posted October 06, 2015 04:43 AM            

I have found this really interesting article about artistic aspects in the chart. You can read it here http://proastrologer.com/2012/10/26/artists-and-astrology/

I would love to hear what you think? Do you agree? What aspects would you add to this?

Out of all these aspects I have the following:
Pisces sun, Cancer Ascendant, Jupiter in 11th, Sun trine Ascendant,Mars in Taurus and Pluto trine Ascendant.

And yes I am an artist and my art is very important part of my life.

posted October 06, 2015 08:09 AM              

Anyway, to compare two such small groups without hypothesis (just counting the aspects in both of them) is a very complex statistical process. Basically, in the end, you would need to have a difference of at least + 50% to consider there is indeed a difference between the two groups (with large samples, for millions of individuals, smaller difference may be considered, but not in this case).
In other words, you need to have at least 25% non-artists having Venus sq Neptune compared to 75% Venus sq Neptune in artists to begin considering there is a difference between these two groups.
Taking an example from the list, if in a group of 100 non-artists 9 people (9%) have Aries Moon and in the group of 100 artists 11 people (11%) have Aries Moon, there is no significant difference between Aries Moons here, which means both groups (artists + non-artists) have an almost equal prevalence of Aries Moon, which means the researcher cannot establish if Aries Moon is a marker for artists, for it is equally present in both groups. If you look at most of the aspects listed in there and the difference between groups, the difference is not significant, based on this research.

Another example from the list: out of 100 non-artists, 7 have Moon in the 12th; out of 100 artists, 10 have Moon in the 12th. No difference between the groups. The prevalence is about the same.

Basically, you need to have something like: out of 100 non-artists, only 10 have Aries Moon; but out of 100 artists, 60 have Aries Moon, to consider there is a difference in Aries Moons between these two groups.

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posted October 06, 2015 08:30 AM            

Yes I agree with you both and I didn't think that this is completely accurate I just found it interesting and wanted to share with all of you plus I wanted to see if other people have these aspects and do art or not.

posted October 06, 2015 09:07 AM              

Generally, for artistic gifts, you need strong Sun, Leo, 5th house, 5th house ruler; Neptune Pisces, 12th house; Moon and Venus with some Neptune connection; and strong Pluto/Scorpio; for artists in general.

For becoming famous and grand in the arts, I would say Leo/5th house or Scorpio/Pluto markers will be there. Jupiter too, probably.

EDIT: of course, for public success and fame you also need things happening in 1st, 7th, 10th and 11th, and Aries, Libra, Capricorn (Saturn), Aqua (Uranus) (more than 2). And a Leo connection.

Then it all depends on the artistic field, for the actual talents involved. Apart from the mentioned sculpture, examples would be: Leo 5th house for performers; Mercury with outers for dance, also literature ( for example, I noticed a prevalence of Mercury/Uranus for non-poetic writers, but Mercury Neptune, Mars Neptune or Venus Neptune for poets); Venus with Mercury and outers for singing and so on.

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posted October 06, 2015 09:18 AM            

Sometimes when someone appreciates my pieces I feel like a part of me becomes "connected" with them somehow. Feel as though we sort of "become" one for a moment. Feel very close. And special. So I guess in a way, it's me reaching out and wanting to find connection.

Venus conj neptune/asc. taurus mars.

posted October 06, 2015 09:24 AM              

Gauguin, mentioned on the list, one of the greatest artists, acknowledged nowadays, like many others has never been a success during his lifetime, in fact, considered himself a failure.

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posted October 06, 2015 09:36 AM              

an extraordinary self-portrait

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posted October 06, 2015 09:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Me, too. I find drawing difficult because I put so much pressure on myself to make it perfect...but there is a way I express myself through drawing...that there is no substitute for. I feel like I create a kind of psychological mirror by getting all the dreamy stuff materialized...and then I can see what I want to see.

My 12H Saturn benefits from art therapy.

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Yeah, it sure lightens up saturn. Provides that saturn doesn't stifle it.

I totally get what you mean about wanting to make it perfect. The only "solution" for me so far is total immersion. Let them take over. Let them draw themselves.

posted October 06, 2015 10:05 AM              

Pluto and Saturn would intensify the need to have power over matter, the Demiurge impulse, but also combined with the actual "stamina" to become a success, to make an actual impact. Jupiter shows the world is ready for that artist. While Uranus is, of course, the marker for originality and innovation.

In fact, IMO talents don't belong to the bearer, but to the world, and each planet contributes to bringing them out there; the bigger the talent and the innovation, the bigger the push coming from several influences. (talent, power and stamina to use it, potential for public impact and for success)

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posted October 06, 2015 10:26 AM            

I think art is the need for one to express himself and explore himself and the world through for example writing or painting, but apart from it being inherited from the family, I do think that being an artist can come from many other reasons such as difficult childhood, relationships, curiosity etc which possibly makes it harder to read in the chart.

What is interesting is that I am very creative and artistic, by my twin is not at all! He doesn't like art and has never been good at it.

However I find Salvador Dali's chart very interesting!! (He is one of my favorite artists.)

I will need to explore this topic further.

posted October 06, 2015 10:47 AM              

Talent can be seen in the Minor Triangle (and talent leading to fame with Jupiter apex in the 10th) and Wedge, surrealism in the Moon T/sq and 12th placements.

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posted October 06, 2015 11:03 AM            

Firstly, you need a vivid imagination; Obviously Pisces is the number one candidate for this, but it depends on your 'art'.
Imagination then combines with emotion give you the urge to paint something that touches you deep. (Moon)

But you then need some aspects which give you the ability to turn abstract into concrete.
Saturn can be your friend here. Mercury gives you the ability to paint. (Hands).

So:

3rd house, 12th house, and Neptune for imagination.
Saturn to actually start the process of expressing art.
Mercury gives you the physically ability to do the painting etc.
5th house + ruler, expression choice.
Uranus to seperate you from the rest, uniqueness.

Also, careerwise, check your 6th+10th house rulers and houses, to see if you could have a career in art.

posted October 06, 2015 11:06 AM            

You have said this for surrealism: surrealism in the Moon T/sq and 12th placements.

But I have no 12th house placements and my moon is not in Aries or in the 10th house, however I have always been a surrealist.

Maybe because my 12th house ruler is mercury and he is in the 8th house Aquarius?

posted October 06, 2015 11:12 AM            

I’m an artist / all around insane kinda girl

posted October 06, 2015 11:16 AM              

quote:

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Originally posted by Sven555:
I think you need a blend of quite a few placements/planets or signs to become a great artist.

Firstly, you need a vivid imagination; Obviously Pisces is the number one candidate for this, but it depends on your 'art'.
Imagination then combines with emotion give you the urge to paint something that touches you deep. (Moon)

But you then need some aspects which give you the ability to turn abstract into concrete.
Saturn can be your friend here. Mercury gives you the ability to paint. (Hands).

So:

3rd house, 12th house, and Neptune for imagination.
Saturn to actually start the process of expressing art.
Mercury gives you the physically ability to do the painting etc.
5th house + ruler, expression choice.
Uranus to seperate you from the rest, uniqueness.

Also, careerwise, check your 6th+10th house rulers and houses, to see if you could have a career in art.

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posted October 06, 2015 11:24 AM              

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Originally posted by curiouspisces89:
thanks LeeLoo2014! I totally agree with you on the matter of art.

I think art is the need for one to express himself and explore himself and the world through for example writing or painting, but apart from it being inherited from the family, I do think that being an artist can come from many other reasons such as difficult childhood, relationships, curiosity etc which possibly makes it harder to read in the chart.

What is interesting is that I am very creative and artistic, by my twin is not at all! He doesn't like art and has never been good at it.

However I find Salvador Dali's chart very interesting!! (He is one of my favorite artists.)

I will need to explore this topic further.

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You can see two of my older works here:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum17/HTML/003055.html

Where can I see yours, and everyone else's on the thread?

Selenite, you are a musician, right??

Some artistic influences in my chart

Minor Triangle between Mercury Moon and Neptune, with apex in the 8th house stellium, Mercury in Libra.

duplicated 5th house in Gem, so ruled by the same Mercury

the same Mercury sq chart ruler Saturn on DSC (my main field of study and degree is Sculpture)

Leo Moon in the 7th

Moon Q Uranus

Uranus peregrine, intercepted chart ruler (peregrine by major aspects)

Venus sq Neptune opp Jupiter

Sun opp Jupiter

Scorpio MC conj Vesta with Pluto part of the said stellium.

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posted October 06, 2015 11:37 AM            

You are so talented! I love that painting and the sculpture as well! Beautiful pieces of art.

posted October 06, 2015 11:46 AM            

this is some of the stuff I do alone:
cat-vision.bandcamp.com