posted December 14, 2015 09:01 PM            

VERY interesting... the Moon/Venus/Nodes formula as described on this site fits my views PERFECTLY. For cultural/social views I have Moon sextile Neptune, ruler of the 4th Jupiter trine Neptune and South Node, Neptune in the 4th, Moon's rulers Pluto and Mars each sextiling Neptune, and Neptune parallel the IC, and for economics I have Venus opposite Neptune and the North Node parallel the 2nd house cusp. I am VERY socially liberal, while economically mixed but leaning left. I've tried this formula out on people I know and it also works... VERY interesting.

posted December 14, 2015 11:40 PM            

Venus conjunct NN darn near exact. Free markets good! At most, governments should act as referees to keep markets honest.

posted December 15, 2015 12:10 AM            

I lean left, but am unsure about the aspects in my natal chart.

• Pallas sits at 28 degrees Aquarius while my Sun sits at 11 degrees Aquarius.
  
• Pallas is square my Moon and Jupiter (chart ruler), forming a T-Square.
  
• Pallas is conjunct my North Node and semi-sextile Mercury.

Aquarius is ruled by Saturn and Uranus; I'm Capricorn-dominant with Uranus sitting directly on my Sun/Moon midpoint.

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Pallas in disharmonious aspect to Jupiter, in any aspect to Pluto, or in a stronger aspect to the South Node than to the North Node ("Aggressive Pallas") tends to increase a native's philosophically aggressive or authoritarian tendencies.

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I have no idea. :S

posted December 15, 2015 01:54 AM            

• Pallas Rx and Moon (both 10th House Libra) are closely conjunct each other. My True Node also lies in the same sign and house.

• Both Pallas Rx and Moon are also closely trine Venus (7th House Gemini).

• Moon biquintile Mercury (6th House Taurus) EXACT.

• Venus biquintile Neptune (2nd House Capricorn)

• Jupiter (2nd House Capricorn) semisquare Pluto (12th House Sagittarius) EXACT; closely square True Node

• Saturn (4th House Aries) closely trine Pluto

posted December 15, 2015 06:57 PM            

I have been voting since 1988, and I was a political activist before I began voting. My politics has gone from far right to what some would consider far left.
I would describe myself in Alan L. Lin's (zot.net) terms as 'principled progressive', yet I am not 'authoritarian' in any way in my politics. I despise hierarchies in any form, economic or otherwise.

Mr. Lin's libertarian-capitalist bias is revealed plainly within this statement:

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... While "Fluid Venus" is present in nearly all the charts of leftists in this sample, it is not a reliable indicator that the native will adhere to leftist economics. Many natives with the pattern will shift to non-interventionist economics after a comparative study of economic systems ...

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I did the exact opposite, going from 'libertarian' non-interventionist economics when I was young and stupid to more and more support of intervention against policies of capitalist collusion against democratic interests.

In addition, I have Moon in aspect to North Node and in the 4th house, a factor he says indicating 'cultural conservatism.' I was born into it, but couldn't be further from it now.

Mr. Lin seems to lean heavily on an off the shelf notion of right vs left in some ways, apparently priding himself on being in some ideological middle ground (wrong). However, he does show a better than average understanding of politics, at least in terms of election cycle or partisan alignments.

Since human beings are moving targets of ongoing development, using set particulars, especially relying so heavily on a single asteroid particular like Pallas to determine their politics is simply not credible with me. Notice how Mr. Lin uses the word 'tends' so often in his descriptions of the influences of Pallas in aspect to planets. Where there are patterns there are going to be significant exceptions with human beings.

You have to ask yourself what is the purpose here? To nail people into boxes of fixed perspective? To suggest that astrology sets your politics at birth? To just show tendencies? To create self-awareness?

And what is the purpose of getting such information -- for you, now?

I gained little if anything from it. I could school Mr. Lin on economics and politics.

posted January 13, 2016 10:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Attempting to attach a particular type of politics to a person because of factors in their birth chart assumes the person is static and does not learn. Personal politics is part of one's world view and interface with society [b]which can change as one matures and learns.

I have been voting since 1988, and I was a political activist before I began voting. My politics has gone from far right to what some would consider far left.
I would describe myself in Alan L. Lin's (zot.net) terms as 'principled progressive', yet I am not 'authoritarian' in any way in my politics. I despise hierarchies in any form, economic or otherwise.

Mr. Lin's libertarian-capitalist bias is revealed plainly within this statement:
I did the exact opposite, going from 'libertarian' non-interventionist economics when I was young and stupid to more and more support of intervention against policies of capitalist collusion against democratic interests.

In addition, I have Moon in aspect to North Node and in the 4th house, a factor he says indicating 'cultural conservatism.' I was born into it, but couldn't be further from it now.

Mr. Lin seems to lean heavily on an off the shelf notion of right vs left in some ways, apparently priding himself on being in some ideological middle ground (wrong). However, he does show a better than average understanding of politics, at least in terms of election cycle or partisan alignments.

Since human beings are moving targets of ongoing development, using set particulars, especially relying so heavily on a single asteroid particular like Pallas to determine their politics is simply not credible with me. Notice how Mr. Lin uses the word 'tends' so often in his descriptions of the influences of Pallas in aspect to planets. Where there are patterns there are going to be significant exceptions with human beings.

You have to ask yourself what is the purpose here? To nail people into boxes of fixed perspective? To suggest that astrology sets your politics at birth? To just show tendencies? To create self-awareness?

And what is the purpose of getting such information -- for you, now?

I gained little if anything from it. I could school Mr. Lin on economics and politics.

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posted January 14, 2016 04:25 AM            

I tested the Moon/Mars formula, and I have equal aspects to my Moon and Mars (though I do resonate more with the Moon stage than the Mars stage), while a very conservative person I know has minimal Mars aspects... very interesting nonetheless.

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't think you can see political views, as you really cannot see character. These are choices and values. These are not shown, I don't think. One can see how HARD it may be to have good character in some charts and it really is in some charts.

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posted January 14, 2016 11:27 AM            

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Originally posted by unforgiven_soul:
I think it's asteroid Liar conjunct Sun, fits perfect to the politicians lol!

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posted January 14, 2016 06:57 PM            

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Originally posted by kewf1988:
I think I can explain that... basically I see it as part of God's plan, similar to how people born in a certain month or a certain generation share certain characteristics. The sun signs, and to a lesser extent, the inner planets, are there to make everybody different, and the outer planet placements are there to give generations certain obsessions/ideals, in order for society to evolve. Life wouldn't be as interesting if everybody had the same personality... same goes with political ideology (the positions of the angles are why there are liberals and conservatives born on the same day, similar to how everybody born in the same Sun sign has a different ascendant and Moon sign), because if EVERYBODY was liberal or vice versa, there would be a BIG risk of extremism as a result of no opposition to keep it in check. Extremism can destroy society

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posted January 15, 2016 11:29 AM            

I'm a Gemini Moon as well, and I'm the diametric opposite of President Obama. Yet, I'm also politically different from President Putin.

posted January 17, 2016 09:46 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Another possibility is that evil entities feed off our negative energy, and by inflicting contradictory and often irreconcilable doctrines (as opposed to not wiring our brains to hurt each other over ideology/politics and/or inclined to extremism in the first place), they can add to the fighting, misery, and yummy warfare (which is always going on somewhere, and pretty much has for all of human history--the "exceptions" were when there "weren't enough people to count" as the population was too low or it was considered "pacification" and other police measures which includes tortures, executions, and mass murders against people unable or unwilling to fight back). Extremism is encouraged, though some are trying to get past that, but it's not natural because we were made to bleed negative energy, which is what ideology does. It's actually a form of insanity (at least those who identify too close with it) that can be measured in brain scans. And if everyone was about the same ideology then that would eliminate a lot of misery and warfare and then our creators would starve which would mean we'd have no purpose.

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