posted October 05, 2015 04:06 PM            

I'm writing this to help my aunt. On the night of the Blood Moon Eclipse, a woman whom she works with 19 year old son tried to kill himself. The family had no indication anything like this might happen, I don't believe he had been showing or expressing signs of depression or anything. It has really shook and caught the family off guard.

As well, it is a bit of a miracle that he lived, the circumstances surrounding what happened indicate that he probably shouldn't have lived by logical standards. Someone in the family was able to access the police report and even the police are astounded and don't understand the events surrounding it all. Unfortunately I do not know all the details so I apologize if I sound vague, and of what I do know I'm not sure it it is too sensitive to disclose. But the whole ordeal feels like divine intervention to everyone, I couldn't stop getting goosebumps while my aunt was telling me about it, I'm getting goosebumps writing about it and I don't know the people at all.

He's currently committed and the family can't get him out until Friday which is very unfortunate. Apparently when he wakes up he starts sobbing and they immediately sedate him and will not let him work through the emotions even though he is not being hysterical or violent. They have also put him on anti-psychotics against the wishes of all.

The mother is very confused and shook by all this and is searching for answers. My aunt asked me for help in looking at his chart to see where this out-of-the-blue suicide attempt may have been triggered, especially as it happened on the eclipse. This eclipse was very big for my aunt, she had never really noticed them much before. I'm very novice at reading charts and was hoping for the help of the forum. I instantly noticed his Sun/Mars conjunction with transiting Neptune conjunct, as well as the Saturn in Pisces and transiting Saturn about to conjunct his Pluto.

I'm hoping to pass the info on to the mother of the son of the chart and she basically knows nothing about astrology so good explanations for the reasons would be really helpful to her because she won't understand astrological lingo.

The time of birth is approximate but close. Thanks in advance and if there are any asteroid or other chart requests I will post those as soon as I can.

I don't have the opportunity to stay on the computer for long periods but will check back as often as possible!

posted October 05, 2015 04:53 PM            

Maybe it's mercury Rx but I am not exactly sure that I could tell the mom the reasons why this happened in a language that would be appropriate especially if she knows nothing about astrology.

If I were to tell her that her son's sun is in the 8th house of death and that is is conjunct Mars a malefic, and that transiting Jupiter opposing her sun/Mars at the time of the full blood moon may have triggered the unhealthy desire to do violence to himself, would she understand that? If I were to tell her that Transiting Neptune in her son's 8th house and conjunct his Sun/Mars aspect is making the idea of death alluring to him, would she understand that?

Would she understand that the South Node is entering her son's 8th house and may be adding to the sense of loss?

This is what I see as an astrologer. As for as explaining this to his mom, without speaking to the son to find out more about what's going on with him, (even the manner in which he tried to kill himself. Was it by hanging?)I would have difficulties putting all this in a language that a layperson who knows nothing about astrology could understand. Maybe others can do it better than me. I will be watching this thread.

posted October 05, 2015 05:23 PM            

-Could be due to substance abuse. Neptune transiting the 8th house.

-The son could be gay and experiencing difficulties coming to term with his sexual orientation. Natal Mars in 8th. Natal Uranus on descendant. Natal Asteroid Ganymed opposite Sun/Mars conjunction.

posted October 05, 2015 07:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I'm really sorry to hear this! I'm glad he's ok ❤️

Can you do a comp with the boy and the eclipse?

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Thanks Gabby

posted October 05, 2015 07:27 PM            

Thanks for your insights so far, very interesting! The 8th House to boot, of course. Did not spot that transiting Jupiter opposition to it.

No I don't think the mom will understand all of it, but from what my aunt said she is looking for some answers outside of convention because she is very confused and not finding the answers she's seeking. Although she doesn't know about astrology I am under the impression she is open to it all, it's just not something that has crossed her path much. I do think they are doing all the regular therapy and stuff but right now they are very unhappy with the hospitals/doctors. I am also under the impression that the boy is very confused as well about what he is feeling etc. I know from my experience astrology has taught me more about myself than any psychology or therapy has and maybe this can open a new avenue for him to understand more about himself and what he is feeling/going through.

He did try to kill himself by hanging, he apparently drove out into the wilderness/forest, climbed a large tree and jumped but I believe the rope was too long and he hit the ground instead. I am very curious what other difficulties you see coming up transit wise and how they may affect him.

posted October 05, 2015 07:54 PM            

Looking at this chart it's plain to see how easily it could go wrong. Chiron on the IC suggests pain at home.

This boy has too many Neptune/Pisces afflictions and bad transits at once. It looks like overwhelming pain and confusion. It would take a long post with a mini astrology lesson included to be presentation-ready for this mother, and I agree with Belage, that it probably isn't the right time. ETA: Oh I just saw your post, deepseablues. Nevermind ~ whatever you think is best.

I think the progressed chart might be more revealing. But I think any observant astrologer would pick out the most glaring red flags:

Tr Neptune conjunct 8H Pisces sun (chart ruler) and Mars
Tr Mars square Pluto
Tr Jupiter opposing sun-Mars
Tr Pluto conjunct Jupiter
Tr Uranus conjunct Venus-SN, trine tr Venus

Some additional natal features, that may have been factors:
12H Lilith square nodal axis
Unaspected Pisces Saturn
Gemini moon square Mars

He also has plenty of good aspects including Mercury trine moon, to enable him to get back on his feet...though I don't know much about suicide and don't want to appear overly optimistic or pessimistic. We can only hope for his health to improve.

posted October 05, 2015 08:03 PM            

The upcoming transits don't look too good, I am sorry. He will be having Transit Jupiter, Mars and Venus in Virgo squaring his Gemini moon. Transit Mars and Venus in Virgo opposing his Sun and Mars then his Saturn which will be a biggie. We also have Transit Saturn in Sagg inching slowly to an opposition to his moon and to a square of his Mars and Sun, then to his Saturn later. Ouch. Transit Chiron is travelling through his 8th house and will also hit his Saturn at some point.

So he is going to need a lot of support in the coming years. It is important to pinpoint why he tried to take his life. Engage him in honest and non judgemental convo. WHen people say they are totally surprised a loved one tried to commit suicide, it means the lines of communications were shut off at some point.

If this young man is gay or bi or transgender, please make sure the people around him refrain from judging him or make his life miserable.

If he has an addiction issues, he will need to get help for that and he will need to get serious about kicking it. Saturn coming to a square of his 8th house planets might actually help sobering him up.

posted October 05, 2015 10:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
So sad.

Looking at this chart it's plain to see how easily it could go wrong. Chiron on the IC suggests pain at home.

This boy has too many Neptune/Pisces afflictions and bad transits at once. It looks like overwhelming pain and confusion. It would take a long post with a mini astrology lesson included to be presentation-ready for this mother, and I agree with Belage, that it probably isn't the right time. ETA: Oh I just saw your post, deepseablues. Nevermind ~ whatever you think is best.

I think the progressed chart might be more revealing. But I think any observant astrologer would pick out the most glaring red flags:

Tr Neptune conjunct 8H Pisces sun (chart ruler) and Mars
Tr Mars square Pluto
Tr Jupiter opposing sun-Mars
Tr Pluto conjunct Jupiter
Tr Uranus conjunct Venus-SN, trine tr Venus

Some additional natal features, that may have been factors:
12H Lilith square nodal axis
Unaspected Pisces Saturn
Gemini moon square Mars

He also has plenty of good aspects including Mercury trine moon, to enable him to get back on his feet...though I don't know much about suicide and don't want to appear overly optimistic or pessimistic. We can only hope for his health to improve.

A little off-topic:
I would love to know if people who believe in astrology are less likely to commit suicide. I feel that being able to pinpoint a reason for impulses, outside of oneself, is tremendously helpful.

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I did think that as well, about the Neptune/Pisces and confusion, having strong Neptune myself.

Chiron on the IC and pain at home- do you think this may be in regards to parents, siblings? I believe he is the middle child. From what my aunt told me the parents just don't know what to do to help him. They go to see him everyday and just sit and hold his hand. My aunt is a counsellor/hospice worker so I think she is good at giving advice to the mom. She is very comforting. I'm only posting this under the request of both (my aunt and the mother of the son) and I know it's a bit out there. But there are clearly some glaring red flags astrology wise so that says a lot as well.

I really appreciate the responses. I'll post the progressed chart.

As to your last question, astrology has helped me with both my depression and suicidal tendencies, especially as I learned more, and as I found the theory of we choose our charts, parents etc before we are born, as well as karmic debts, I believe very much in this. I always had a feeling like I knew I would have to come back to the same or worse if I did kill myself because partly due to an inner feeling of already having done that before, and paying the price for that currently. I struggled with my suicidal tendencies and wanting to die for over 12 years and now I can say I am officially committed to seeing this life through whether I like it or not!

posted October 05, 2015 10:34 PM            

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@DeepBlueSea:

Find out if he is hiding some kind of illness he is ashamed to talk about. I plugged in some asteroids that are related to STDs and they were in his 8th house. So there is a strong possibility that's the reason underlying his decision to take his life. But please understand that you can't force this information out of him. He has a right to his privacy.

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Thanks for your advices I will pass them on to my aunt who will use her discretion and I will also talk to her to see what more she may know about the son.

I agree with you that the lines of communication may have been cut and there are things going on within him he may feel he can't express to his family/others. Perhaps he doesn't understand himself with Neptune/Pisces in the mix. To my understanding his actions were bordering on frantic that night, hence the rope being too long? I think he got very emotionally overwhelmed and it all happened very fast. From my understanding it may not have been something planned and thought about but a rash emotional response.

posted October 05, 2015 11:39 PM            

So glad you have gotten stronger and put your tendencies in perspective, so you have that upper hand. Thanks for sharing your perspectives on karma ~ I find it very compelling, though I haven't studied it much yet.

Thank you for the progressed chart. I winced, looking at this:

1) Pr sun @ 27 Pisces
Pr Saturn @ 27 Pisces

^^ Self-explanatory difficulties there.

2) Pr Neptune @ 27 Capricorn

^^ Even though it's a sextile, sometimes easy aspects can be destructive, enabling processes that would have been harder with a square.

3) Pr moon @ 1 Pisces

^^ As if the guy doesn't have enough going on in his 8H.

If the pr moon degree is correct, it's forming a t-square with tr Mars and tr Saturn. There's also a chance the moon just switched signs, adding turbulence. Either way it's in a kind of danger zone.

4) Pr Mercury @ 17 Pisces

^^ Now squaring his natal moon.

posted October 06, 2015 01:19 AM            

I am not the best astrologer but I was thinking it might have something to do with a girl/boyfriend, maybe someone foreign through internet (9th house Venus)? Tr Uranus conjunct natal Venus (Uranus ruling 7th and being natally conjunct Desc). Maybe he was bullied or maybe the person broke up with him in a nasty way or maybe something eccentric or kinky he is ashamed for.

posted October 06, 2015 01:49 AM            

Is this person particularly religious? The 9th house ruler(Mars)is conjunct the Sun.

posted October 06, 2015 06:45 PM            

Thanks for taking a look at and sharing your thoughts on the progressed chart. All the 8th House activity is pretty bothersome especially as its Pisces Everytime I think about him I get goosebumps I don't know why. I don't even know him.

@Sylven,

Apparently even his parents can't take him out until at least Friday, I don't really understand the system. I suppose because he is considered a danger to himself and possibly others they can hold him against consent? There seems to be a consensus about a possible lover/something sexual/kinky that he may be hiding/ashamed of.

@Aries23Degrees,

Unfortunately I don't know anything about him or his family. I do know that his mom is helping my aunt campaign for the Green Party so she must be fairly left wing. I had a dinner with my aunt (was the first time I've seen her in 2 months) and she just sort of told me all this and asked for a bit of help looking at his astrology. When I know more I will come back and update, she is very busy so it may be a week or two before I know more, hopefully sooner though.

That Sun/Mars Pisces in the 8th was the first thing I noticed and with transit Neptune there I felt awful for him

posted October 06, 2015 10:34 PM            

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Originally posted by deepseablues:
@Aries23Degrees,

Unfortunately I don't know anything about him or his family. I do know that his mom is helping my aunt campaign for the Green Party so she must be fairly left wing. I had a dinner with my aunt (was the first time I've seen her in 2 months) and she just sort of told me all this and asked for a bit of help looking at his astrology. When I know more I will come back and update, she is very busy so it may be a week or two before I know more, hopefully sooner though.

That Sun/Mars Pisces in the 8th was the first thing I noticed and with transit Neptune there I felt awful for him

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I think the reason I asked this question is because I have Jupiter(ruler of the 9th house) conjunct Sun. And I come from a pretty religious background.

Yes,the conjunction to the Sun/Mars in 8th did prompt me to picture someone who thinks of life/death issues a lot.

Neptune transits on Sun(by conjunction) , can cause the illusion of being confused, lost or exasperated.

It is particularly in this case when we consider the "identity"(Neptune conjunct ruler of the 1st house(Sun))as well as "religious faith(Neptune conjunct ruler of the 9th(Mars)).

Its interesting because I wanted to start a thread on Mars in Pisces(Mars in 12th /Mars Neptune or Mars conjunct ruler of the 12th) and the tendency for self-harm.

Paired with the Sun(by conjunct),this is most apt in this case as action(Mars) to assert oneself(Sun) seem to be inter-linked.

There is often a strong impulse to act without much forethought in acting out decisions made whenever Mars touches the natal personal planets/points Asc/Mc, Sun, Moon, Mercury or Venus(by conjunct,square or opposition)

The fact that this impulse is found in the energies of Pisces(very hidden), suggests that the family wouldn't have known what was bubbling under. As it was most likely hidden from plain sight

Its also noteworthy that the ruler of the 11th house(friendships,hopes and dreams) Moon,has progressed to the natal 8th house of death/loss etc.

My next question was going to be; how is his social life? Any significant relationship that he has lost?

posted October 09, 2015 07:20 PM            

I spoke to my aunt last night and she knows more about the mom than the son. Apparently she has 3 sons and does not talk about them much to my aunt. He is out now and going to therapy with his brothers (one is 15, not sure about the older one). According to my aunt, the family was surprised by the attempt which suggests lack of communication. My aunt also suggested that the home life may be rather reserved and cold in general, which probably isn't the greatest for someone with much Pisces. She doesn't know anything about his social life, relationships, or sexual preferences/identity. She told me that the mom has had pain surrounding child loss besides this (adoption and miscarriages) and was in a car accident (lost a child was 8 months pregnant with, had the son whose chart is posted here roughly 1 year later) and suffered a brain injury from the accident that made her smarter/more intuitive but apparently she is very cerebral and not very emotional. The mother has apparently already gone back to a fairly regular schedule, and continued to work throughout this. She is really searching for reasons and understanding apparently and is very curious about his astrology. After speaking with my aunt we both agreed its best to hold off on going too deep with the astrology info with the mom to start, although I suggested to my aunt, it might be a really great idea for the boy to start learning his chart (starting with the basics of course, nothing too heavy right away) to help him understand himself and what he's going through better.