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ChildofVenus
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posted December 13, 2015 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm confused are both of these the same? Do you need the correct birth time to see aspects to the IC I know you need the birth time for the ASC aspects.

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posted December 13, 2015 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You need the correct timing for a chart to see all the calculated points -- MC/IC, Asc/DC, house lines, etc. Those are the points that must be calculated by an astrologer or astrology software. (Astronomers find the planet positions for us (NASA, JPL).)

But no, the Ascendant is not the same as the IC. Ascendant means the point where the ecliptic (Sun's path) meets the eastern horizon. You will only find it by looking at the eastern horizon wherever the Sun rises on that given day. In your chart it represents you, the personality the embodied human.

The IC is Latin for Imum Coeli, literally 'the lowest heaven', or undersky (as opposed to MC Medium Coeli or 'middle heaven.' In your chart, IC is your most private life/family connections/roots, the MC, your most public life/goals/aspirations in the world.

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posted December 13, 2015 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So because I used my correct birth time only aspects to my IC would be correct?
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You need the correct timing for a chart to see [b]all the calculated points -- MC/IC, Asc/DC, house lines, etc. Those are the points that must be calculated by an astrologer or astrology software. (Astronomers find the planet positions for us (NASA, JPL).)

But no, the Ascendant is not the same as the IC. Ascendant means the point where the ecliptic (Sun's path) meets the eastern horizon. You will only find it by looking at the eastern horizon wherever the Sun rises on that given day. In your chart it represents you, the personality the embodied human.

The IC is Latin for Imum Coeli, literally 'the lowest heaven', or undersky (as opposed to MC Medium Coeli or 'middle heaven.' In your chart, IC is your most private life/family connections/roots, the MC, your most public life/goals/aspirations in the world.

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posted December 13, 2015 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I used my correct birth time but I don't know the other guys time of birth. I'm trying to figure out if it's saying that his Venus is on my IC or if it's my Venus on his IC. He's the person on the outside. If it's his Venus on my IC would that aspect be accurate since I used my correct birth time?


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posted December 13, 2015 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol I JUST posted a thread on this

Yes theres a huge difference between the two.

Our ASC reveals our circumstances in life and where they come from (DC)

Our IC reveals the cause and reasoning for our existence and where it belongs..

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posted December 13, 2015 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok but is this chart showing that my Venus is on his IC? He's the outside If so that wouldn't be accurate since I don't know his real birth time?
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Lol I JUST posted a thread on this

Yes theres a huge difference between the two.

Our ASC reveals our circumstances in life and where they come from (DC)

Our IC reveals the cause and reasoning for our existence and where it belongs..


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posted December 13, 2015 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ok but is this chart showing that my Venus is on his IC? He's the outside If so that wouldn't be accurate since I don't know his real birth time?

According to your chart the answer is yes

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posted December 13, 2015 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But because I don't know his birth time that's not accurate even though I used my correct birth time? I Thought it was his Venus on my IC
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According to your chart the answer is yes

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posted December 13, 2015 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
But because I don't know his birth time that's not accurate even though I used my correct birth time? I Thought it was his Venus on my IC

His is on your ASC cusp

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posted December 14, 2015 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it a square or conjunction? Also what does that mean? I didn't know I had a ASC cusp my ASC is in LEO.
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His is on your ASC cusp

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posted December 14, 2015 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geez confusion upon confusion ...

ChildofVenus - since it is obvious you got this chart at astro.com it also seems obvious that you entered a time, perhaps noon for him. Don't do that. You're creating your own confusion. Enter 'time unknown' before you cast anyone's chart. That way it will not calculate points like Asc, MC, IC, etc.

I suggest you get to know your chart. While you may still have some learning to do about what it means, at least you'll be working with your birth time, and your personal questions about you and your life.

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posted December 14, 2015 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can't do a synastry chart without a birth time on astro.com. You said having his birth time doesn't make a difference anyway.
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Geez confusion upon confusion ...

ChildofVenus - since it is obvious you got this chart at astro.com it also seems obvious that you entered a time, perhaps noon for him. Don't do that. You're creating your own confusion. Enter 'time unknown' before you cast anyone's chart. That way it will not calculate points like Asc, MC, IC, etc.

I suggest you get to know [b]your chart. While you may still have some learning to do about what it means, at least you'll be working with your birth time, and your personal questions about you and your life.

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posted December 14, 2015 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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But no, the Ascendant is not the same as the IC.

True.

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Ascendant means the point where the ecliptic (Sun's path) meets the eastern horizon. You will only find it by looking at the eastern horizon wherever the Sun rises on that given day. In your chart it represents you, the personality the embodied human.

More confusion here, Mr. Astrologer.

The Asc (ascendant) is the individual being born. The Asc Sign / Rising Sign is the zodiac sign on the eastern horizon at the moment that person is being born.

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posted December 14, 2015 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ChildofVenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does Venus on the ASC cusp mean?
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More confusion here, Mr. Astrologer.

The Asc (ascendant) is the individual being born. The Asc Sign / Rising Sign is the zodiac sign on the eastern horizon at the moment that person is being born.


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