posted October 14, 2015 10:04 PM            

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Originally posted by ScandinavianCrab:
I have yet to meet a person, who I know of, with jupiter conjunct ascendant.
Could it be that people sense your jupiter and takes it for granted that you are that jovial person that meets and greets all people with genuine interest?
So if people get that feeling and then feel like ure ignoring them they take it personal and get upset about it? Just thinking loud
Seeing that harsh square from Pluto to your moon I guess you might feel more Plutonian than Jupiterian?

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posted October 15, 2015 03:16 AM            

Your DSC and Venus being in Aries, you tend to bring Martian energy to you. With the opposition of Jupiter to your DSC, the people you attract may seem overly aggressive, and you are not sure why this is the case (due to Jupiter being retrograde).

You also have the generational Neptune/Uranus conjunction in Capricorn, both retrograde. It is of particular significance to you, however, because it is at the tip of a Yod and square your chart ruler, Venus.

Moon in Leo sextile Mercury in Gemini is a sociable combination, emphasized by your Libra ASC. But both planets are quincunx Neptune/Uranus in the 4th (confusing childhood, perhaps?), so you must focus on learning the lessons of Neptune / Uranus.

posted October 15, 2015 03:44 AM            

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Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
First I noticed was the abundance of retrograde planets in your chart. Jupiter retrograde is conjunct your ASC- any retrograde planet aspecting the Ascendant tends to give a somewhat "unusual" or "atypical" first appearance, and the nature of Jupiter tends to expand this.

Your DSC and Venus being in Aries, you tend to bring Martian energy to you. With the opposition of Jupiter to your DSC, the people you attract may seem overly aggressive, and you are not sure why this is the case (due to Jupiter being retrograde).

You also have the generational Neptune/Uranus conjunction in Capricorn, both retrograde. It is of particular significance to you, however, because it is at the tip of a Yod and square your chart ruler, Venus.

Moon in Leo sextile Mercury in Gemini is a sociable combination, emphasized by your Libra ASC. But both planets are quincunx Neptune/Uranus in the 4th (confusing childhood, perhaps?), so you must focus on learning the lessons of Neptune / Uranus.

Your chart has the potential to be very charming, I'm sure this will come into play after your Saturn return (Saturn opposite your 11th house moon).

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posted October 15, 2015 07:10 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
I don't think it's Jupiter.

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Hmm, in my experience, retrograde planets seem to be something the native is unaware of, so if it's aspecting the ASC or MC. So it becomes an element of negative projection.

For ex, my good friend has retrograde Uranus conj. the ASC. Leo Sun, Virgo Moon/Mercury sextile Cancer Venus/Mars. Should be popular, but for some reason people react very negatively towards him at first glance, because he's unaware (retrograde) of the energy he projects.

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Originally posted by theunknown:
i think it's moon conjunct Mars square Pluto make you come off both very competitive and provoking.

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Yeah, Moon square Pluto is definitely provocative at such a tight orb.

I would also take note of a couple of things- Chiron is also conjunct moon and Mars at a fairly close orb and in the 11th house, indicates pain by the social collective. Conjunct Moon and Mars, this pain inhibits your ability for emotional expression and for moving forward, taking action, etc.

Pluto retrograde indicates a subversion of personal power, but like all retrograde planets, it's a lesson that you have to learn. I would say it's the key to resolving the Chiron issues in the 11th house.

@OP: I see you've taken down your chart, so I'm not sure if you wanted to stop discussing the topic or not. If you're uncomfortable, just say the word. ^^

posted October 15, 2015 07:17 PM            

Successful artists can have many retrograde planets as they aid creative process.m, forcing you to look inward.

And sorry OP, my earlier response might have been too harsh. Moon square Pluto people can be quite powerful. Demi Lovato, Pink? Angelina Jolie have the opposition. Quite similar to the square. I was just very angry at my sibling the other day.

posted October 15, 2015 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
I disagree about retrograde planets. I have Jupiter retrograde and I feel like I had to put more work into it.

Successful artists can have many retrograde planets as they aid creative process.m, forcing you to look inward.

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? Not sure if you misinterpreted or not, I think that's what how I described retrograde planets in the post right above yours.

posted October 15, 2015 10:34 PM            

To clarify, jupiter is your beliefs and parental teaching. But because I have jupiter retrograde, I had to find my beliefs through inner examination. I carry completely different beliefs from the rest of my family. I think that's how my jupiter retrograde manifest. But it doesn't necessarily encourage people to examine me.

posted October 15, 2015 11:10 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
i'm confused about your example. I similarly have jupiter retrograde trine Asc. I'm quite popular.

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Ah, well trine and sextile are more easily to incorporate. There's an ease of expression. The "misinterpretation" of energies is more with hard aspects to the ASC.

For example, I know someone with Neptune retrograde square the ASC, and she often gets criticism for being "unreliable" at work and amongst friends. She is very artistic (a photographer, Neptune's realm) and produces unique works of art.

I also know someone with Neptune retrograde trine the ASC, and he's a musician. Got into a top university, chose to major in Music and now makes his living playing at restaurants. His style of living is interpreted as somewhat confusing (Neptune), but most people view him as a creative soul, an artist, etc. More positive than the person with the Neptune square.

The nature of Retrograde still applies- meaning the planetary energies look inwards, not externally. Thus, the native has to find the meaning of those principles themselves. But trine tends to make the expression easier.

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Originally posted by theunknown:

My former housemate has mars retrograde and her aggression energy turns inward. So she is even more passive aggressive (mars in cancer), but people dont seem to notice her much.

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Yeah I could see that. Does her Mars aspect ASC? Because I was saying that when a retrograde planet is aspecting the Ascendant, those themes become the forefront of a person's life. In hard aspect, they can be a source of negative projection, which is what I was talking about in the OP's case. Hope that helps explain.

posted October 16, 2015 12:49 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
I disagree about retrograde planets. I have Jupiter retrograde and I feel like I had to put more work into it.

Successful artists can have many retrograde planets as they aid creative process.m, forcing you to look inward.

And sorry OP, my earlier response might have been too harsh. Moon square Pluto people can be quite powerful. Demi Lovato, Pink? Angelina Jolie have the opposition. Quite similar to the square. I was just very angry at my sibling the other day.

Basically if you carry powerful energy, it's natural people might feel threatened.

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posted October 16, 2015 12:54 AM            

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Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
Yeah, Moon square Pluto is definitely provocative at such a tight orb.

I would also take note of a couple of things- Chiron is also conjunct moon and Mars at a fairly close orb and in the 11th house, indicates pain by the social collective. Conjunct Moon and Mars, this pain inhibits your ability for emotional expression and for moving forward, taking action, etc.

Pluto retrograde indicates a subversion of personal power, but like all retrograde planets, it's a lesson that you have to learn. I would say it's the key to resolving the Chiron issues in the 11th house.

@OP: I see you've taken down your chart, so I'm not sure if you wanted to stop discussing the topic or not. If you're uncomfortable, just say the word. ^^

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No you actually have a lot of knowledge about these things! My chart is up now. I'll take it down when the thread gets too old.. I feel like I have the most trouble with groups and people. Always felt this all my life to be honest.

posted October 16, 2015 02:45 AM            

Venus is your chart ruler trines 11th Moon so the theme of freedom, space is emphasized.

posted October 16, 2015 04:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Geminiyoungster:
I don't know what it is, but when it comes to certain people, especially when I go out, there's always somebody picking me apart or saying things to me. It's the weirdest thing or get mad when I don't give them any attention. However, it could be a person that walked in before me that completely ignored them, but they will get mad when I do it or not pay them any mind. Keep in mind, that I can be in my own world.

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I go through this quite often.

I don't have Jupiter on the ASC but he is retro in my 1st house, trine to my Sun also in the 9th.
I also have Uranus Rx square Venus. brings up awkward situations usually

Also have 5 planets in retrogade.

posted October 16, 2015 09:41 AM            

I go through the same EXACT thing all the time and I've learned to accept myself and deal with it. People are quick to fear and judge what they don't understand.

posted October 16, 2015 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
I feel like these things go beyond astrology

I go through the same EXACT thing all the time and I've learned to accept myself and deal with it. People are quick to fear and judge what they don't understand.

You could be a very old soul.

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posted October 16, 2015 01:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Soltze:
Plutonians need to protect themselves spiritually. Otherwise we run the risk of being mob attacked when we walk down the street. Just sayin'

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posted October 16, 2015 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Soltze:
Plutonians need to protect themselves spiritually. Otherwise we run the risk of being mob attacked when we walk down the street. Just sayin'

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posted October 16, 2015 04:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Soltze:
Plutonians need to protect themselves spiritually. Otherwise we run the risk of being mob attacked when we walk down the street. Just sayin'

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posted October 16, 2015 06:29 PM            

And I have to meditate and pray to avoid the famous Plutonian black and white vision of people and events. We're so conected to the beyond and transformation, that we manifestate good and bad events faster than other people. So we need much discipline to avoid the crazies.

Because when I get really annoyed...that's when unpleasant things will happen in public interactions.

Even the looking! I mean I can be walking down the street I will get stared at with hate or wide open eyed people. It's so sooo weird.

I will be nice and get random rudeness in stores and public services as well.

Drunks and beggars will tell me to f-u if I don't give them money. Or they will scream weird stuff.

All creepy men will harass me (I dress decently mind you LOL)

Preparation before getting out the house is so important. A little prayer, a candle can have such an important effect.

Having alone time to calm down and find out our triggers is also a big one. And to diminish consequences of a meltdown.

posted October 16, 2015 10:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Soltze:
What happens to me is that I feel that negative energies will try to surround me eventually. My weakness is the so called "righteous anger" so that's how I get attacked and tested.

And I have to meditate and pray to avoid the famous Plutonian black and white vision of people and events. We're so conected to the beyond and transformation, that we manifestate good and bad events faster than other people. So we need much discipline to avoid the crazies.

Because when I get really annoyed...that's when unpleasant things will happen in public interactions.

Even the looking! I mean I can be walking down the street I will get stared at with hate or wide open eyed people. It's so sooo weird.

I will be nice and get random rudeness in stores and public services as well.

Drunks and beggars will tell me to f-u if I don't give them money. Or they will scream weird stuff.

All creepy men will harass me (I dress decently mind you LOL)

Preparation before getting out the house is so important. A little prayer, a candle can have such an important effect.

Having alone time to calm down and find out our triggers is also a big one. And to diminish consequences of a meltdown.

When we reach balance no one can attack us, you will notice how people want your opinion/help/company and listen with respect when you're at your best.

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posted October 16, 2015 10:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Soltze:
What happens to me is that I feel that negative energies will try to surround me eventually. My weakness is the so called "righteous anger" so that's how I get attacked and tested.

And I have to meditate and pray to avoid the famous Plutonian black and white vision of people and events. We're so conected to the beyond and transformation, that we manifestate good and bad events faster than other people. So we need much discipline to avoid the crazies.

Because when I get really annoyed...that's when unpleasant things will happen in public interactions.

Even the looking! I mean I can be walking down the street I will get stared at with hate or wide open eyed people. It's so sooo weird.

I will be nice and get random rudeness in stores and public services as well.

Drunks and beggars will tell me to f-u if I don't give them money. Or they will scream weird stuff.

All creepy men will harass me (I dress decently mind you LOL)

Preparation before getting out the house is so important. A little prayer, a candle can have such an important effect.

Having alone time to calm down and find out our triggers is also a big one. And to diminish consequences of a meltdown.

When we reach balance no one can attack us, you will notice how people want your opinion/help/company and listen with respect when you're at your best.

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posted October 16, 2015 10:46 PM            

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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
I feel like these things go beyond astrology

I go through the same EXACT thing all the time and I've learned to accept myself and deal with it. People are quick to fear and judge what they don't understand.

You could be a very old soul.

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