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moonlight swan
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posted October 15, 2015 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonlight swan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey just wondering if there are any placements in this natal chart that suggest someone is bisexual or lesbian.

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posted October 15, 2015 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think you can tell that in the chart anymore than you can tell who is likely to be left handed.

That said, I vaguely recall one observation that was true a surprising number of times, something about a...not sure...Uranus + Neptune sextile Venus or Mars, I think. And ignoring the Mars then that chart holds that.

Obviously, many are born with that placement and are neither bi nor gay.

You might also find it useful to look into the asteroid Sappho.

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posted October 15, 2015 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lunar Pisces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think there's any placements or aspects natally that suggests someone is gay or bi anymore than I think there are placements or aspects that suggest someone is straight. Have non-traditional approaches to sexuality? Inclinations toward unconventional relationships? Sure, but specifically gay or bi? No. Sorry.

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posted October 15, 2015 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonlight swan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well yes sorry I meant like signs of non-traditional approaches to sexuality.

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posted October 15, 2015 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonlight swan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I don't think you can tell that in the chart anymore than you can tell who is likely to be left handed.

That said, I vaguely recall one observation that was true a surprising number of times, something about a...not sure...Uranus + Neptune sextile Venus or Mars, I think. And ignoring the Mars then that chart holds that.

Obviously, many are born with that placement and are neither bi nor gay.

You might also find it useful to look into the asteroid Sappho.


Thanks I shall look into Sappho

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posted October 15, 2015 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know a guy who was open minded and tried very hard to make himself bi. It didn't work, something that disappointed him. Being nontraditional didn't allow him to be bi as he hoped. Being nontraditional is not the same as being bi or gay. And gays can be very traditional in how they express themselves, gender aside, and the nontraditional polyamorist and swingers can be turned off by same sex pairings. Tragically, many gays can even hate themselves (I recall one interview of a gay man saved from his suicide attempt who was trying to execute himself for being gay!) and be very much against anything unconventional.

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posted October 15, 2015 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonlight swan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry I didn't mean I thought it was the same. I was just looking for an opinion on the chart.

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posted October 15, 2015 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soltze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, I don't see the signs there. I'm not going to be politically correct and preach on you. I think it's unlikely from looking at the chart.
What I do see is the person has problems with relationships in general (5th and 11h houses intercepted). The Moon in the 12th may be given a distant vibe so you can't read the person and you don't know what to think. The person might get constantly involved in secret affairs (ruler of 7th in the 12th).
I see a very sexual person - Venus/Pluto/Júpiter but I don't see anything unusual in the person's sexuality per se.
Moon quincunx Mars tells me the person doesn't know how to deal with their emotions so they will blow up when the quincunx gets aspected by transit. Mercury square Mars reinforces to me the chance of verbal fights.
Sun square Uranus might give some eccentricity that somehow made you believe this manifestated in the sphere of sexual orientation. But...it doesn't.

Check Sappho like it was said. People say no, but I do have some indicators (I'm bi) and...Sappho trine Sun lol. Give it a go.

Hope I helped

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posted October 15, 2015 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello moonlight swan! Welcome to LL

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posted October 15, 2015 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReadingTheStars95     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where is this person's Eros? (Asteroid number 433)

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posted October 15, 2015 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonlight swan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is the chart with Sappho and Eros
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posted October 15, 2015 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not seeing it from the chart. In fact, mars in 7th would indicate the desire for a masculine partner.

Anyway, I would have to see placements of certain asteroids such as Sappho 80, Pomona 32, Arthemis 105, etc to have a better idea.

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posted October 15, 2015 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonlight swan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
updated with the extra asteroids
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posted October 15, 2015 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonlight swan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Hello moonlight swan! Welcome to LL


Thank you so much!

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posted October 15, 2015 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by moonlight swan:
updated with the extra asteroids
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Now it gets interesting.

Sappho exact conjunction to Mars in the 7th, and Arthemis is in the 8th trines the ascendant and the moon. So there is a possibility. Not certainty, but definitely a possibility yes.

ETA: If she is lesbian or bi, she would be attracted to a masculine type of woman.

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posted October 15, 2015 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonlight swan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:

Now it gets interesting.

Sappho exact conjunction to Mars in the 7th, and Arthemis is in the 8th trines the ascendant and the moon. So there is a possibility. Not certainty, but definitely a possibility yes.

ETA: If she is lesbian or bi, she would be attracted to a masculine type of woman. [/B]




Great thanks so much for your interpretation

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posted October 15, 2015 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonlight swan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Soltze:
No, I don't see the signs there. I'm not going to be politically correct and preach on you. I think it's unlikely from looking at the chart.
What I do see is the person has problems with relationships in general (5th and 11h houses intercepted). The Moon in the 12th may be given a distant vibe so you can't read the person and you don't know what to think. The person might get constantly involved in secret affairs (ruler of 7th in the 12th).
I see a very sexual person - Venus/Pluto/Júpiter but I don't see anything unusual in the person's sexuality per se.
Moon quincunx Mars tells me the person doesn't know how to deal with their emotions so they will blow up when the quincunx gets aspected by transit. Mercury square Mars reinforces to me the chance of verbal fights.
Sun square Uranus might give some eccentricity that somehow made you believe this manifestated in the sphere of sexual orientation. But...it doesn't.

Check Sappho like it was said. People say no, but I do have some indicators (I'm bi) and...Sappho trine Sun lol. Give it a go.

Hope I helped


Yeah you did thanks a lot

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posted October 15, 2015 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In case it wasn't clear, I was trying to explain it to you, and how the question comes off. After all, if you find a placement that is accepting of polyamory then you've found one that is nontraditional, but not necessarily one who is gay or even accepting of that, and likewise if you find one that's very conventional doesn't mean the person can't be gay. I wasn't "preaching" nor "offended." Rather, I was trying to help you not get confused.

I'm not some teacher grading your remarks and I get confused when people act as if I am. (For that matter, teachers have no business putting students down unless the said student didn't do their homework, because if they could be expected to already know then there would be no point in having a teacher, but that's another topic. When the grades one gets could seem to affect how one survives, I can see how the survival instincts would make it appear more dire than it is, especially as there really are teachers who abuse their position.)

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posted October 15, 2015 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Soltze:
No, I don't see the signs there. I'm not going to be politically correct and preach on you.

Given how you replied to me in another thread, I'm thinking this is in reference to what I posted in this thread. I chose to drop it in the other thread in respect to someone else, but now I'm thinking of going back to reply to you when I have more time, to clear up some misunderstandings.

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posted October 15, 2015 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonlight swan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
In case it wasn't clear, I was trying to explain it to you, and how the question comes off. After all, if you find a placement that is accepting of polyamory then you've found one that is nontraditional, but not necessarily one who is gay or even accepting of that, and likewise if you find one that's very conventional doesn't mean the person can't be gay. I wasn't "preaching" nor "offended." Rather, I was trying to help you not get confused.

I'm not some teacher grading your remarks and I get confused when people act as if I am. (For that matter, teachers have no business putting students down unless the said student didn't do their homework, because if they could be expected to already know then there would be no point in having a teacher, but that's another topic. When the grades one gets could seem to affect how one survives, I can see how the survival instincts would make it appear more dire than it is, especially as there really are teachers who abuse their position.)


That's alright! I guess I was a bit vague haha

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posted October 16, 2015 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soltze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Given how you replied to me in another thread, I'm thinking this is in reference to what I posted in this thread. I chose to drop it in the other thread in respect to someone else, but now I'm thinking of going back to reply to you when I have more time, to clear up some misunderstandings.

No, I really wasn't commenting about you. I don't do off topic.
Maybe I came on too strong stating my opinion, but relativism and the idea that we can't see such an important thing on a person's life on a chart doesn't make sense for me. But you were not the only one stating the opinion that homossexuality can't be seen in the chart. So...you read way too much into people's words.

I believe sexual orientation can manifest in the chart. It does in mine. But I'm also flexible enough to know it ain't fullproof, obviously.

We're humans interpretating horoscopes. So perfection is impossible. Mistakes will happen.

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posted October 16, 2015 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soltze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Belage:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by moonlight swan:
[b]updated with the extra asteroids
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Now it gets interesting.

Sappho exact conjunction to Mars in the 7th, and Arthemis is in the 8th trines the ascendant and the moon. So there is a possibility. Not certainty, but definitely a possibility yes.

ETA: If she is lesbian or bi, she would be attracted to a masculine type of woman. [/B][/QUOTE]

Maybe but the Mars/Sappho conjunction is square Eros. If she has the drive she might not actually ever do it. There's some contradiction and ambivalence in these placements as in bi-curious potential somehow

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posted October 16, 2015 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Soltze:
No, I really wasn't commenting about you. I don't do off topic.
Maybe I came on too strong stating my opinion, but relativism and the idea that we can't see such an important thing on a person's life on a chart doesn't make sense for me. But you were not the only one stating the opinion that homossexuality can't be seen in the chart. So...you read way too much into people's words.

I believe sexual orientation can manifest in the chart. It does in mine. But I'm also flexible enough to know it ain't fullproof, obviously.

We're humans interpretating horoscopes. So perfection is impossible. Mistakes will happen.


i agree. I have learned to not say that such and such cannot be seen in a chart. I will say however, I am not able to see such and such in a chart because frankly, it all depends on the astrologer's level of expertise. I do believe everything can be seen in a chart but not every astrologer will see it. That's where we have to be humble enough as astrologers to acknowledge that WE can't see it, not that it is not there. There are plenty of things I can't see, but it's there to be seen.

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posted October 16, 2015 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Soltze:
Maybe but the Mars/Sappho conjunction is square Eros. If she has the drive she might not actually ever do it. There's some contradiction and ambivalence in these placements as in bi-curious potential somehow



Not sure what you mean. Can you expound on that?
I have not given Eros much attention in that chart because I never look at Eros without looking at Psyche.

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posted October 16, 2015 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonlight swan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Not sure what you mean. Can you expound on that?
I have not given Eros much attention in that chart because I never look at Eros without looking at Psyche.

I added Psyche if that interests you

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