posted January 07, 2016 12:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Look, Paul. Whatever you're going through. Here's the place to come talk about it. We're here to support, not to judge.

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posted January 07, 2016 12:36 PM              

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Leo mars on the mc. (I think it's on the mc) Basically opposite Pisces sun and aqua moon. It's like a funnel. Deeper issues get fired out through his mars like a cannon firing a fireball.
I don't know if that makes astrological sense but that's how I see his behavior.

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Wow, I could totally picture that. And that's a good analogy - does kinda represent what's happening.

Yeah, people deal in different ways.

posted January 07, 2016 01:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
I know right. Although I don't know whether to blame it on that or on my progressed Mercury in Sag.

Both give me #FootInMouthDisease.

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posted January 07, 2016 01:06 PM            

Strange thing is, I get the sense that his Pisces sun does not seem to even realize he's antagonizing people. (?)

So if you tell him he's doing it, he immediately thinks you are just attacking him for no reason whatsoever, and takes a victim stance.

That's why I've been bringing it to his attention. LOOK. YOU ARE STARTING SH*T AGAIN.

posted January 07, 2016 01:29 PM              

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Originally posted by JourneysRoar:
Hahahaha!!! Actually I was really refering to McFly going on the defense over an innocent remark! My thoughts for taking it so personally was Merc Rx, lol. It happens to the best of us, we read too much into a comment...he just had such a dramatic response that it took me by surprise!

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I feel you!

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Lmao @ #footinmouthdisease! I suffer from it to, haha. Leo Merc quintile a 3rd house pluto...I'm about as honest as they come, without much thought in guarding the other parties feelings. Someone had to say it!

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So great that you're comfortable with it! It bugs my natal Scorp mercury to NO end. Ever since the progression, a lot of the extra-dark thoughts and extra-cutting comments that were locked away in the deep well of Scorpio silence come tumbling out of me at odd moments. Shocking people around me.

posted January 07, 2016 02:18 PM              

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Originally posted by UrsusBlack:
I don't think he'd be enjoying it. I think he'd feel attacked. I think it's best to move on from this thread for now.

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posted January 07, 2016 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:

So great that you're comfortable with it! It bugs my natal Scorp mercury to NO end. Ever since the progression, a lot of the extra-dark thoughts and extra-cutting comments that were locked away in the deep well of Scorpio silence come tumbling out of me at odd moments. Shocking people around me.

The Sag progression did add some goofy humour though, I'm glad about that.

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posted January 07, 2016 02:59 PM              

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Originally posted by JourneysRoar:

Well it's natal, so I've had 30 years to find a middle ground Scorpio Pluto to top it off, you either become comfortable with it or it throws you into the uncomfortable zone...it must be faced before it finds you.

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posted January 07, 2016 07:52 PM              

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Originally posted by PaulMcFly:
Ok well ill **** off keep ur stupid website this is ny last post here ever

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Come on now Paul you are Scorpio Asc, you're tougher than that lol. As Janet J said (another Scorp.Asc.) "If you tell me I'm wrong, then you better prove you're right.". Remember, you post things to get feedback...opinions so that you can either re-check your point or unflinchingly reiterate your point. If you are secure in your observations then ppl that disagree don't matter. Take it from a Mars/Moon in Gem. Ppl can't upset me by disagreeing b/c I feel mentally superior anyway. I choose to go back and forth b/c it's great mental sport and in explaining things to others I tend to "re-explain" things to myself too. However if valid faults really are found in my argument then I actually will consider them and go back to the drawing board. Simple as that. Also, I was not offended by your "you people" statement. Our opinions on this site are what yu are comparing and contrasting to your own, so of course it would be "you ppl" or "why do ppl here think etc." Anyway, guess I'm just not very sensitive as the other ppl here.

posted January 07, 2016 07:55 PM              

But theeeeen....I also played around with the idea that aspects to Sun, Mars, or Asc rule the physical in men....and aspects to Moon, Venus, and Asc. for women. For example Virgo Sun men tend to be thin and a little nerdy just like their description, BUT the women not so much. Feminine yes but not very thin, they seem more Libra-like which tons of Virgo Women have Venus in libra. As men the Sun affect them more physically I think (Mars too).

posted January 07, 2016 08:36 PM            

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Anyway, guess I'm just not very sensitive.

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I just meant, as a matter of presentation, "Listen up idiots I'm here to teach you the TRUTH!" and variations on that theme, probably will not ever go over well.

Unless one is just staging something for their own totally obscure gratification and entertainment. (?)

But here, Paul did not seem entertained by the results he got. In fact, he seemed upset, and is now cut off from a hobby he presumably enjoyed, up until now. He ends up in the negative.

Magnify this whole situation into a repetitive scene based on self-defeating personal habits, and you see a future that is needlessly more difficult than it has to be. And who or what is going to finally set him straight?

posted January 07, 2016 11:14 PM              

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I just meant, as a matter of presentation, "Listen up idiots I'm here to teach you the TRUTH!" and variations on that theme, probably will not ever go over well.

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Upon another read, I can see how one could derive that from what was said, but it wasn't actually what was said. Moon in Gemini gives me this. I can certainly read between the lines when/if I feel it's that serious (I'm VERY plutonian, even the moon I speak of is in the 8th) but I rarely do too much adding on to things or much assuming. Not b/c it may not be so, but b/c I don't actually care. He may very well have did it as a pompous jacka$$, but for me it's like this, I can be offended by his arrogance when I can prove he has no right to be so. At least when the arrogance is that mild by my standards. When an argument is presented to me I only care about whether it's valid (so I can back it) or a bunch of bull, so my Gem Mars can disprove it. My main focus was, "ok, if we are wrong, let's see why you are right". That's it, nothing more, nothing less.

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Is it more compassionate to pretend it's not problematic, or to tell him to learn some respect? I'm twice his age and decided to tell him to learn some respect.

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The thing is I wasn't pretending about anything. I genuinely felt no offense at all when I read the OP. I referenced arrogance above based on the premise that maybe he was arrogant and I just couldn't tell for one reason or another. That's why I said perhaps I'm not as sensitive as others or something.

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But here, Paul did not seem entertained by the results he got. In fact, he seemed upset, and is now cut off from a hobby he presumably enjoyed, up until now. He ends up in the negative.

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He becomes emotional when he should either 1.) consider that he may be wrong OR 2.) use his intellect to fight if he knows he is right. And in this particular thread his points are VERY valid. But instead he gets feisty. Understand that his confrontational nature is based on sensitivity. Notice that a lot of his posts appear random enough, but if you pay attention, they eventually go back to placements he himself has. Notice how sensitive he is about Pisces. It's because sometimes he probably dislikes being one. So he leaves comments like "Pisces everything" for the placements his perfect person would have. He finds ways to highlight all the great things about Pisces and famous Pisces ppl, but it's more for himself than anyone else. He needs the reassurance. But on the surface he just seems arrogant always talking about himself. Doesn't mean he thinks he has a crap chart all the time or anything, but he struggles with doubts. I am a Scorpio Asc (deep diver) with strong Gemini (nosy/curious and mentally quick). It creates a very attuned person and the ultimate "detective" who is always looking even when it seems I am aloof. Not just him, I pay attention to everyone here.

Now this in no way means anyone has to care though. WHY someone is an a$$ wouldn't take away from the fact that they are an a$$. I'm just saying that it's not from where you think it's coming from and that I personally don't see him as an a$$, just emotional. Nobody has to have my stance b/c in truth I usually end up having harsh or mean stuff said/done to me by the very underdogs I'm considerate of anyway. However I am older than Paul by a few years, and since I feel I understand him a tad better than others my actions follow. He needs care not ppl ganging up on him. Anyway, hope his little troubled self gets it together (think he is only 20 or something).

posted January 07, 2016 11:17 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
I just meant, as a matter of presentation, "Listen up idiots I'm here to teach you the TRUTH!" and variations on that theme, probably will not ever go over well.

Unless one is just staging something for their own totally obscure gratification and entertainment. (?)

But here, Paul did not seem entertained by the results he got. In fact, he seemed upset, and is now cut off from a hobby he presumably enjoyed, up until now. He ends up in the negative.

Magnify this whole situation into a repetitive scene based on self-defeating personal habits, and you see a future that is needlessly more difficult than it has to be. And who or what is going to finally set him straight?

Is it more compassionate to pretend it's not problematic, or to tell him to learn some respect? I'm twice his age and decided to tell him to learn some respect.

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Weren't you bullying teenagers on here about two weeks ago?

posted January 07, 2016 11:35 PM              

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Originally posted by Spongebob:

Weren't you bullying teenagers on here about two weeks ago?

There are no angels here. No one is in a position to lecture anyone about proper conduct. You aren't being compassionate; you're engaging in self-righteous sermons and ego-masturbation that you yourself, don't even operate by.

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posted January 07, 2016 11:41 PM            

Anyway I know someone with Venus conj. ASC, extremely good looking. I know someone with Venus in the 1st, who is technically good looking although I find him disgusting because of my experience dating him. Another with Venus in the 1st is a very good friend, who is also blessed in the looks department.. I have Mars in the 1st square Pluto and Lilith and I am okay, it doesn't seem like I scare people away from me or anything. ( And if I do, it'll be because I actually scared them away with my personality ..)

posted January 08, 2016 12:08 AM              

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Originally posted by Selenite:
I liked reading your analysis LittleBlackCat (even though I think it was a bit cutting and sort of insane lol, but I like stuff like that )

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LOL! How so? I am very serious / curious because I was all over the place for a second there. Hence the constant edits before finally feeling it represented my views accurately lol. Outside perspective would b nice.

I am at 24 degrees Scorpio. Apparently the symbol is "Crowds coming down the mountain to listen to one man"
[url] https://livingmoonastrology.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/24-degrees-of-scorpio-crowds-coming-down-the-mountain-to-listen-to-one-man.pdf [url]
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"A man swims in rough seas ": Generous and courageous character determined to brave any danger in order to help one's fellow creatures out of a difficult situation. Although no gratitude is expressed by the persons rescued, one continues to lend a helping hand to people in need. So much selflessness arouses public esteem and respect. However, one must beware of jealousy, hypocrisy, and slanders."

Never actually looked it up before now but thanks to you now I know lol. The last one ironically fits with what I said earlier about the ppl I stand up for turning on me hahaha. Back on topic. I am a first house Venus (conj. sun) and while I have been told I am beautiful I honestly have always suspected it just uses grace/charm to enchant ppl into thinking I am especially beautiful. In reality this is just not so. As you said I don't scare ppl away or anything (that whole section was very funny by the way lol) but I don't think I'm all that.

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posted January 08, 2016 12:58 AM            

Good looks are genetics.

Venus + good genes is always wanted because one not only has physical appeal, but also the grace to carry it.

When Mars/Pluto are involved, they tend to intensify it. And not always in a good way.

And if only Pluto/Mars is only involved with good genetics,it can make the individual "sexy". But very much a handful.

Someone who may be seen (at worst) as a gorgeous but very problematic or temperamental.

Now the world seems more predisposed to this.Which may make it seem more desirable. But if we speak of longevity, the softer planets Venus/Jupiter/Neptune win out.

IMO this is because the nature of inner beauty becomes more important as people get older.

People start to care less about how good-looking or "sexy" one is as they get older.

Especially when that same person has a temperamental nature and is uncouth. Life's too short!

posted January 08, 2016 01:45 AM              

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I don't agree with you Paul.

Good looks are genetics.

Venus + good genes is always wanted because one not only has physical appeal, but also the grace to carry it.

When Mars/Pluto are involved, they tend to intensify it. And not always in a good way.

And if only Pluto/Mars is only involved with good genetics,it can make the individual "sexy". But very much a handful.

Someone who may be seen (at worst) as a gorgeous but very problematic or temperamental.

Now the world seems more predisposed to this.Which may make it seem more desirable. But if we speak of longevity, the softer planets Venus/Jupiter/Neptune win out.

IMO this is because the nature of inner beauty becomes more important as people get older.

People start to care less about how good-looking or "sexy" one is as they get older.

Especially when that same person has a temperamental nature and is uncouth. Life's too short!

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Sexy is more than just physical and if you really have it you don't lose it no matter how old and saggy you get.

posted January 08, 2016 01:47 AM            

I've always put more emphasis on Mars - because I've noticed that my physical body looks like that of other Capricorn Mars women.
Especially when their Mars is in the first decan, like my own.

However - this not a golden or infallible rule ^. Because - yes, genes play an important role!

posted January 08, 2016 02:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Nothing is set in stone, but Leos know it all - just ask them! Lol

I've always put more emphasis on Mars - because I've noticed that my physical body looks like that of other Capricorn Mars women.
Especially when their Mars is in the first decan, like my own.

However - this not a golden or infallible rule ^. Because - yes, genes play an important role!

Also, this is purely connected to the body and body language - and has little to do with the eyes and general facial expression - which I see as influenced by Moon/Mercury primarily, with a dash of Sun/ASC.

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