posted October 22, 2015 02:10 PM            

The ruler of the 1st being in 12th suggests a rather poetic, idealistic and trans-personal soul.

I understand why you see no pleasure in living a mundane life. Neptune affiliated 12th house tends to want "more".

But this "more" may take your whole life in trying to find. And it may keep you detached from the now.

You have a Moon in 3rd like me . And I find this position tends to keep people guessing -as it has little desire to be tied down as well.

The Venus/Mars conjunct in Leo in the 1st is squared by Pluto- meaning that the extreme energy of Pluto rubs off on both these planets.

This all plays out in the very public place(1st) and is the 1st thing that people notice about you.

You are no wallflower-even if at times you may feel like one(Sun in 12th).

The Pluto squaring both these planets in your 1st house,suggest that people often have a very strong reaction towards you(Pluto).

Its either they may feel the dominance of your energy and get defensive and not like you. Or they may "submit" themselves to you because they sense that you are more "powerful" than they are etc.

This strong presence can definitely help in establishing yourself as influential-specifically in issues related to the 12th -where you Sun is situated.

Your MC/IC axis as well as your Sun is being transited by Uranus with a conjunction/square aspect respectively.

Uranus on your Sun could suggest a make-over or image change. You will no longer want to talk about the same things or be known for them.

The conjunction with MC/IC opposition suggests some changes in the family/work structure.

Whatever it is, it is likely that circumstances in the living/work environment are not likely to be the same or settle on routine for the time being.

Pluto is sitting on your Moon by square right now and this transit may have come with definitive changes to the area the Moon governs; home-life, diet,emotional capacity,habits, close relationships etc.

Again re-iterating what I mentioned about home life changing....

You could either be feeling very powerful or over-exposed(Pluto). Because your emotional nature(Moon)is very much on fire (Pluto)right now.

So your emotional reactions are likely to be extreme; making those closest to you notice the change in your personality.

If you haven't experienced this yet, in 2016 Pluto will go retrograde and be 1 degree away from squaring your Moon again. So if you are not feeling anything now, you will feel it then.

Either way, these two years are quite definitive for you.

Are you in any way interested in spirituality?

posted October 22, 2015 10:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Sun being the ruler of the chart situated in the 12th, suggests that you could "shine" in issues related to the 12th; spirituality, psychic ability, intuition and the gift to work out the "hidden" or complex.

The ruler of the 1st being in 12th suggests a rather poetic, idealistic and trans-personal soul.

I understand why you see no pleasure in living a mundane life. Neptune affiliated 12th house tends to want "more".

But this "more" may take your whole life in trying to find. And it may keep you detached from the now.

You have a Moon in 3rd like me . And I find this position tends to keep people guessing -as it has little desire to be tied down as well.

The Venus/Mars conjunct in Leo in the 1st is squared by Pluto- meaning that the extreme energy of Pluto rubs off on both these planets.

This all plays out in the very public place(1st) and is the 1st thing that people notice about you.

You are no wallflower-even if at times you may feel like one(Sun in 12th).

The Pluto squaring both these planets in your 1st house,suggest that people often have a very strong reaction towards you(Pluto).

Its either they may feel the dominance of your energy and get defensive and not like you. Or they may "submit" themselves to you because they sense that you are more "powerful" than they are etc.

This strong presence can definitely help in establishing yourself as influential-specifically in issues related to the 12th -where you Sun is situated.

Your MC/IC axis as well as your Sun is being transited by Uranus with a conjunction/square aspect respectively.

Uranus on your Sun could suggest a make-over or image change. You will no longer want to talk about the same things or be known for them.

The conjunction with MC/IC opposition suggests some changes in the family/work structure.

Whatever it is, it is likely that circumstances in the living/work environment are not likely to be the same or settle on routine for the time being.

Pluto is sitting on your Moon by square right now and this transit may have come with definitive changes to the area the Moon governs; home-life, diet,emotional capacity,habits, close relationships etc.

Again re-iterating what I mentioned about home life changing....

You could either be feeling very powerful or over-exposed(Pluto). Because your emotional nature(Moon)is very much on fire (Pluto)right now.

So your emotional reactions are likely to be extreme; making those closest to you notice the change in your personality.

If you haven't experienced this yet, in 2016 Pluto will go retrograde and be 1 degree away from squaring your Moon again. So if you are not feeling anything now, you will feel it then.

Either way, these two years are quite definitive for you.

Are you in any way interested in spirituality?

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I have SO much to say about this but I'll reply when I get to my laptop. Just wanted to add that a few years ago, a lady approached me, said she rarely ever does this but that there's something about my aura and asked if I ever got a reading done which I never had. She said I should. I honestly get scared about those kinda things and I seriously thought she was implying that ghosts are around me or something. That's something I'd rather not know about lol

posted October 22, 2015 10:51 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Hi there, my chart ruler is the moon and it is in my 12th along with venus. I am completely bored with regular mundane life. I did corporate America thing and was miserable. I've always felt deep down I was meant to do something special but I have no idea what. I am very much into spirituality and I have a strong intuition.

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posted October 23, 2015 12:14 AM            

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Originally posted by aah08:
I am the same guys my chart ruler and my sun are both in the 12th.
Last year and also this year I've been feeling sad because I wonder whats the purpose on working nonstop all day, and so on..
Like I feel its so depressing but my main struggle is that ok, working is depressing but if I dont do that, then what? I am directionless.
Plus I feel I dont shine in anything I do I feel invisible

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posted October 23, 2015 11:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Readytochill:
I know how you feel! It's been 7 months and this is the longest I've ever stayed with a job! Lol I've felt like working for the rest of my life is pointless but maybe we just need to find a job that makes our heart happy. Usually it's through helping others. Well for me it is. Helping others in way that makes them shine in order for us to shine as well

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Yes, I like to help others. I feel I am very good at giving my friends advice and even empowering them. I read a lot about spirituality because I love it ahd I am able to share what I learn with them and I see them shine and grow but to me is like I feel I keep going down. Its a weird feeling. But yeah I want to find a job that allows me to help people

posted October 23, 2015 12:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Sun being the ruler of the chart situated in the 12th, suggests that you could "shine" in issues related to the 12th; spirituality, psychic ability, intuition and the gift to work out the "hidden" or complex.

The ruler of the 1st being in 12th suggests a rather poetic, idealistic and trans-personal soul.

I understand why you see no pleasure in living a mundane life. Neptune affiliated 12th house tends to want "more".

But this "more" may take your whole life in trying to find. And it may keep you detached from the now.

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Thank you Aries 23, for these insights...I feel they apply to me, too.

My Cap sun is the chart ruler and it's in the 6H; however, my sun is in mutual reception with 12H Leo Saturn.

I've read that mutual reception creates a situation where a planet is there-but-not-there. Almost like a the bilocation of a particle in quantum physics? My sun is there in the 12H, but not there.

posted October 23, 2015 12:16 PM            

This can make you excel in fields involving this house and you may feel the effects on this house more. This is also an old soul indicator. You may have more spiritual experience than others even when you don't realize it. But remember that the 12th house is about what you GIVE BACK. If you use it for your own mischief it'll turn on you....

Best way to master this house is to learn to LET GO. Theres a lot of baggage associated with this house, and the universe is teaching you (as one of your final lessons) to let go and be in the present moment of life regardless of what you may be feeling from past, present, and maybe even future experiences. 12th housers desire peace and freedom, but there is no freedom if you can't learn to appreciate reality and make the best of it. So don't turn into an escapist. Embrace life for what it is and what how incredible things turn out to be..

They say the 12th house is the house of prison. This is because many of us are prisoners and victims of our own thoughts. There is no room for self-pity in this house. If you can't learn to completely and fully LET GO of fear, guilt, and shame then the many spiritual wonders and gifts you have will never be realized and you'll feel trapped forever.

Hidden, and foreign talents and people can also emerge from this house, but looking at other areas of your chart is also important.

posted October 23, 2015 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Dodger, you've got some good thoughts here. Question: what exactly did you mean was an indicator of an old soul? Was it the chart ruler in the 12th or a stellium in the 12th?

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Anyone chart can be an old soul with or without 12th. I was just saying that these positions tend to show that you've had a pretty long, interesting journey.

I believe any heavy 12th influence can reveal/show this. Doesn't necessarily have to be a stellium or chart ruler. It can be both or none