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Topic: Saturn in 4th, unsupportive family?
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NeptunianSag
Knowflake Posts: 1343
From: Your imagination
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted October 05, 2015 05:48 PM
  
Anyone here with a 4th house Saturn feel their family just doesn't care about them? IP: Logged |
angel4845
Knowflake Posts: 1685
From: los angeles, ca, USA
Registered: Oct 2014
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posted October 05, 2015 07:55 PM
neptunian sag,I dont have personal experience with this HOWEVER i have studied this placement quite a bit and it often denotes that the individual ends up moving away from the family or feel like the family can no longer support the individual, the family does bring restriction and limits. ------------------
Sun Capricorn, Moon Aries, Libra Rising IP: Logged |
bansheequeen
Knowflake Posts: 1368
From: Beachville, USA
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted October 05, 2015 10:13 PM
I have this placement and I feel like the black sheep of the family. I know they care for me but I feel like they care less for me than other people.I also think saturn in the 4th brings a sense of duty and responsibility to your family. IP: Logged |
Gemini30
Knowflake Posts: 329
From: Los Angeles
Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 05, 2015 10:48 PM
My father has it. He moved away from the old country to the US when he was only 17. He crossed the boarder for the ameican dream. He had/has a turbulent relationship with his father.
My father is also a very quiet guy despite having mercury conj the asc and being a libra sun and moon.
Not sure his shyness is due to Saturn in the 4th or being a Scorpio Asc. IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher
Knowflake Posts: 136
From: Lincoln, Nebraska, USA
Registered: Dec 2013
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posted October 06, 2015 02:45 AM
My bro has this. Problems with the mother, and feeling responsible for family members.IP: Logged |
olgatheo
Knowflake Posts: 692
From: Pluto
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted October 06, 2015 03:51 AM
Both my Father + Brother have it , plus Saturn in Cancer.
Yes they do feel this...but they accomplish more on their own ,though. They usually become successful when they start a family and have the support of a wife/husband. IP: Logged |
Lerena
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Registered: May 2015
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posted October 06, 2015 04:33 AM
I feel detached from my family. They care about me, but I don't feel like I belong in the family. My Saturn is in 4th house. It's also in Aquarius, which may explain the detachment from my family members and the lack of belonging. Aquarius has a reputation of being detached and I've been detached since childhood.I don't know if I'd say this placement causes the family to be unsupportive. My family feels like it's falling apart, but the family members still in my life really make it easier to survive. I feel detached from the entire human species a lot too, so I'm not sure if the detachment from my family is from this placement or something else. I mean, wouldn't this placement only make me feel detached from family instead of the entire planet? IP: Logged |
NeptunianSag
Knowflake Posts: 1343
From: Your imagination
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted October 06, 2015 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by Lerena:
I feel detached from my family. They care about me, but I don't feel like I belong in the family. My Saturn is in 4th house. It's also in Aquarius, which may explain the detachment from my family members and the lack of belonging. Aquarius has a reputation of being detached and I've been detached since childhood.I don't know if I'd say this placement causes the family to be unsupportive. My family feels like it's falling apart, but the family members still in my life really make it easier to survive. I feel detached from the entire human species a lot too, so I'm not sure if the detachment from my family is from this placement or something else. I mean, wouldn't this placement only make me feel detached from family instead of the entire planet?
Yep, I feel you too, detatchment from humans in general. IP: Logged |
Kibriana
Knowflake Posts: 239
From: Zagreb, Croatia
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted October 07, 2015 05:34 PM
I've got this placement and I feel it more like I have to do the things I want all by myself because my family (and by that I mean my parents) have never shown any interest in my development nor have they pushed me in any direction. I read somewhere that the worst parents are not the overcontrolling ones but the ones who are indifferent. Let me give you one example. I've always had a lisp, but naturally, my parents didn't do anything about it when they were supposed to. When I announced that I was sick of it and that I wanted to get rid of it,and that I was going to look for some kind of speech therapy, my mother told me that she had spent many sleepless nights worrying about it and thinking whether to get me into speech therapy. Or last year when I took up dancing they told me they were surprised I hadn't done it before, because I'd loved dancing since childhood, yet they had never done anything about it because - indifference. So, yeah, in a way I don't feel supported by my family. IP: Logged |
4lifephrases
Knowflake Posts: 531
From: London, United Kingdom
Registered: Nov 2010
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posted October 07, 2015 08:11 PM
I do not have Saturn in 4th but I feel like that. I have moon in 4th aries and I feel I am not supported by my family and I always give lots to them. IP: Logged |
4lifephrases
Knowflake Posts: 531
From: London, United Kingdom
Registered: Nov 2010
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posted October 07, 2015 08:15 PM
I do not have Saturn in 4th but I feel like that. I have moon in 4th aries and I feel I am not supported by my family and I always give lots to them. IP: Logged |
Gemini30
Knowflake Posts: 329
From: Los Angeles
Registered: Sep 2014
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posted October 07, 2015 09:52 PM
I also feel like i have Saturn in the 4th but i don't! Only planet in the 4th is Jupiter. Weird. There has to be something else. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
Knowflake Posts: 2429
From: South Africa
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted October 08, 2015 12:44 AM
@Gemini30 and 4lifephrasesMaybe look to see if Uranus/Saturn aspects the ruler of the 4th? Because that can also bring that same sense of "distance". IP: Logged |
JourneysRoar
Knowflake Posts: 36
From: Nowhere beyond somewhere
Registered: May 2015
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posted October 08, 2015 11:41 AM
I have Saturn in my 4th in Scorpio. It's a P.I.A. to be honest and Uranus happens to fall there as well. My dad died when I was young (7) so the distance between the father was literal and sudden...very saturn and uranus! But this is also echoed and concreted by my cazimi Mars in Cancer (my 12th). My home life as a child was turbulent minus the first 7 years...then BAM! A tidal wave of chaos engulfed my family and home life. My mother was never actively a parent, I lived with her, but I was very independant and quite self sufficient from a young age so I guess she figured I didn't need her. She was a burden when I was a child, I was the parent in a sense. She was always emotionally unstable...on a never ending hunt for men to fill a void. I was on "restriction" (her word exactly) an awful lot for really ridiculous things (like forgetting my house key and climbing in the window after school, lol)....saturn again! She was unpredictable and my stomach would curl in knots when I heard her jeep comming home in the afternoon. I personally began to distance myself from her in my teens...so this itself wasn't by force of another, but by my own doings. I am my dads only child so when he died...my tie to his family felt severed. It wasn't, but I felt like the oddball out all the time....the orphan of the family and everyone felt they needed to fill his void...mostly in forceful and disciplinarian ways than loving ways. With the exception of my grandfather...he was a real gem of a man, a blessing to me in the really dark hours of my childhood. My family has never supported my choices besides a small few who just accept me as I am. The 4th is not at all a cozy home for saturn...it is the one placement in my chart that I really just don't like...especially in Scorpio! MUCH death and rebirth is brought to your childhood with this placement figuratively and literally. I'm sure there are some positives that can come with it, but for me personally saturn has been very dark there. I notice though, that somehow for me, my 4th has represented BOTH of my parents at some point or another. For those that say they FEEL like they have saturn there but don't..maybe some clues to this feeling could lie in other aspects of your chart. Perhaps a stressful aspect between your moon and Saturn....or possibly a Cappy moon with stressful aspects. Saturn in cancer poorly aspected? Just throwing some thoughts out there. IP: Logged |
JourneysRoar
Knowflake Posts: 36
From: Nowhere beyond somewhere
Registered: May 2015
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posted October 08, 2015 12:00 PM
I have Saturn in my 4th in Scorpio. It's a P.I.A. to be honest and Uranus happens to fall there as well. My dad died when I was young (7) so the distance between the father was literal and sudden...very saturn and uranus! But this is also echoed and concreted by my cazimi Mars in Cancer (my 12th). My home life as a child was turbulent minus the first 7 years...then BAM! A tidal wave of chaos engulfed my family and home life. My mother was never actively a parent, I lived with her, but I was very independant and quite self sufficient from a young age so I guess she figured I didn't need her. She was a burden when I was a child, I was the parent in a sense. She was always emotionally unstable...on a never ending hunt for men to fill a void. I was on "restriction" (her word exactly) an awful lot for really ridiculous things (like forgetting my house key and climbing in the window after school, lol)....saturn again! She was unpredictable and my stomach would curl in knots when I heard her jeep comming home in the afternoon. I personally began to distance myself from her in my teens...so this itself wasn't by force of another, but by my own doings. I am my dads only child so when he died...my tie to his family felt severed. It wasn't, but I felt like the oddball out all the time....the orphan of the family and everyone felt they needed to fill his void...mostly in forceful and disciplinarian ways than loving ways. With the exception of my grandfather...he was a real gem of a man, a blessing to me in the really dark hours of my childhood. My family has never supported my choices besides a small few who just accept me as I am. The 4th is not at all a cozy home for saturn...it is the one placement in my chart that I really just don't like...especially in Scorpio! MUCH death and rebirth is brought to your childhood with this placement figuratively and literally. I'm sure there are some positives that can come with it, but for me personally saturn has been very dark there. I notice though, that somehow for me, my 4th has represented BOTH of my parents at some point or another. For those that say they FEEL like they have saturn there but don't..maybe some clues to this feeling could lie in other aspects of your chart. Perhaps a stressful aspect between your moon and Saturn....or possibly a Cappy moon with stressful aspects. Saturn in cancer poorly aspected? Just throwing some thoughts out there. IP: Logged |
StillTippin
Knowflake Posts: 84
From: Houston, Tx
Registered: Jun 2015
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posted October 09, 2015 07:26 AM
Saturn rules my fourth house(its in the 3rd). I don't know if I felt restricted but I did however feel like they put their own expectations on me and I'm just not what they hoped I'd be but it would be nice if they understood I'm happier doing things my way.Saturn has an odd way of showing he cares. The more the family cares the more restrictive it seems. For me is was too many expectations and that felt like a burden. I grew up having a sense of discipline and responsibility as they were forced on me. Anything Saturn related, was taught to me in my household. Although it isn't in my fourth house, it rules it and kinda sets the tone for my 4th house and with it being in the thirdSaturn rules my fourth house(its in the 3rd). I don't know if I felt restricted but I did however feel like they put their own expectations on me and I'm just not what they hoped I'd be but it would be nice if they understood I'm happier doing things my way. Saturn has an odd way of showing he cares. The more the family cares the more restrictive it seems. For me is was too many expectations and that felt like a burden. I grew up having a sense of discipline and responsibility as they were forced on me. Anything Saturn related, was taught to me in my household. Although it isn't in my fourth house, it rules it and kinda sets the tone for my 4th house and with it being in the third, my neighborhood (which now I know was pretty bad when I was a child)was the one thing I was restricted from. , my neighborhood (which now I know was pretty bad when I was a child)was the one thing I was restricted from. IP: Logged |
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