posted December 10, 2015 10:15 PM            

For example..
If Chiron is opposite your Mars, do you think that whenever you assert yourself in situations (house placement is crucial here of course) you are often thwarted by deep self-doubt internally? Or people rise up to critique your methods in unnecessarily harsh ways that linger in your memory for a long time? Or do you feel that "courting"/boundaries are something you have to work very hard at, but when you succeed, it's a major psychological triumph?

Or like...
If Chiron is conjunct your Venus, would you say that romantic rejection burns into your future experiences and you feel very hesitant for future interactions?

But also..

Do you come out of these situations like a champion, having slayed against these past instances of self-doubt and thus do you feel like a new person having phoenixed through Chiron's karmic lesson?

posted December 11, 2015 07:53 AM            

Hmm I'd say that love doesn't bring me pain, pursuing my goals doesn't, establishing myself doesn't, being myself doesn't.

It's not easy though. Set backs in personal goals, having to fight for freedom over my life, endure for love, etc...

There have been considerable difficulties, either people creating troubles, me shooting myself in the foot (lol this is rare though), or just general random misfortunes. This could also be attribute to saturn influence in my chart.

While those experiences were indeed painful, they didn't exactly leave enough damages to cripple me. Idk, in some ways I sort of accept that those things can happen sometimes, I try to deal to the best of my ability - it's like gambling, losses are inevitable and they don't stop me from wanting to roll the dice again and again.

A certain mix of anxiety, self-doubt and worry is always there. Mingled with excitement and a myriad of other feelings. I'd say that I "play" for the pleasure of playing, and because of the hope of winning. Not because I believe that I will always win.

posted December 11, 2015 08:50 AM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Would you say that.. for whatever planet Chiron is aspecting (whether a conjunction/opposition/inconjunction/square etc) that trauma or healing becomes a prevalent theme with that planet/axis?

For example..
If Chiron is opposite your Mars, do you think that whenever you assert yourself in situations (house placement is crucial here of course) you are often thwarted by deep self-doubt internally? Or people rise up to critique your methods in unnecessarily harsh ways that linger in your memory for a long time? Or do you feel that "courting"/boundaries are something you have to work very hard at, but when you succeed, it's a major psychological triumph?

Do you come out of these situations like a champion, having slayed against these past instances of self-doubt and thus do you feel like a new person having phoenixed through Chiron's karmic lesson?

I would love to hear your experiences!

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posted December 12, 2015 04:11 AM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Do you come out of these situations like a champion, having slayed against these past instances of self-doubt and thus do you feel like a new person having phoenixed through Chiron's karmic lesson?

I would love to hear your experiences!

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Yes. And so much so, I plan to get my first tattoo (at 37 years old) of a droid-like Phoenix with a broken wing rising from smoke.

I have Chiron trine Sun, trine Mercury, opposing Venus, squaring Jupiter, trine Saturn, opposing Uranus, and conjunct MC.

posted December 12, 2015 05:50 AM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
But also..

Do you come out of these situations like a champion, having slayed against these past instances of self-doubt and thus do you feel like a new person having phoenixed through Chiron's karmic lesson?

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Yes but like Chiron, it is a slow process.

I have Chiron in Cancer/6th house opposite Saturn Rx in Capricorn/12th house.

I feel like there's a lot of Chiron-centric issues that I've had to deal with in my life, so I will pick just one to discuss here.

My grandmother's Pluto in Cancer is conjunct my Chiron. With Gemini Moon and some nice Jupiter sextiles, I don't normally let the opinions of other people bother me. I'm pretty resilient like that. If I don't like I what I hear, I let it roll off my back. I certainly don't dwell on it for hours, days or even years.

But my grandmother is different. She is very, very critical of nearly every part of my life. In fact, if I want to protect a part of my life from her criticism, I just don't tell her about it. Unfortunately with Chiron in 6th, it was my body and my health that she went after when I was a child. I dealt with body image issues, teetered on the edge of developing an ED because of her opinions. I constantly turned sideways in the mirror to examine my stomach. I counted calories, exercised way too much. I even fear becoming romantically involved with anyone out of fear that they would view my body the same way she had. Her favorite saying is/was: "You would be perfect if you just lost ____ pounds." Can you imagine saying something like that to a Virgo child? I beat myself up for years over this.

For me, the only way that I could give myself a chance to properly heal is to just remove myself from the situation. I moved as far away as I possibly could and surprise! I felt immensely better. (The opportunity to do so did not present itself until T Chiron in Pisces and T Saturn in Scorpio were both trine my natal Chiron. T Chiron was also opposite my Virgo Sun at the time.) I am still hyperaware of my body at times, but it's not nearly as bad as it once was. I allow myself to gain weight, because that is what my body naturally does from time to time. I stopped worrying about every bit of food that goes in my mouth. If I eat healthy food, it's because I want to, not because my grandmother berated me to.