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athenegoddess
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posted December 30, 2015 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone ever tried this? Do you think it would describe the next 28-30 years of life?

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posted December 30, 2015 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We did this for laughs, can't remember enough to find the thread...

I don't know - Saturn is slow moving and many, many people would end up with same charts...

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posted December 30, 2015 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not necessarily.. because of the ascendant.

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posted December 30, 2015 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good thinking

I think I have mine somewhere. Might look it up some time in the future. Astro com under 'Celestial Events' tab offers charts for the exact-moment that a parenthesized time range that the transit is in effect.

I guess there would also be the effect of length of time, since Saturn will retrograde then go forwards. Usually comes to exactitude at least three times.

Interesting idea though. May have merit.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted December 30, 2015 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Has anyone ever tried this? Do you think it would describe the next 28-30 years of life?

No. Astrologers are continually looking for angles and cheats for such things. I believe that we need raise ourselves up to the level of the cosmos, rather than dumb it down to us so we can grasp it more easily with our 'toddler' minds.

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posted December 31, 2015 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mirage, Yes I realized that and decided to use the chart where Saturn first hits the exact degree.


Kannon, Can you explain more what you mean? I don't really think its unintelligent to think a Saturn Return chart can be valid.

For me, I wanted to see if I did good for the first 28 years of my life. And I thought about it and figured my Saturn return chart will show me if I reap good rewards or bad ones. Basically I wanted to know If I learned the lessons.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted December 31, 2015 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course, the Saturn return is valid. But making an entire chart out of it to predict the next 28-30 years is not.

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posted December 31, 2015 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isn't that the point?

A Solar Return predicts the next year.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted December 31, 2015 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, not for me. I've never used a Saturn return for that purpose. I may refer to very, very general things related to just its themes for that pivotal period, possibly setting up the next 28-30 years, but it alone cannot "describe the next 28-30 years of life." Saturn's return to its natal place is just a single piece of an aggregate transit picture for that time period.

Think about it ...

If your Saturn return involves no Pluto aspects whatsoever, but 2 years later Pluto crosses your Asc, then that is a more powerful transit that intervenes. But that Pluto transit was not in the 'Saturn return chart.' It does not show at all in the Saturn return chart if you are taking those positions as if they were fixed.

That is why I refer to an approach of using one planet's transit as the basis for a chart that is supposed to tell the whole story of the next 28-30 years as an 'angle' or a 'cheat'. It is an attempt to over-simplify. Reductionism. We have had enough of that during the popularization of astrology.

And by the way, I don't use solar returns to predict an entire year either. Same reasons plus there is not agreement on how to cast a solar return. Do you use precession correct or not? This enormously affects house positions. Its a no-go.

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athenegoddess
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posted December 31, 2015 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I think the Pluto aspect would be shown and I also think its a matter of skill in divination to be able to interpret these charts.

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