posted November 22, 2015 12:05 PM            

Almost all of these are true for me..
My natal Saturn is Rx in Aquarius which is supposed to be a good position sogn for Saturn, Uranus that rules my 8th H is in 6th.

posted November 22, 2015 02:14 PM            

I feel like I've already gine up hopes for something good. I've lost my dad, i have health problems and I feel like they will never be ok. I won't be able to work because of my health problem. So.. I am almost 25 years old.. I feel like I am 60+ years old.
I don't know how to explain it.. but it's like I feel that I will have a very difficult life in every aspect.. I feel like I am so bored of everything already.. and don't even uderstand what's the point of living such a difficult life.
Saturn does not make any aspects to other planets.. the closest is the opposition with Jupiter (almost 10 orbs apart)

But what was that asteroid report you've been talking about?

posted November 22, 2015 02:31 PM            

I could not stand a very long life.
Especially a difficult long life.
And I don't expect others to help me..
But I can not stand the fact that if I've ever be with someone in a kind of love relationship he will be poor and he'll try to be fed by my money.. I am not that kind of person..
I prefer being alone than being in a relationship with someone that wants my money.. Especially since I am a woman..
Women have to everything in this world..
Men just have to make some money..
If they can not capable even for feeding themselves.. then..

Do you have Saturn in 8th Orange?

posted November 22, 2015 04:14 PM            

And yes, this is a VERY challenging aspect to have.

You have to learn self-reliance. Help will come from others, but only when you're not expecting it and usually after you put your arse to the grind and do the work or sincerely attempt to do the work yourself.

You will take death very seriously. You will take life very seriously. You will delve into the mysteries of life and death. As with everything Saturnian, Saturn will reward your work late in life.

posted November 22, 2015 04:18 PM            

A good partner will be someone usually older or with a lot of maturity or in position of authority, who is HARD working and also self-reliant. I don't know your chart, but often times, you are only able to appreciate someone like that later in life.

posted November 22, 2015 05:53 PM            

Helloo
Though the point of this post was to gather others' experiences to see if they feel the same and not to concetrate on my experience..
Here is my chart..

I like mature and serious people
but again.. I can not trust anyone..
I had not any bad experiences from family, friends etc.. I am just feeling that no man in this world is stable and loyal enough for me.. I feel like everyone at some point will cheat on me.. (not just on me.. but I feel that all women will be cheated on by everyone, no exceptions..) I can not trust people in general.. Most people are too shallow for me..
I can have a nice conversation with women like twenty or thirty years older than me.. Again not all of them are mature enough for their age .. But I feel like older men are honestly more immature than the younger ones.. Maturity does not come with aging most of the times..

posted November 22, 2015 06:08 PM            

I feel so sorry about your chronic illness
Did this placement affected your intimate relationships? Like being a late bloomer etc?

My main problem has to do with my heart..
(Lord of the 6th H Jupiter (excess) in Leo (heart) and Uranus (sudden) in 6th H (of health) give me sudden SVT episodes.. my situation got worse because I have all day long episodes so I get tired very easily..

posted November 22, 2015 06:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Orange

I could not stand a very long life.
Especially a difficult long life.
And I don't expect others to help me..
But I can not stand the fact that if I've ever be with someone in a kind of love relationship he will be poor and he'll try to be fed by my money.. I am not that kind of person..
I prefer being alone than being in a relationship with someone that wants my money.. Especially since I am a woman..
Women have to everything in this world..
Men just have to make some money..
If they can not capable even for feeding themselves.. then..

Do you have Saturn in 8th Orange?

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no, honey, I do not have Saturn in the 8th. I have Venus and JUpiter there.

posted November 22, 2015 08:28 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Belage

Helloo
Though the point of this post was to gather others' experiences to see if they feel the same and not to concetrate on my experience..
Here is my chart..

I like mature and serious people
but again.. I can not trust anyone..
I had not any bad experiences from family, friends etc.. I am just feeling that no man in this world is stable and loyal enough for me.. I feel like everyone at some point will cheat on me.. (not just on me.. but I feel that all women will be cheated on by everyone, no exceptions..) I can not trust people in general.. Most people are too shallow for me..
I can have a nice conversation with women like twenty or thirty years older than me.. Again not all of them are mature enough for their age .. But I feel like older men are honestly more immature than the younger ones.. Maturity does not come with aging most of the times..

Anyway I had nod had any kind of intimate relationship until now and I don't think I'll have for manay many years, because the more I am growing up the less I feel the need for a relationship that will end up with me being cheated on or losing money in one way or another. I don't want kids or to be married.. so there is no reason for a.relationship..
But if I have to live I need to be healthy and to have money.. because otherwise life has not meaning.

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Anyway, you express a lot of gloomy stuff about men, cheating and relationships, and I think it's Saturn talking as Saturn also represents fear. Saturn issues take a loooonnnnnggggg time to integrate so eventually, as you learn to understand yourself and others more, you will let go of some or most of your extreme fears. Men are not creatures from other planets. Not all men cheat, and many women cheat too, so regardless of what you see in the media, cheating is not a gender thing.

You say you trust no one. Ask yourself this, are you trustworthy? If you say yes, are you implying you are the only person in this whole world or in your area of the world who is trustworty? That's very unrealistic. Again, you need to have a more realistic view of the world and of people. Trust must be earned. That doesn't mean you need to put people through the grinder to prove they are trustworthy. It means that you must learn to open your eyes and look at people's actions to see if they truly match what they tell you. While Saturn represents fear, it can also if properly understood, help keep you grounded in reality instead of fear.

On the cusp of your 7th, you have Uranus and Neptune, so in a way you have these rebellious and nihilistic attitudes (I don't want kids or to be married) etc... The thing is, you have North Node also conjunct Neptune and Uranus in the 7th, so being in a relationship or partnership or marriage is inevitable, and as pluto will be conjuncting those planets, in the years to come, expect BIG transformation in the way you relate to that house.

posted November 22, 2015 10:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
PlutoSurvivor

I feel like I've already gine up hopes for something good. I've lost my dad, i have health problems and I feel like they will never be ok. I won't be able to work because of my health problem. So.. I am almost 25 years old.. I feel like I am 60+ years old.
I don't know how to explain it.. but it's like I feel that I will have a very difficult life in every aspect.. I feel like I am so bored of everything already.. and don't even uderstand what's the point of living such a difficult life.
Saturn does not make any aspects to other planets.. the closest is the opposition with Jupiter (almost 10 orbs apart)

But what was that asteroid report you've been talking about?

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You posted your chart here and I noticed you have asteroids and some planets on difficult degrees. in equal house you do not have an 8H Saturn after all, so not to worry you do not have the worst placement. But, I think the difficulties you describe are due to Capricorn north node, other placements and Pluto at nearly 18 degrees on the point of Serpentis, also opposite the node to Mars. I think you have a very special purpose here on earth which may be hidden due to your Sun in 12H and rising sign on fixed Star Sirius. Your Soul represented by Psyche is on the Node of Saturn which is a very depressing degree. With a Sun in Cancer and Mercury in the same sign as Sun (and conjunct Chiron), there must be a lot of mental unrest and Sun in 12H can bring suicidal thoughts. I think you have a bigger purpose than you know, so hang in there.

7H Saturn is also very challenging and in combination with asteroid Karma in Gemini and Cap NN there are trust/ignorance issues and family dependency issues. With Cap NN your soul wants you to be independent and release dependency from or to others. You may have a tendency to offer help to others up to the point of bringing them to complete independence from or to you by withholding key points of information. This may be unconscious to you, but I've experienced this only with Cap NN people.
Personal experience with 7H Saturn folks... They usually see relationships as business arrangements, wanting others to take care of them, or cheating them out of resources. Lots of arguments if they marry young. You have Neptune in 7H bringing illusions in the way of relationships. It's difficult to trust that others will help you feel secure, so you are feeling like you are on your own. You have to know that you have a very strong survival instinct and perseverance to come through in the end with very successful and fulfilling relationships so please don't give up now.

posted November 22, 2015 11:37 PM            

Woooww
Could you possibly post your father's natal chart??

Yungang-grotto

I do not know if it will be a passing feeling (I really hope so for you) but fir me it's been 6 years
Of course Saturn in the 8th was not my only problem..

posted November 23, 2015 12:27 AM            

I know women cheat too.. but it's not that usual.. Infortunately I am not affected by the media, but by reality.. because of my aunt's job I've known so so many people.. It's unbelievable that all women have been cheated on by their men/husbands etc.. unfortunately I have made all of my friends break up with their boyfriends too.. because I try to open their eyes so that they can step out of their romantic dreamy world.. I am quit good in computers so I install a spy softwafe on their boufriends' laptop.. Everytime and I mean EVERYtime they are chatting with other girls and after online chatting they are dating with them.. and guess what they are doing..
So unfortunately I am always right when it comes to cheating.. :/

I am not trusting anyone in intimate relationships.. I mean.. men may cheat and feel no guilt at all.. they say things they don't mean just to have sex with you.. their feelings change a lot easier and quicker.. that means that they don't have such deep/serious feelings.. at least not as much as they describe them..
I've found trustworthy people both men and women but just for friends.. not intimate relationships.. I know how to test someone and see if he is worthy of my trust or not..
And usually my guts are right..

To be honest I've never wanted to be married
I don't get why most women dream of that day..
I do not even like wedding dresses..

As for children I find them cute and for some reason children seem to love me.. that doesn't mean I want mine though.. Sorry for saying this, but being pregnancy and breastfeeding make me wanna puke.. I feel disgusted when I see pregnant women.. I also find it very difficult and depressing to have a child..
Because children mean the end of your freedom and generally the end of existing for yourself.. The idea of having a child makes me wanna kill myself.. like I can get enough air to breath..

I was really wondering though..
I thought North node in the 7th H (meaning South node in the 1st H) means that I don't need to be in a relationship. But in fact exactly the opposite.. I am indepedent and I feel complete by myself.. this rings so true for me.. Sun in 12th house shows the same.. Sun opposition Uranus again the same..
I also thought that Neptune in my 7th H
show bad marriages.. I thought it would really help me on feeling complete by myself because I have high standars.. As for Uranus to be honest the description of Uranus in the 6th H describes me so so great..
I am a lonely person.. I need so much time by myself.. I feel so happy about this.. the best company for me is myself.. And when is so difficult to find a nice person for a nice and steady intimate relationship.. being alone and happy is the best thing that can happen

I hope T. Pluto does not change the way I see relationships I feel quite happy about the way I see it and geel about it now

posted November 23, 2015 02:05 AM            

I don't know a thing about asteroids
So I don't have an opinion
But those things you told me are very interesting
I am.sorry about the silly question but I don't know who Iq is and how to quote you to him :S

Hmm if I have a special purpose here on earth but it is hidden then what's the point if I do not ever learn about it?
And what if I don't like at all the special purpose I have?

It's so accurate that I see marriage as business arragement.. and I need the other one to take care of me just in things I can not take care.of myself because when I do it myself my mood gets really bad.. those are rutine things.. cooking is one of the hardest things for me.. I can not spend and hour a day for cooking and preparing food etc.. It makes me feel depressed just thinking about it..
But I don't think anyone could do it for me so I'll try to get money so that I can buy ready food..
Indeed I am always feeling like I am on my own.. I don't want to end up in a relationship.. as I am getting older there is no point for it to happen.. One reason is because I feel ok and calm on my own..
I don't like being dependent on others even emotionally.. in the end I'll end up alone again, because nothing lasts for a long time so it doesn't worth the fuss at all.
And the second reason is now that I am getting older if I would ever enter a serious relationshop the other one would want marriage and family eventually.. so again I would breal up with him because I don't want something like that.. it's a nightmare for me..
So no point for a relationship at all..

posted November 23, 2015 04:29 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:

I like mature and serious people
but again.. I can not trust anyone..
I had not any bad experiences from family, friends etc.. I am just feeling that no man in this world is stable and loyal enough for me.. I feel like everyone at some point will cheat on me.. (not just on me.. but I feel that all women will be cheated on by everyone, no exceptions..) I can not trust people in general.. Most people are too shallow for me..
I can have a nice conversation with women like twenty or thirty years older than me.. Again not all of them are mature enough for their age ..

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Completely agree with you, Saturn makes you want or desire the mature/serious kind.

quote:

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:

But I feel like older men are honestly more immature than the younger ones.. Maturity does not come with aging most of the times..

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One thing I have noticed is alot of younger men (18-27) strive to try to look and act older than their age. So they will try to be more responible and mature, but most rarely achieve this.

Older men however have already learnt or got past the maturity barrier and because they have already got passed their peak, will start to loosen up and express a more immature expression (As they have nothing to lose!)

It's quite ironic, people younger try to be older; people older try to be younger!

It's all in the mind...

posted November 23, 2015 07:48 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
PlutoSurvivor

I am.sorry about the silly question but I don't know who Iq is and how to quote you to him

Hmm if I have a special purpose here on earth but it is hidden then what's the point if I do not ever learn about it?
And what if I don't like at all the special purpose I have?

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posted November 23, 2015 09:12 AM            

- She has been forced in life to do everything alone. She doesn't rely on anyone and she doesn't expect anything from anyone. This is a sad lonely placement I think.
-She has a distant, cold father who never said to her that he loves her.
- She had problems with sex
- Couple of years ago she had some issues with taxes
- Poor husband and bad marriage life..Yes, yes yes, it was a horrible marriage, full of violence, alcohol and etc
- but I have to say that she has managed to create a very good life for herself and her children even tho she had a lot of struggles in life.

posted November 23, 2015 10:17 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Ayelet

I feel so sorry about your chronic illness
Did this placement affected your intimate relationships? Like being a late bloomer etc?

My main problem has to do with my heart..
(Lord of the 6th H Jupiter (excess) in Leo (heart) and Uranus (sudden) in 6th H (of health) give me sudden SVT episodes.. my situation got worse because I have all day long episodes so I get tired very easily..

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Hi PlutOnian2,
I am not a medicine woman. I read a bit about SVT but that's about that. Have you read "Star Signs"? I think that maybe through meditations and specific yoga exercises you might get relief, but I have no idea, perhaps I am talking nonsense but I truly believe there is a cure for almost every situation.

If you read "Star Signs" you also know about karmic influence and what to do.

As for me, it is a situation I cannot resolve, and because of it I am determined not to get into a love relationship. As for being a late bloomer, my first rationship started when I was 24. Does that mean I am a late bloomer? Anyway, I don't believe in age, so... and after my condition has deteriorated (some time after this relationship has ended) I have decided marriage or romance are out of the question. I also cannot be pregnant with what I am taking right now, so!

posted November 23, 2015 12:40 PM            

I get what you're saying, but let's say I don't care that much about how they act..
I care about being mature internally, taking life seriously..
You see so many men at their 40s and 50s living with their mothers because they don't bother to find a job..
Now here in my country is difficult to.find a job, but this situation began in 2009.
Which means that 30 years old men and older had soo many chances to find a good job but they just didn't give a ****..
I would be so ashamed if I was a man in my 30s or older and did not have a job..
even a not good paying job is better than no job..
I mean sorry for saying that in this way but.. women do everything in this world, men are almost useless..
Women work, they keep the house clean, they cook, they give birth to children and they take care of them alone in fact because dads are like a decorative object.. taking care of youselr as a woman is like 1000 times more difficult than taking care of yourself when being a man.. (even our hair needs like 30 minutes to get dry if medium length.. let alone applying creams serums makeup yada yada yada) and in the end of the day we should have enough energy to have sex with our husbands that were sitting like all day long.. waiting for everything to be ready.. just to get cheated on in the end because your husband got bored.. I mean wtf? It's like even nature os against us.. we are getting fatter a lot easier we have periods we get all kind of sexual diseases so easily we are in danger to get raped.. I mean there is not a reason a sexual toy is not better than a man.. no danger of getting diseases, or prefnant, or unsatisfied.. Most men now do not even make money for themselves here in my country.. let alone to make money for their women or family etc..
Again sorry for being harsh but honestly,
it's rediculus how men have become.. I feel like they don't even deserve to be called men..
I got a little carried away with my feminist thoughts hehe :P
I've only fallen for Scorpios with some planets in Capricorn.. Scorpio = deep intense emotional and serious.. Capricorn = serious steady hardworking

PlutoSurvivor

Thank you I'll try to get in contact with IQ.
Hmm I have many many difficult aspects coming from transits progression etc for like at least 10 years coming.. hehe
I just want me and my mom to be healthy so I can find a job and make money, the more the money the more happy I'll get..
But I don't even know if I'll be able to overpass this heart problem because surgery is not that much a success for most people.. so..
Again thanks PlutoSurvivor

Curiouspisces89

Your mother has same placement and sign with me.. so I guess I'll experience all that too.
But what you mean she has managed to create a good life for herself and her children?
I mean her life doesn't sound good at all.

Ayelet

I haven't read Star Signs
If my surgery is not sucessful then there is no other way to get read of my problem

Hmm so you are indeed a late bloomer..
At least in my country starting a relationship after 20 for the first time means you are late bloomer.. hehe

It's sad that you can do nothing to improve your situation
I hope you are at least a loner and you don't want children and marriage, like me ???
That would make it a lot easier for you

posted November 23, 2015 02:47 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Plut0nian2:
Belage

I know women cheat too.. but it's not that usual.. Infortunately I am not affected by the media, but by reality.. because of my aunt's job I've known so so many people.. It's unbelievable that all women have been cheated on by their men/husbands etc.. unfortunately I have made all of my friends break up with their boyfriends too.. because I try to open their eyes so that they can step out of their romantic dreamy world.. I am quit good in computers so I install a spy softwafe on their boufriends' laptop.. Everytime and I mean EVERYtime they are chatting with other girls and after online chatting they are dating with them.. and guess what they are doing..
So unfortunately I am always right when it comes to cheating.. :/

I am not trusting anyone in intimate relationships.. I mean.. men may cheat and feel no guilt at all.. they say things they don't mean just to have sex with you.. their feelings change a lot easier and quicker.. that means that they don't have such deep/serious feelings.. at least not as much as they describe them..
I've found trustworthy people both men and women but just for friends.. not intimate relationships.. I know how to test someone and see if he is worthy of my trust or not..
And usually my guts are right..

To be honest I've never wanted to be married
I don't get why most women dream of that day..
I do not even like wedding dresses..

As for children I find them cute and for some reason children seem to love me.. that doesn't mean I want mine though.. Sorry for saying this, but being pregnancy and breastfeeding make me wanna puke.. I feel disgusted when I see pregnant women.. I also find it very difficult and depressing to have a child..
Because children mean the end of your freedom and generally the end of existing for yourself.. The idea of having a child makes me wanna kill myself.. like I can get enough air to breath..

I was really wondering though..
I thought North node in the 7th H (meaning South node in the 1st H) means that I don't need to be in a relationship. But in fact exactly the opposite.. I am indepedent and I feel complete by myself.. this rings so true for me.. Sun in 12th house shows the same.. Sun opposition Uranus again the same..
I also thought that Neptune in my 7th H
show bad marriages.. I thought it would really help me on feeling complete by myself because I have high standars.. As for Uranus to be honest the description of Uranus in the 6th H describes me so so great..
I am a lonely person.. I need so much time by myself.. I feel so happy about this.. the best company for me is myself.. And when is so difficult to find a nice person for a nice and steady intimate relationship.. being alone and happy is the best thing that can happen

I hope T. Pluto does not change the way I see relationships I feel quite happy about the way I see it and geel about it now

I don't believe Saturn has to do with my health problem either.. My problem is a problem I have since I was born according to the doctor.. It's a kind of tachycardia + arrythmia.. Unfortunately my symptoms are severe.. that's why I am not able to work and do things normal people can do..
My heart problem is described greatly by the 6th's H lord Jupiter (excess) in Leo (heart) and natal Uranus in 6th H (symptoms start and stop suddenly out of nowhere.. and the problem itself has to do with the electric system of the heart not the heart itself)
Unfortunately I'll have to do a surgery

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Seek and ye shall find. If you look for proofs of infidelity, you will surely find them. I am not going to debate with your Saturn right now because it's useless. Like I said before, Saturn issues take a very long time to integrate.

with your NN in 7th house, conjunct unusual planets like Uranus and Neptune, and Pluto about to march its way into this stellium, your life is about to change. Are you thinking of starting a detective business for wives who suspect their husbands of cheating? That would fit your 7th house aspects pretty well.

posted November 23, 2015 02:58 PM            

Her life has been very difficult not for only this placement but she has Pluto conjunct Her IC :/

But thanks to her other placements she had managed to survive all of it and stay positive and strong. She had a very good job, she has two children so me and my brother which are her world and she had been a very good mother to us. Everuthing that she has imagined she has managed to make to come true and now she has a very good life and she is happy which makes me very happy to say that.

She has stelium in Aquarius and moon in Aries so she is one strong lady