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MahaKali
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posted January 07, 2016 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MahaKali     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What aspects can make someone to be interested in occult and dark path of life?

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athenegoddess
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posted January 07, 2016 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lucifer squares.

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MahaKali
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posted January 07, 2016 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MahaKali     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about Lucifer's conjunctions? It conjuncts my Mercury 3 degree and NN but 8 degree, it's not so strong conjunction?

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posted January 07, 2016 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes conjunctions count too.

But what do you mean by 'dark path'?

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MahaKali
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posted January 07, 2016 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MahaKali     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like left hand path, satanism. What does it mean when it conjuncts Mercury? And as my Mercury squares my Moon, I think Lucifer also squares it.

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posted January 07, 2016 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i don't know anything

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athenegoddess
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posted January 07, 2016 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It means that your mind may be geared towards evil thoughts and may ponder about them often. You want to use your mind to do bad things.

Square your Moon it may be from your mothers influence in your life.

You are doing this because your emotions/feminine side of your soul has been hurt.

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PixieJane
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posted January 07, 2016 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MahaKali:
What aspects can make someone to be interested in occult and dark path of life?

Just so you know, I'm assuming that you mean interested in PRACTICING the "left handed path" which in this case means worship of demons, and I'm answering in that context.

And with that in mind, there's Adolfo Constanzo, though not a Satanist of any kind, he was very much into evil spirits, human sacrifice, occult rituals, and the like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo_Constanzo

Interesting enough, the astro databank (note, they're mistaken in calling her and the cult Satanist, at least given all that I've read of their beliefs and practices) didn't have his chart, but did have an accomplice of his (don't know if she was truly brainwashed or not, but if brainwashed then she probably doesn't count):
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Aldrete,_Sara


This guy is well known, and he SOUNDS like he at least leans the way you're thinking of (assuming you don't mean sacrificed babies and things that extreme), but I haven't looked that much into the religion he founded (and in any case, it's Egyptian based, in case that matters, only it's Set rather than Satan):
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Aquino,_Michael

You might be able to find more info on this guy, also part of the Church of Set:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Webb_%28writer%29


There's also this guy, but I don't know his birthday (I've noticed many involved in the more volatile forms of occultism, or who interact with those who do, hide their birthdays, probably to avoid giving their occult-wise rivals info they can use, and it wouldn't surprise me if in some cases they intentionally gave false birth info, though not all of them could get away with that), and this wasn't the name he was born with:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus_Sol_Invictus

You might also find it interesting to examine this guy (birthday included, though not time) though he was a teenager at the time he committed murder and based it on the idea of him being an actual vampire, and may have been mentally ill (as in literally unable to function due to powerful delusional and possibly psychotic aspects of his personality, but it sounded as if there were occult elements that he led his cult in):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Ferrell


Beyond that, I can think of two. One was a Leo sun and was raised to believe that Christianity meant surrendering her power (and wealth) and foregoing earthly pleasures so she seemed fascinated with Satan and demons as a means of self-empowerment and self-gratification. I don't know anything more about her chart, but it should give insight into her psychology (it's possible that had she been raised differently that she wouldn't have felt an attraction to it).

There's also a member here, KarkaQueen, but she hasn't posted in a long while. I'm a bit unclear on it, but here:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/004458.html

My memory is too vague on it, though I have my guesses about the appeal. She has posted the details of her chart before (don't know if it's still up).

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I'm not including Aleister Crowley, as frankly, he confused the hell out of me and I'm not sure what his genuine beliefs were (and accounts, including by those who personally knew him, are so contradictory)...I do think he was outright joking at times. For similar (but not identical) reasons I'm not including David Myatt either. And Charles Manson doesn't seem to count as he was more about his own personal manipulation of people and general hatred and paranoia of society rather than any sincere devotion to occultism or spirits of any kind, though he dabbled a bit (but since he didn't follow up on it in any serious way that I can tell, I'm not counting him). And Dietrich Eckart may have ultimately been evil, but the accounts of his occult beliefs seem to be greatly exaggerated if not outright fabricated (and saw himself on the side of the angels standing against devils as so many evil people do) and thus also doesn't count in my book.

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MahaKali
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posted January 09, 2016 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MahaKali     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for this, I read it all. Well lot of interesting stories. I must say that I heard a lot of stories when people became Satanists and interested in left hand path, cause they were born in family with strong Christianity influence, so they turned against it, like some kind of rebellion, then there are also people who have some sad story from the past, their childhood, so found this more interesting, then to pray to God, and to wait for something nice to happen to them. But chart of that person can tell much.

Now, what I'm interested in mostly at the moment are people who feel strong connection with the dark side. I'm not talking about teens who find it interesting and want to have fun or similar, but people who are serious about their beliefs.What aspects can indicate it, planet positions?

Also, as someone who strongly believe in the other side and things that can not be seen by ordinary people, and I read the last link you sent to me, I am very aware of it that people shouldn't play with it, if they are not prepare and do not know what they are really doing.

Yes, about my Lucifer, Mercury conjunction that athenegoddess said, I am fanatic for those things, read and learn a lot, and think a lot, and sometimes my thoughts and mind are..

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PixieJane
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posted January 10, 2016 01:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's not many charts to study and most wouldn't go there (and even I who have some interest in criminal psychology, alternate paradigms that include very antisocial or perverse ones, and similar disturbing topics don't feel motivated to hunt down all their birth info, not unless I could find a lot and also their astro-twins to compare/contrast with). It strikes me as being as unlikely as being born a psychopath based on one's chart.

But for a start, I did see that you can look up where Lucifer was at time of birth at astro.com, but didn't see how to do so right away. I'm sure others are more familiar with the site who can. (And it would probably take some work to get details of birth to get at the Houses, but it seems possible in this digital age for anyone determined enough.)


(Some random musings will follow in the next post...)

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PixieJane
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posted January 10, 2016 01:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And I wonder...had Adolfo Constanzo been raised in a much better environment, would he instead have been drawn to a more healthy occult or religious paradigm than the one he was? Perhaps the placements for occultism are the same whether they're kindly mystics or murderous cultists.

And are there psychopaths who want a "higher power" to relate to? Did the stars make them psychopaths, or did being psychopaths affect how their natal chart manifests? (And if being an evil occultist or even just a psychopath can be seen in the chart, that raises some interesting questions to me about the nature of the cosmos...)

It can get further complicated by how some mix the practices. Like I encountered a Hispanic guy in Houston who practiced black magic, but also believed in the Bible and thought Jesus and Satan were just the different hands of the same God (and there's an occult basis for that, plus in the OT God does command evil spirits to do evil to those who displease Him or His people, and Satan is more the Prosecutor who gets God to torment Job rather than an enemy of God). Is he of the "left hand" path, or just more along the lines of those who kill for God or even just pray for victory over enemies even if it means the death of those enemies (as illustrated in the War Prayer )? (As for me, I only saw him once, and while curious enough to ask him questions as I did on why someone talking about demons as servants had a Bible, I was also more psychic than I am today and couldn't bear to be around him as his aura gave me the creeps, and after leaving his company I avoided him forevermore, so I don't even know his sun sign.)

And what of those who use Prosperity Theology rather than black magic to get ahead (*) in the world? They serve themselves by serving God, is that same (in which case their birth info is fair game), similar, or opposite to serving themselves by serving demons?

(* Another definition of right/left handed paths is that the right hand is more monastic and transcending the self to find God/dess and about rejecting the world for the higher realms, like no pay for services as a minor example with little interest in "getting ahead" in this world as they're so focused on the next, while the left handed in this case is about elevating the self to godhood and using occult abilities to instead focus on THIS world, which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with demons or Satan or religion. So with that in mind, Prosperity Theology is more left handed than right handed, but by other definitions PT is godly and so right handed. It's why I tend to be unsure how to talk to people using terms like "left handed path" as it can mean different things to different people. Leave the monotheistic religions to include Asatru, Shinto, and such and it gets even murkier, and I'd wonder about people born into such religions with the placements of "left handed path" in their chart would manifest in that case?)

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posted January 11, 2016 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Lucifer cnj. Mars , by 1 degree..
My mars cnj. my Venus ..
something with relation with women?

any thoughts?

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Seimei
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posted January 11, 2016 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seimei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MahaKali:
What aspects can make someone to be interested in occult and dark path of life?

this week jupiter and node at midpoint of Lucifer and Thule,
I don't know if Thule is not the darkness to which you refer, I do believe you are not likely to find correct dates of birth for any such folk

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