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DopGang
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posted October 27, 2015 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We're often talking about synastry in relationships.

What would you expect to see in the natal chart of someone who, for conscious reasons or not, frequently and/or habitually breaks other people's hearts?

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posted October 27, 2015 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Blues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First, let's distinguish between players and Heartbreakers. Players don't really connect enough to break your heart. They are like fools gold. It never was real to begin with. Heartbreakers connect but don't stick.

First, let's give them a good aspect between the Asc and Venus, Pluto, or Neptune for some attraction.

Then, a hard Venus Moon, Chiron Moon or Neptune Moon aspect. They are looking for an emotional bond but something blocks it.

Finally, Uranus strong in the chart, or Uranus hard aspect to Saturn or Moon. That need for freedom...

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posted October 27, 2015 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jupiter--lots of hard aspects--poor conscience

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posted October 27, 2015 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agree with you Gemini Blues about the distinction.
That is the one I meant, not a "player".

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posted October 27, 2015 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenaia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
First, let's distinguish between players and Heartbreakers. Players don't really connect enough to break your heart. They are like fools gold. It never was real to begin with. Heartbreakers connect but don't stick.

First, let's give them a good aspect between the Asc and Venus, Pluto, or Neptune for some attraction.

Then, a hard Venus Moon, Chiron Moon or Neptune Moon aspect. They are looking for an emotional bond but something blocks it.

Finally, Uranus strong in the chart, or Uranus hard aspect to Saturn or Moon. That need for freedom...


Gemini Blues
You always have such a wonderful and concise way of explaining things.

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posted October 27, 2015 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Re: Conscious heartbreakers.

Some people are practically criminals this way ~ they set out to do damage and derive sadistic pleasure from it.

But who knows what's going on in their minds?

edit

It's not like me to pin this kinda thing on any placement.

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posted October 27, 2015 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
Re: Conscious heartbreakers.

Some people are practically criminals this way ~ they set out to do damage and derive sadistic pleasure from it.

But who knows what's going on in their minds?

Seems like unevolved Scorpio/Pluto/8H.

Especially when squaring Leo, then there may be a desire to leave emotional graffiti on people: "[b]I was here, and I am the one who wrecked this place."

Yeah, great accomplishment.....[/B]


Hmmmmmm I could see that faith my friend who is really handsome I mean very he's quite popular always on facebook people love being around him and so many women like him he has never had a long relationship and he take relationships lightly because he says he's picky he has sun conjunct venus in scorpio square jupiter in leo almost to exact. However he also has pluto opposition moon so this implies he is confused with his own emotions. i don't know how ascendant I still have to ask but yeah. He's a rock n roll kind of a guy LOL.

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posted October 27, 2015 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^ Does he seem to enjoy breaking hearts?

I might've hurt some guys along the way when I was just a young airhead...well they said I did...but I didn't have enough self-esteem to even believe that.

As Gemini Blues said:

quote:
Then, a hard Venus Moon, Chiron Moon or Neptune Moon aspect. They are looking for an emotional bond but something blocks it.

Pisces moon square Neptune, Venus conjunct Neptune...I considered myself a harmless drifter, but not everyone saw me that same way.

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posted October 27, 2015 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
Pisces moon square Neptune, Venus conjunct Neptune...I considered myself a harmless drifter, but not everyone saw me that same way.

Which was probably worse!~~ I'm sorry you had those kinds of people around you. That wasn't right, imo.

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posted October 27, 2015 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wild Horses     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Biggest unintentional heartbreaker I've ever known has:

Libra Asc.
Venus tightly conj. Jupiter
Leo Sun

He's the epitome of that saying 'To know him is to love him'. Women fall in love with him almost against their will. Even gay men fall for him, and he's straight. It's not something he actively tries to do, either. He's just ridiculously easy to love.

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posted October 27, 2015 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel4845     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
^^ Does he seem to enjoy breaking hearts?

I might've hurt some guys along the way when I was just a young airhead...well they said I did...but I didn't have enough self-esteem to even believe that.

As Gemini Blues said:

Pisces moon square Neptune, Venus conjunct Neptune...I considered myself a harmless drifter, but not everyone saw me that same way.


im not sure, i don't think so, i think he is just really into himself and very narcissistic and i feel he's a very good at seducing but then again i don't know who he is truly he's so hard to figure out (scorpio)....

yeah i totally understand what you mean about your moons square your neptune i have that as well. we will have to start a thread and look at each other's natal sometime i' m quite interested to put my thoughts in your natal.

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posted October 27, 2015 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Blues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by athenaia:
Gemini Blues
You always have such a wonderful and concise way of explaining things.

Awww! Thank you!

quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
^^ Does he seem to enjoy breaking hearts?

I might've hurt some guys along the way when I was just a young airhead...well they said I did...but I didn't have enough self-esteem to even believe that.

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Pisces moon square Neptune, Venus conjunct Neptune...I considered myself a harmless drifter, but not everyone saw me that same way.


My Leo Moon is square Scorpio Neptune and Taurus Jupiter. In fact, though I was thinking of others when I wrote it, I'm guilty of a version of all the aspects I listed (Venus trine Asc, Uranus opp Saturn) and the Jupiter square to boot. Never... *never*... did I set out to break any hearts...

No one said finding love was easy...

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posted October 27, 2015 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mother. More like heart destroyer.

1st house pisces sun/venus/asc conjunct.

1st house aries moon - no harsh aspect.

Pluto oppose sun/venus/asc - power play is the theme of her life.

Uranus oppose merc/mars/jupiter - talented, erratic and uncontrollable.

12th house Mercury square 8th house neptune - creative mind, creative words. Bad for people who get caught up in them.

Most of the time, she's admired for her looks and talents/success. Some seem to find it hard to believe that something that beautiful can be anything but good and wholesome.

I thought about throwing dad in as well, but he was more of a player. He just liked toying with people I suppose.

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posted October 27, 2015 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry if this thread has brought back painful memories for a few.

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posted October 27, 2015 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus conjunct Mars square Uranus T Squaring Chiron.


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posted October 27, 2015 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DopGang:
Sorry if this thread has brought back painful memories for a few.

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posted October 27, 2015 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheresthemoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
First, let's distinguish between players and Heartbreakers. Players don't really connect enough to break your heart. They are like fools gold. It never was real to begin with. Heartbreakers connect but don't stick.

First, let's give them a good aspect between the Asc and Venus, Pluto, or Neptune for some attraction.

Then, a hard Venus Moon, Chiron Moon or Neptune Moon aspect. They are looking for an emotional bond but something blocks it.

Finally, Uranus strong in the chart, or Uranus hard aspect to Saturn or Moon. That need for freedom...


This sounds an awful lot like me. Not all the aspects necessarily, but the "wanting a connection but something blocks it." Having a relationship is one of the most awesome things...knowing someone and being completely comfortable with them, feeling their adoration of you. Having someone to do everything with. It's just great!

But something really holds me back. It always ends with me leaving. On one hand I really want it. On the other hand, I get bored. I get restless. And I hate answering to someone. I feel constantly torn between the desire for a connection and the need to keep all my options open. (I think this is a reflection of my 1H Jupiter opposite 7H Saturn). Saturn transiting 5H has magnified this. I feel like I'll never get over it and I'll either be alone forever or hopelessly bored😕

I am a recovering heartbreaker. I used to be one of those ******** who sadistically enjoyed it, but even then I never tried to. I tried to be clear with people about my intentions (or lack thereof) but they allowed themselves to be blinded by false hope, and I never felt that it was my place to tell them to just let it go. Grown people can be responsible for their own feelings.

I do have Venus, Neptune and and Pluto aspects to ascendant. No moon to Uranus, but I do have sun square Uranus and Neptune.

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posted October 27, 2015 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune makes the heartbreaker a sincere dreamer, and dream dealer. Pluto makes him inescapable. Uranus or Chiron are most likely his reason for leaving. And to be a true heartbreaker his heart has to break too.

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posted October 28, 2015 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Blues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Neptune makes the heartbreaker a sincere dreamer, and dream dealer. Pluto makes him inescapable. Uranus or Chiron are most likely his reason for leaving. And to be a true heartbreaker his heart has to break too.

Agreed

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posted October 28, 2015 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mutable moon opposite venus -> "wanting a connection but something blocks it" , my bf once told me that he need someone who he could find many personality in one body. He said, he found me but cheated anyway. He can't help himself to hit & run of women feelings. The way he comes from uncaring family environment (his mother lets him free, his father troubles in alcohol, his sisters do not want to know his life) probably trigger this aspect to play in his life, he searches comfort from women outside the home, he doesn't have some guides to be a better man.

I'm afraid he has venus conjunct asc, since he attracts women very easily like a honey-bee.

sun opposite uranus/saturn
uranus conjunct saturn
moon semisextile neptune
Mars/mercury opposite neptune

EDIT: Mars opposite neptune, one site claimed it is "the planet of idealism (Neptune) challenges the relationship planets. The tension between fantasy and reality creates constant dissatisfaction in relationships."

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posted October 28, 2015 03:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since I've been called one more than a few times...

Aquarius ASC square Pluto (exact)
Uranus in 11th house, at apex of yod
Uranus quincunx Moon (exact)
Uranus quincunx Mars (1 degree orb)
Moon square Venus (1 degree orb)
Venus square Mars (exact)

And:

Pisces intercepted in 1st house
Venus trine Neptune
Venus trine Uranus
Neptune conjunct chart ruler

Heartbreakers usually don't do it intentionally...players, yes, but not heartbreakers. And they usually end up breaking their own heart in the process...if that's any comfort to anyone.

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posted October 28, 2015 07:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow.

I've been surprised with some of the answers and discover just how many I have. I just wanted to toss the line out and see what came back.
I am one, no question. I always blamed it exclusively on Venus square Neptune but now I see it's way beyond that simply because many times I don't have to work for it at all. It just falls in my lap. I'm not even really attractive. It's like, an invisible energy.

The last one that happened just had me thinking about it. It made me feel kind of like a monster. Nothing overwhelming guilt wise. Just a twist in vision. I've never had guilt at all before that. So it's been a new experience.

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Faith
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posted October 28, 2015 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@mirage
Long stories, but I guess I was at fault.

@angel
I'll post my chart in Interpersonal Astrology for you.

@Gemini Blues

quote:
Never... *never*... did I set out to break any hearts...

That's nice to know! You and I seem to have a lot of the same aspects. And I wish we could trade Neptunes.

@DopGang
We all make mistakes. :-/

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