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Topic: Are aspects to planets stronger than sign placements?
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Wild Horses
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posted October 07, 2015 07:51 AM
  
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frankie2912
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posted October 07, 2015 08:00 AM
Yes I think so. Because in the hierarchy of astrological "things", the planets are King..right? Someone correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I see it.I think your examples provide pretty good evidence. ------------------
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Aries23Degrees
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posted October 08, 2015 12:09 PM
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Sylven
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posted October 08, 2015 12:15 PM
Placements are character but aspects are energy. Energy moves and creates, it's active. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted October 08, 2015 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by Wild Horses:
My husband has his Sun-Venus-Mars conjunct in Scorpio and Pluto in his first house. He gives off a strong Plutonic vibe. However, his Pluto does not make any aspects to his personal planets, and he doesn't act Plutonic.On the other hand, I don't have any planets in Scorpio. It rules my 5th house, and I have my BMLilith there, conjuncting his Sun-Venus-Mars, but I have no planets there. However, my Pluto is tightly conjunct my Moon (chart ruler), tightly square my Sun and Venus, sextile my Mars-Ascendant conjunction, and tightly trine my Descendant and NN. I act very Plutonic. So, I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced something like this where tight aspects with a signs ruling planet in their chart makes them exhibit more of the characteristics of that sign than someone else who may have planets in that sign, but no direct aspects to the signs ruler.
I have scorp NN, making a 3 degree sextile to my unaspected virgo moon in 12th.
I have debilitated scorp Uranus....so not much scorp going on for me. But I act very scorpio like or more Plutonian. My Pluto is conjunct my AC by 3 degrees, plus it's conjunct my Venus, Venus is my chart ruler and 8th house ruler.
I'm very guarded and don't let ppl in easily...although I'm not cold at all, libra Pluto/AC/Venus makes for a very light n airy Plutonian. I guess that's kind of a contradiction in a way, I seem so open but eventually ppl realize I keep ppl at arms length away, it's hard to get close to me. So yes, aspects are more or at least just as influential in the chart as the signs, but signs are very meaningful to, houses have a huge impact also. My kids-
Daughter- scorp AC- she appears Plutonian but really isn't, she trusts everyone. Son- scorp AC/scorp Mars in 12th trines his pisces Sun -he appears Plutonian and is Plutonian he trusts no one but it suspicions don't rule his life. Younger son- scorp Mars/Venus conjunct trine cancer Moon-he's the most scorpio like of all of us...he trusts no one, even looks out the windows every night to make sure no ones around that looks suspicious. He double checks locks and always has an eye out for things that seem suspicious. He's almost seems paranoid at times.
His Mercury is in his 8th house, conjunct Pluto... IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted October 08, 2015 12:22 PM
I would say no, in general.However, aspects do modify the sign placements a great deal.------------------
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Wild Horses
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posted October 08, 2015 12:50 PM
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Wild Horses
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posted October 08, 2015 01:01 PM
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Wild Horses
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posted October 08, 2015 01:23 PM
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Soltze
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posted October 08, 2015 01:27 PM
The sign the planet is in determines its strenght and easyness of action.
Aspects give it a different nuance. Still, if one of the planets in aspect has a stronger dignity he has the upper hand.IP: Logged |
HadesFish
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posted October 08, 2015 06:52 PM
Signs are always prevalent, mostly seen. Aspects within may lay dormant for years... Until a certain situation ( person, awareness, etc.) happens and they wake up. This is especially true for the nodes and their connections on a greater scale. Aspects in general explain reactions and exchange not just in natal, but synastry. For example if something looks good on paper, but doesn't actually act /react that way; for any sign once ignited, can't be ignored. They explain why a generic sign doesn't act the way it does, somewhat like the houses.------------------
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NYCdodger
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posted October 08, 2015 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by frankie2912:
Yes I think so. Because in the hierarchy of astrological "things", the planets are King..right? Someone correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I see it.I think your examples provide pretty good evidence.
If you were to ask me, I would say that angles are King (ASC and MC) We do however have dominant planets which also reveals dominant house, element, etc.. IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo
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posted October 08, 2015 11:42 PM
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ReadingTheStars95
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posted October 09, 2015 12:19 AM
Hmm.. It's not entirely about strength. I think it all needs to be looked at collectively. Now, I am going to contradict myself. I personally think strength wise, it goes like this.. Houses,Aspects,Sign placements. However, that can alter, depending on the chart. When certain planets have just the right amount of significance placed on them through aspects, along with being in a very specific sign, the sign does seem to hold the most significance. Such as a T-square between Mercury, Neptune and the Moon, with the Moon being the Apex in Pisces.. In the 12th house. Now, since Neptune is involved in this configuration, and the apex is in Pisces, along with the fact that it is being channeled through the water-energy of the Moon, it could be said that this places a certain significance on Pisces, in this configuration. (Of course, it isn't QUITE that simple, however, I am trying to put this into very simple terms in an example that isn't all that complex..) Really, I think it somewhat depends on the chart, and the format of the chart. Different types of charts can seem to put different significance on different features in the chart. There are many different format patterns of charts that can be formed (splash, bucket, bundle.. To name a few).. So, I think that its hard to say ONE general thing for all charts indefinitely.
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Sylven
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posted October 09, 2015 01:15 AM
I think in 3d thinking we'd like to set one apart from the other and label it. In fact there is no such thing. It's all one with the other. It works together so there is not anything stronger than something else. It seems that way as there is a focus on it. Whatever you focus on get's stronger right? But I feel that also astro is about balance. Everything is about balance. That's why we live in a dualistic world, to learn to balance. But this doesn't mean this is the actual reality. So it can mean someone has a focus point because this is what 'was' or 'is' (because there is no such thing as time) missing before and he needs to intergrate that because he chose to experience this. But ...when he does there is a possibility that he looses himself in that. It seems strong but in fact it is only a focus point. Am I making sense at all?? Labeling something as strong is merely a perception. Because who is to say that the dormant sweet little other planet is not strong. Because in the whole it plays along. Shizz, I am rambling. IP: Logged |
Sylven
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posted October 09, 2015 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:
Hmm.. It's not entirely about strength. I think it all needs to be looked at collectively.
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ReadingTheStars95
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posted October 09, 2015 01:42 AM
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Originally posted by Sylven:
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Gemini Blues
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posted October 09, 2015 02:37 AM
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Originally posted by Sylven:
Placements are character but aspects are energy. Energy moves and creates, it's active.
I agree. The planets are the actors, the signs they wear are the costumes or roles they play, the houses are the setting, but the aspects are the plot. Without aspects, you might as well be reading Sun sign astrology in the checkout line. IP: Logged |
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