expressing your desire for them on some level.

posted October 07, 2015 06:05 PM            

One, I'm not insecure as some might think in love, though this might be because of my Sag stellium. As hard as I know it is for some to think, I don't get jealous because it's my instinct to trust once I've vetted someone to my satisfaction (note, I don't test UNLESS I start to have rare doubts about a person, normally I can feel them out as I watch them with other people). It might be my Pluto, or my Sag stellium, that doesn't count a relationship until after I trust someone that much...casual dating and the like doesn't cut it, those aren't "real" to me, but rather playing around.

The one and only partner I vetted who I have completely frozen out did cheat on me. Given that she had an Aries (opposite her Pluto, including Venus, btw) and Sag stellium I thought maybe she couldn't do monogamy and made offers of us going polyamorous (but still needing rules within this framework), but that just made her mad and she made a big deal about monogamy and how it would never happen again. After awhile, I trusted her again (though I had to resolve to do so) and once I did she started cheating on me again. At that point I still didn't feel jealous, just disgusted, and I ultimately froze her out that's common to Scorpio (but also Leo, I have a Leo ASC), and as for those she cheated on me with I felt very little, just either vague disgust (if they knew about me) or sympathy (if she'd lied to them as well). The crime wasn't the being with other people, however, it was the lying, as well as the gall of her hypocrisy (this may also be the Saturn in my Libra stellium).

(Not that everyone I freeze out has offended me, sometimes I just acknowledge we're not compatible for each other--and might even be for their protection knowing they can't handle me--and it's not meant to be personal at all, though of course some do take it personal.)

I'm loyal in my own way, and I protect secrets. I don't read through their emails or letters (not without a very compelling reason, of which I can count on one hand). I compromise, but I don't become a carpet, nor treat the other like a carpet to walk all over (this could be Pluto intensifying my Libra stellium wanting to be "intensely fair").

I remember all my other exes (2 men, 2 women) fondly, and remain good friends with one (the rest moved, or I did) which my current ex has learned to allow. I also have interests outside a partner which may either be my Sag (my Sag moon needs to express itself artistically with others so that takes up time as well, and I'm athletic getting antsy when I'm prevented from that), and perhaps it's that my Libra is 3H in which why other types of love are important to me. I need to be in relationships, but not necessarily romantic ones. I consider my actual "soul mate" to be my BFF than any of my lovers (btw, funny fact, we're both the "shadows" in each other's dreams ). I lack the "total control/surrender" extremes that Scorpio can go to (but then maybe my Libra instinctively seeks more of a balance and my Sag helps me lighten up and not be have the fears of a Scorpio).

Then again, my being raised more on scifi/fantasy (which often feature important female characters and interpersonal dynamics in a very different light than romances and other media aimed at girls) has probably trained my brain to think a bit differently about these things.

posted October 09, 2015 07:35 AM            

I have a Venus conjuct pluto in Scorpio. In the beginning it was horrible. A lot.of my relationship ran extremely hot to extremely cold with so much bs in between. It hard to read ppl b/c things change you just gotta trust your gut and take a chance.

posted October 11, 2015 12:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
To me, you're expressing a thought when you flirt. You're expressing the thought that you want someone. You're expressing your desire for them on some level.

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Precisely! Unfortunately, I use this reasoning for when people say something they regret and later say they 'didn't mean it' - on some level, they must have meant it coz the thought originated somewhere in their mind. I digress, though..thanks for explaining ! I've a better understanding of how this works now.

posted October 11, 2015 12:21 PM            

I have a libra Venus, conjunct Pluto(not even tightly conjunct) and I'm so Plutonian in love!!
If someone flirts with me when I'm in love it makes me mad, it's insulting to the person I love!!
I'm not into testing my partner like a scorpio but I do want to protect them from the rest of the world.
Pluto, unlike scorpio(IMO)is focused on sending it's energy out to the world to change the world not necessarily wanting to focus it's energy on a person or a relationship. But Pluto will protect itself when necessary in the relationship....so at those times I will act like a scorpio against my partner but that's out if I feel they are working against my greater good.

posted October 11, 2015 12:26 PM            

I think your Sag setllium played a part in you being open to the whole polyamourous thing.. And you managed to forgive someone who cheated on you, kudos! Not only that, you tried to see their point of view (may not be comfortable with monogamy) and tried to accomodate it - that might probably also be your *fairness intensified*.

Soltze, StillTippin,

posted October 11, 2015 12:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:

I think your Sag setllium played a part in you being open to the whole polyamourous thing.. And you managed to forgive someone who cheated on you, kudos! Not only that, you tried to see their point of view (may not be comfortable with monogamy) and tried to accomodate it - that might probably also be your *fairness intensified*.

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posted October 11, 2015 12:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:

But in a relationship the way you love a person will be fierce and protective, it's a higher calling! Lol

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posted October 11, 2015 12:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
The sagg stellium, is that me?

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posted October 11, 2015 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
The sagg stellium, is that me?

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posted October 11, 2015 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Oh boy! You too? Meesa was talking 'bout PixieJane.

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posted October 11, 2015 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Which ones you got in Sag, btw?

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Saggy Sun/Merc/Nep

PixieJane has sagg and libra Stellium to? Cool

posted October 11, 2015 01:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Lol, yes I'm a saggy stellium to!
But no polyamourous for me! I'd fall out of love with the guy and end up hating everyone involved if I tried to stay involved.
I wouldn't forgive a cheater!!
I had LD relationship and he kissed another girl the day we broke up, we had not physically met/seen each other at that time.
We made up and I went to visit him and that's when I found out that he'd kissed that girl. I cut him off and no matter how hard he tries he can't get me back! He never will either, I don't, can't, won't ever trust him again!

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posted October 11, 2015 01:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Saggy Sun/Merc/Nep

PixieJane has sagg and libra Stellium to? Cool

I have libra Venus/Pluto/AC along with my saggy stellium...
The AC isn't included in a stellium so it's not technically a stellium.

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