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Topic: 12th house Pluto and/or Saturn.. What are you most afraid of?
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3l3n
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posted December 21, 2015 03:47 PM
  
I would like to hear and understand what those with this placement fear most. also subconsciously.Do you tend to defend yourself from things and situations more than you think you should? Are they fears that distance yourself or attract certain people? Or you have no fears at all? have overcome them IP: Logged |
Aqualilith09
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posted December 21, 2015 04:28 PM
12 house Pluto & Scorpio in 12 house cusp here. I'm afraid to astral project, probably like once every other week i can feel my astral body wanting to come out but i always feel scared/or some dark presence/voices and I hold back. I make myself wake up. I hate when I do this, I want to overcome this fear so I can travel and be more open spiritually.IP: Logged |
3l3n
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posted December 21, 2015 04:42 PM
We usually fear what we don't understand. this could be the theme here also.What goes through your head when you are trying to open up spiritually? Thanks for your response Aqualilith09! IP: Logged |
Lerena
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posted December 21, 2015 05:18 PM
I'm not sure which house system I should be using, but if I stick with Placidus I have Pluto in Scorpio in 12th house.I have a strong interest in spiritual things. I want to meditate, astral project, unlock my chakras, meet my spirit guides, and read auras. I'm afraid of doing everything but learning to read auras. Learning to read auras is a challenge, but I know it isn't going to be an instant thing for everyone. Anything spiritual leaves me afraid even though I really love to study these topics. I'm afraid of spirits too. I think in all honesty I'm afraid of the unknown more than anything else. IP: Logged |
3l3n
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posted December 21, 2015 06:05 PM
Interesting. Many that I know with Pluto in their 12th house seem to strongly sense the unknown but are often afraid to express it and try to resist it or struggle to go deeper into understanding itIP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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Aqualilith09
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posted December 21, 2015 08:40 PM
I guess by trying to open spiritually I meant I wish I can connect with my higher self, spirit guides and be more connected with energies and stuff. I want to dive into the unknown, I just have to break through that barrier. Is your Pluto or Saturn in the 12?IP: Logged |
lundan
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posted December 21, 2015 10:04 PM
How would I know what I fear subconsciously...it's subconscious quote:
Originally posted by 3l3n:
I would like to hear and understand what those with this placement fear most subconsciously.Do you tend to defend yourself from things and situations more than you think you should? Are they fears that distance yourself or attract certain people? Or you have no fears at all? have overcome them
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EmGem
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posted December 21, 2015 10:20 PM
I resonate with everything people are saying here.
Pluto in 12th for me too.
Started astral travel when I was about 15 and became so scared of it. Still not comfortable but a little more able to let go now.
I hear entities, I see them too.
I have connections with the higher self of my love almost every night. He's with me a lot because his physical self can't be at this time. Once he is, his higher self won't need to be with me and comfort me so much anymore.
I work with a clairvoyant. I've had to protect myself from negative entities trying to annoy me when I sleep. They literally poke and prod me, wrap their legs around my body, slay their arms across my face, rustle my covers. Very annoying :/
So yes lots of fears of the unknown but at the same time intensely fascinated by them too.IP: Logged |
3l3n
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posted December 22, 2015 04:24 AM
No I don't Aqualilith09. Two people very close to me have though.
Also seems like others I have met with these placements fear what you all have described.
Unfortunately, when they speak out about these issues others may call them crazy. and that is why they no longer open up and speak of such matters.I am trying to understand what is going on here with these strong planets in such a spiritual and also dark area of the chart IP: Logged |
3l3n
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posted December 22, 2015 04:48 AM
EmGem, is your Pluto also in Scorpio, or Libra?
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EmGem
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posted December 22, 2015 05:47 AM
Libra IP: Logged |
3l3n
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posted December 22, 2015 06:02 AM
Another side of this placement I have acknowledged is the ease of manifesting what you want, for better or worse heheIP: Logged |
ikja
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posted December 22, 2015 06:37 AM
quote:
Originally posted by 3l3n:
Another side of this placement I have acknowledged is the ease of manifesting what you want, for better or worse hehe
I swear, most of fhe things I worry about comes true
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3l3n
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posted December 22, 2015 06:40 AM
You have to make use of it the other way round ikja IP: Logged |
Aqualilith09
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posted December 22, 2015 06:48 AM
quote:
Originally posted by EmGem:
I resonate with everything people are saying here.
Pluto in 12th for me too.
Started astral travel when I was about 15 and became so scared of it. Still not comfortable but a little more able to let go now.
I hear entities, I see them too.
I have connections with the higher self of my love almost every night. He's with me a lot because his physical self can't be at this time. Once he is, his higher self won't need to be with me and comfort me so much anymore.
I work with a clairvoyant. I've had to protect myself from negative entities trying to annoy me when I sleep. They literally poke and prod me, wrap their legs around my body, slay their arms across my face, rustle my covers. Very annoying :/
So yes lots of fears of the unknown but at the same time intensely fascinated by them too.
Yes OMG! I've had entities annoy me like that too, push my arm or grab it when it's hanging off the bed...they get annoying...I cant even sleep with body parts hanging off the bed anymore. They play too much lol smh...in my head I tell them to stop and if it persists I yell it out.
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EmGem
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posted December 22, 2015 04:32 PM
quote:
Originally posted by 3l3n:
Another side of this placement I have acknowledged is the ease of manifesting what you want, for better or worse hehe
Could not be more true! I definitely find that the universe listens and responds whenever I need help or when I try to manifest what I want....it's like the universe is my best friend and has my back always. When I ask for messages or clues I tend to always receive them in some way. What a blessing IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted December 22, 2015 04:34 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Aqualilith09:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by EmGem:
[b]I resonate with everything people are saying here.
Pluto in 12th for me too.
Started astral travel when I was about 15 and became so scared of it. Still not comfortable but a little more able to let go now.
I hear entities, I see them too.
I have connections with the higher self of my love almost every night. He's with me a lot because his physical self can't be at this time. Once he is, his higher self won't need to be with me and comfort me so much anymore.
I work with a clairvoyant. I've had to protect myself from negative entities trying to annoy me when I sleep. They literally poke and prod me, wrap their legs around my body, slay their arms across my face, rustle my covers. Very annoying :/
So yes lots of fears of the unknown but at the same time intensely fascinated by them too.
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Yes OMG! I've had entities annoy me like that too, push my arm or grab it when it's hanging off the bed...they get annoying...I cant even sleep with body parts hanging off the bed anymore. They play too much lol smh...in my head I tell them to stop and if it persists I yell it out.
Omg I know right! Sooooooo annoying! It's not like they're evil, it's like they're playing childish games with you but it's so disruptive! It happens to me when I'm in the half state where I'm in between worlds and I'm frozen so I can't move which makes it worse lol. So I would suggest you protect yourself as much as you can Aqualilith. Set an intention of protection before bed
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Aqualilith09
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posted December 22, 2015 07:35 PM
Is it through imagining myself in a orb to be protected? IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted December 23, 2015 03:14 AM
yes that will definitely help. If you believe in something bigger than you, ask it/them for your protection. Imagine yourself surrounded by a barrier of white light before you go to sleep. The intention makes a big difference.Also, do you notice that these things happen to you when you are stressed or overly tired? If so, then you know you need to take extra good care of yourself so you don't become vulnerable to them IP: Logged |
Lion-I
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posted December 23, 2015 04:38 AM
Pluto in Sag in the 12th house conjunct Chiron here. I am in my teens but going through my Chiron square right now is just manifesting a lot of health problems. Like I had a bad case of tinnitus and it went away. Then I had vein inflammation then it went away. The thing I fear is something happening to my body that's happens in places that will affect my looks or long term health. But yeah I do get attacked by astral entities if I masturbate at night before I sleep and they touch my arm and ear and knock on my head. Also my afflicted Neptune doesn't help me either. But for most other things I am fearless. Mars trine PlutoIP: Logged |
deepseastar
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posted December 23, 2015 05:28 AM
12th House Pluto in Sag here. My deepest fear is probably that my morality is an empty sham only holding me back in life. IP: Logged |
Sunnya
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posted December 23, 2015 06:37 AM
Saturn in Scorpio in the 12th (conjuncts ASC)I don't have any fears. But sometimes I still doubt my own intuition or psychic insight and I need to go look for confirmation/validation from other more experienced people (to check if I am right or just imagining something).
I think this might be how Saturn plays out in my 12th. please don't quote, thank you. IP: Logged |
3l3n
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posted December 23, 2015 06:48 AM
Lion-I, I am sorry to hear about your health condition, especially from such a young age.
This must be Chiron playing his role here.
I hope everything turns out well and you take xtra good care of yourself Mars trine Pluto does indeed make someone fearless, that's true IP: Logged |
3l3n
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posted December 23, 2015 06:50 AM
What aspects does your Pluto or Saturn make from your 12th? and are they Rx?This goes for everyone
And I thank you all for your responses, they do help a lot! IP: Logged |
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