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Topic: Making a Murderer and the lack of faith in Police
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bananaz Knowflake Posts: 388 From: Orlando, FL USA Registered: Feb 2015
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posted December 30, 2015 08:00 PM
Have any of you watched this documentary? If not, I highly recommend it. Where Im from everyone is talking about it. And man I really wish I knew Steven Avery's birth info. I bet he has Neptune on the midheaven, giving him the sinner/saint projection.So for those of you who have seen it, would you agree that by shedding some light on the weaknesses of the justice system, it will further damage America's current weakened trust of police officers? I'm thinking this is more of Pluto in Capricorn, and possibly Saturn squaring Neptune. What do you guys think? IP: Logged |
hannaramaa Moderator Posts: 10836 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted December 30, 2015 08:01 PM
My friend texted me at 10:45 last night to demand I watch it so I can be just as incensed with her! Now you made this, I'll have to go watch it and come back to this thread.IP: Logged |
bananaz Knowflake Posts: 388 From: Orlando, FL USA Registered: Feb 2015
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posted December 30, 2015 08:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by hannaramaa: My friend texted me at 10:45 last night to demand I watch it so I can be just as incensed with her! Now you made this, I'll have to go watch it and come back to this thread.
Yes, watch it! You will be so disgusted! IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 14964 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 30, 2015 08:08 PM
Spoiler please? What's it about?IP: Logged |
bananaz Knowflake Posts: 388 From: Orlando, FL USA Registered: Feb 2015
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posted December 30, 2015 08:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: Spoiler please? What's it about?
It's so hard to summarize because it's so long and there's so many layers. (It was filmed over 10 years.) But I found this link for you that outlines the main points: http://www.people.com/article/netflix-making-a-murderer-5-things-to-know Basically about corruption and miscarriage of justice IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 14964 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted December 30, 2015 08:53 PM
Thank you!IP: Logged |
racole12 Knowflake Posts: 1058 From: the world is my home! Registered: Feb 2010
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posted January 01, 2016 01:12 AM
I watched this this week... my jaw dropped so many times. You can not but feel horrible for that family. I think I would of rather be dead than go through what Steven went through/going through in his life. Talk about lost of faith and hope. IP: Logged |
racole12 Knowflake Posts: 1058 From: the world is my home! Registered: Feb 2010
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posted January 01, 2016 01:18 AM
Also his birth time might not be up but he's birthday is July 9, 1962. I think his progressed Sun was starting to square natal Sun. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa Moderator Posts: 10836 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted January 01, 2016 02:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by racole12: Also his birth time might not be up but he's birthday is July 9, 1962. I think his progressed Sun was starting to square natal Sun.
Hmm...why would Sun sq. Sun bring about that depth of cruelty? IP: Logged |
hannaramaa Moderator Posts: 10836 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted January 01, 2016 02:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by bananaz: Yes, watch it! You will be so disgusted!
I'm only on Episode 2 and already cursing at everyone they gave depositions to! Especially the sketch artist and that DeVorak lady... "No, I didn't say he was really dirty, because I don't use that type of verbiage." Ah yes, because there is a better and more eloquent way to call someone a piece of ***t. Like...IT'S RIGHT THERE! IN THE INVESTIGATORY REPORTS. I could rant about it for days, sorry. IP: Logged |
bananaz Knowflake Posts: 388 From: Orlando, FL USA Registered: Feb 2015
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posted January 01, 2016 03:04 PM
quote: Originally posted by hannaramaa: I'm only on Episode 2 and already cursing at everyone they gave depositions to! Especially the sketch artist and that DeVorak lady... "No, I didn't say he was really dirty, because I don't use that type of verbiage." Ah yes, because there is a better and more eloquent way to call someone a piece of ***t. Like...IT'S RIGHT THERE! IN THE INVESTIGATORY REPORTS. I could rant about it for days, sorry.
The one that gets me is the cop who gets the phone call from the other jail to let them know they may have the wrong guy and he doesn't report it until Avery is proven innocent and released...smh.
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bananaz Knowflake Posts: 388 From: Orlando, FL USA Registered: Feb 2015
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posted January 01, 2016 03:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by hannaramaa: Hmm...why would Sun sq. Sun bring about that depth of cruelty?
Yeah that would be hard to imagine. I'm sure there's more going on in his chart. Really wish his birth info was available. IP: Logged |
mamawolf Knowflake Posts: 297 From: the universe Registered: Aug 2012
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posted January 01, 2016 03:08 PM
Open enemies and Neptune/MC were the first things that came to mind also. I've watched 6 episodes so far and jesus christ, I just want to choke half the people in it! It seems so plain and clear yet everyone is so disillusioned by the media.IP: Logged |
bananaz Knowflake Posts: 388 From: Orlando, FL USA Registered: Feb 2015
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posted January 01, 2016 03:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by racole12: I watched this this week... my jaw dropped so many times. You can not but feel horrible for that family. I think I would of rather be dead than go through what Steven went through/going through in his life. Talk about lost of faith and hope.
I was shocked too. With all that evidence, it just doesn't make sense. The worst part is he never stood a chance against the justice system. Everything comes back to the cops and they never tried to look for another suspect. How can you prove innocence when the cops wanted to pin everything on Avery? IP: Logged |
bananaz Knowflake Posts: 388 From: Orlando, FL USA Registered: Feb 2015
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posted January 01, 2016 03:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by mamawolf: Open enemies and Neptune/MC were the first things that came to mind also. I've watched 6 episodes so far and jesus christ, I just want to choke half the people in it! It seems so plain and clear yet everyone is so disillusioned by the media.
It's really infuriating...I have Neptune conj my midheaven too and I couldn't imagine going through what he went through. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa Moderator Posts: 10836 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted January 01, 2016 03:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by bananaz: Yeah that would be hard to imagine. I'm sure there's more going on in his chart. Really wish his birth info was available.
It's a chart using 12pm as the birth time, but I see he's got Mercury sextile Uranus, Venus and Mars aspecting pretty strongly to Uranus. In addition there's Mars trine Saturn... EESH. I thought he would've had more Pluto aspects but he just has Mars square Pluto. IP: Logged |
racole12 Knowflake Posts: 1058 From: the world is my home! Registered: Feb 2010
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posted January 01, 2016 07:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by hannaramaa: Hmm...why would Sun sq. Sun bring about that depth of cruelty?
Sorry... I meant Prog Sun squ natal Neptune = victim IP: Logged |
hannaramaa Moderator Posts: 10836 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted January 02, 2016 12:33 PM
I'm on Episode 4 and it's so sad, I just want to fly in and protect the nephew. This is SO frustrating!!! He didn't even understand (nor did his mom for that matter) what "inconsistent" meant. Coercion. Coercion, coercion, coercion. 😈😈😈😈 This is just wrong.IP: Logged |
PixieJane Moderator Posts: 7462 From: CA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted January 02, 2016 09:22 PM
quote: Originally posted by bananaz: would you agree that by shedding some light on the weaknesses of the justice system, it will further damage America's current weakened trust of police officers? I'm thinking this is more of Pluto in Capricorn, and possibly Saturn squaring Neptune.What do you guys think?
Haven't seen this particular ones, but I've read sociological exposes, seen damning investigative reporting, and there are even movies like this (one I haven't seen but wanted to was Houston police gunning down a runaway apparently for sport, but a PI hired by the family of the boy traced the gun the boy supposedly pulled to being registered with the evidence room shortly before this meaning the police threw the gun down and said he drew it, and it was more than one cop, and none were convicted of it--and this happened in the 70s but even in the 90s the Houston stations wouldn't play it, but I saw it listed in the national TV guide which is how I learned of it, but the local station played a different movie instead). And it's always the same. People act shocked, outraged, and then forget. And then repeat, over and over. Kinda like mass shootings and so many other things in our daily lives. And cops get promoted and pay raises from convictions, which is awfully tempting to convict anyone, and if the person is actually guilty then so much the better, but it's a secondary concern for quite a few (I've known cops to engage in plenty of crimes with impunity themselves, and I don't just mean abusing their authority). And also within the law, like the killing of Donald Scott to seize his ranch that the deputies could sell for millions of dollars (and give to themselves, pay raises and other bennies for all involved, the life of a pirate is good) which they investigated (once they seize everything, including bank accounts, then good luck in defending yourself in the injustice system) only AFTER they assessed the property to make sure it was worth their while. So no, this is just SSDD, and will quickly be forgotten like so much else like it over the centuries in the United States (the history that goes back is interesting as well, Chicago even had a serious altercation before when citizens hired their own police to enforce the law, including against corrupt cops, over a century ago, and Houston also had a similar incident that is glossed over in the Texas History books from the very early 20th century in which military police and Houston police actually started shooting at each other trying to arrest each other for murders committed, and cops on both sides were hanged). Lies, Injustice, and the American Way is a national tradition. That, and the incredible memory hole that keeps forgetting this stuff. (ETA: on the plus side, the USA does have the best democracy money can buy! ) IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 61007 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 05, 2016 04:03 PM
We're a Republic. IP: Logged |
theunknown Knowflake Posts: 2711 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted January 05, 2016 04:30 PM
well I read the comments on the articles and I am not sure the series is meant to rile people up
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theunknown Knowflake Posts: 2711 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted January 05, 2016 04:34 PM
http://jezebel.com/former-wisconsin-da-reveals-evidence-excluded-from-maki-1751196679 Here is the opposite view ... I would take conspiracy theories like polices going after a past convict to frame him as dubious. It's too time consuming and he's hardly important IP: Logged |
hannaramaa Moderator Posts: 10836 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted January 06, 2016 04:05 AM
quote: Originally posted by theunknown: [URL=http://jezebel.com/former-wisconsin-da-reveals-evidence-excluded-from-maki-1751196679]http://jezebel.com/former-wisconsin-da-reveals-evidence-excluded-from-maki-1751196679[/UR L] Here is the opposite view ... I would take conspiracy theories like polices going after a past convict to frame him as dubious. It's too time consuming and he's hardly important
They could've wanted his land << just a theory. It was also the complete unprofessionalism of law enforcement that really irritated me, maybe more than the question of his innocence. Plus, meeting someone with a towel isn't sufficient evidence for murder. It's hardly surprising given how "rural" the whole family was. IP: Logged |
bananaz Knowflake Posts: 388 From: Orlando, FL USA Registered: Feb 2015
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posted January 06, 2016 10:11 AM
quote: Originally posted by theunknown: [URL=http://jezebel.com/former-wisconsin-da-reveals-evidence-excluded-from-maki-1751196679]http://jezebel.com/former-wisconsin-da-reveals-evidence-excluded-from-maki-1751196679[/UR L] Here is the opposite view ... I would take conspiracy theories like polices going after a past convict to frame him as dubious. It's too time consuming and he's hardly important
Actually they did mention the bullet in the doc series and they also talk about the DNA in the car, just not specifically about sweat. I recommend you watch the series before you make an opinion. It was really well done and detailed. It took them 10 years to film. And of course his life is important. 18 years of his life was taken away and then his innocence was proven with DNA evidence. The subject matter of the murder case is too suspicious for people not to take a hard look at it.
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theunknown Knowflake Posts: 2711 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted January 06, 2016 03:44 PM
alrite alrite alrite ... I'll look into itIP: Logged |