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Topic: Absent Father?
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missblyss
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posted January 25, 2016 05:02 PM
  
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4lifephrases
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posted January 25, 2016 05:39 PM
My father was absent due to death and it is always visible in my chart. I would have to run through my vedic chart. IP: Logged |
PixieMG
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posted January 25, 2016 07:06 PM
I have grown up away from my father, I have Sun trine Saturn (6th) and Venus sq. Saturn, eventually we got closer but I can't see him as much as I'd like because we live in different cities.------------------
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missblyss
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posted January 25, 2016 07:23 PM
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athenaia
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posted January 25, 2016 08:06 PM
Due to many life threatening illnesses my father couldn't be in my life in the way both he and I wanted to. I am very much "made in his image" (I have his exact personality, look just like him) which I think is exemplified well in our Big Three
(He's a Virgo Sun/Taurus Moon, I'm a Virgo Rising/Taurus Sun, he has a Sag ASC I have a Sag IC) The lack of having a father consistently present in my life was very depressing/traumatic (Chiron in H10), but I was very blessed to have several people take on the role of "father figure"/mentor in a major way (Jupiter in H10) throughout my life. Maybe you could post your daughter's western chart in this thread too?  
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aquaguy91
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posted January 25, 2016 08:43 PM
Sun in the 12th house is the classic indicator of this.IP: Logged |
4lifephrases
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posted January 25, 2016 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Sun in the 12th house is the classic indicator of this.
Yes you are right. I have that in western astrology. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted January 25, 2016 08:56 PM
I have sun conjunct saturn in the 12th and my dad has been absent my whole life.IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted January 25, 2016 09:20 PM
sun trine Saturn is a marker for those whose parents have prominent places in the society and are too busy with work.sun-Saturn, in general, indicate weaker father figure; Capricorn sun to some extent has similar problems.
most mars in Capricorn have a bit of resentment for their parents; so that's a possibility
Aquarius and Capricorn 4th/IC
Moon-Saturn conjunct indicates very disciplined childhood where both parents are gone due to professional reasons or just to make end meets.
Similarly, Capricorn moon indicates that the mother has to take over the role of the breadwinner I actually disagree with the sun in 12th indicating absent father. The father might be remembered as a bit foggy, can be alcoholic or not having a prominent place in the house or the society but not always as absent or uncaring/cold as those with Saturnian influences. Natives with the Sun in the 10th strangely have similar problems. I do not know enough Pisces sun but my assumption is that they might have alcoholic, elusive father or very artistic father who deals with fatal diseases or addiction. Sun-Neptune natives are similar too. Taurus and Libra suns tend to have fathers who remove themselves from conflicts; Libra suns tend to have very opportunistic fathers while Taurus suns can have fathers who are not particularly realistic or who dismiss themselves from a situation and thus acquiesce to whatever others have decided. By no means, the Aquarius, Libra, Pisces and Taurus dislike their fathers. Many will have perfectly happy relationships with their fathers but the father does not take on a very dominant role. Maybe the father is experienced as being logical, fair and not very much action-oriented. On the flip side, a Leo or Aries sun might experience their fathers as being overly dominant, egotistical and selfish; the point being that those with "stronger" sun won't be able to ignore what their fathers got to say.
I'm speaking for western astrology but the logic applies that what you were born to present as your core consciousness is going to be something unnatural, harder to gain.
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missblyss
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posted January 25, 2016 10:22 PM
my daughter has no sun aspects in Western,PS, can this be moved to Vedic? Or should I repost? IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 26, 2016 12:18 AM
I think unless you contact lalalinda, she may not see this thread. It's not obvious from the title that it's in the wrong forum. So, for a faster reply, consider copying your OP and making another thread in Vedic. quote:
sun-Saturn, in general, indicate weaker father figure; Capricorn sun to some extent has similar problems.
I have a Cap sun in mutual reception with 12H Saturn. Sun is quindecile Saturn. My father wasn't "weak" but he was spiritual, and I guess some would mistake that as weak? He had a yod in his chart with Pisces Jupiter-Uranus at the apex. Sag ASC so Jupiter was the chart ruler. He was a recovered alcoholic who did charity work mostly every night, while being elusive about his whereabouts. When he and I lived alone together in my high school years, often he was gone and I'd make my own microwave dinner or eat with friends. So he was absent in one way. And I would sort of consider him "absent" because from age 18 on, he grew distant, and I hardly ever really connected with him. I think he was on a cancer medication that changed his personality a bit, but he was mysterious and wouldn't talk about that kind of thing, not wanting me to worry. And he died when I was still pretty young (31). IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted January 26, 2016 01:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
I think unless you contact lalalinda, she may not see this thread. It's not obvious from the title that it's in the wrong forum. So, for a faster reply, consider copying your OP and making another thread in Vedic. I have a Cap sun in mutual reception with 12H Saturn. Sun is quindecile Saturn. My father wasn't "weak" but he was spiritual, and I guess some would mistake that as weak? He had a yod in his chart with Pisces Jupiter-Uranus at the apex. Sag ASC so Jupiter was the chart ruler. He was a recovered alcoholic who did charity work mostly every night, while being elusive about his whereabouts. When he and I lived alone together in my high school years, often he was gone and I'd make my own microwave dinner or eat with friends. So he was absent in one way. And I would sort of consider him "absent" because from age 18 on, he grew distant, and I hardly ever really connected with him. I think he was on a cancer medication that changed his personality a bit, but he was mysterious and wouldn't talk about that kind of thing, not wanting me to worry. And he died when I was still pretty young (31).
Faith,
I think Saturn-Sun people are supposed to learn to be their own authority; hence absent or not very present fathers. For the Capricorn I know, I wouldn't say that the fathers are weak or strong, but in the natives' eyes, there seems to be a sense of distance. I think the parents and especially the fathers tend to devote their time to work or more "important" activities. I am after all a sun-Saturn conjunct; though I also have sun-pluto square and sun in 10th. So in my case, I would have appreciated some simple distance, lol. And sorry OP, I know you are asking about Vedic but it's a good topic to discuss. IP: Logged |
bananaz
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posted January 26, 2016 01:51 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Sun in the 12th house is the classic indicator of this.
I'm a astrological cliché. Sun in 12th. Never met my father. IP: Logged |
holstro
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posted January 26, 2016 04:50 AM
Any prominent Saturn, I'd assume. My partner has a dominant Saturn by far and although his father is physically there, they have very little bond at all. It's quite sad. However, the only hard Saturn aspect he has is Moon square Saturn.A good friend of mine also has no contact with her father, Saturn dominant with moon trine Saturn, so there's a pattern. IP: Logged |
Elysia
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posted January 26, 2016 06:46 AM
Not sure I want to post this, but curious so I'm going to ask anyway. Firstly, OP, I can't see your charts properly, they're a bit small. Also, would you consider posting the Western ones? Or describing the aspects there? Western astrology is more pertinent to our present selves than Vedic, IMO. Vedic is where our soul has already 'been', so to speak. What other kinds of aspects do you guys think are involved in this? Shouldn't we be considering Saturn in the houses as well? I have a very wide Sun-Saturn square and a very tight Mars-Saturn square. That's all I recall as of now. Not sure if that explains my dad's absence. Or his behaviour when present either. IP: Logged |
Koniucha
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posted January 26, 2016 07:19 AM
My daughter has Moon opposite Saturn and Sun in the 10th house.Her father is basically useless. he does see her sometimes, but he has no job and really no desire to get one, from what I see. I am the sole provider for my daughter and my family does help us out a lot. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 26, 2016 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by theunknown:
Faith,
I think Saturn-Sun people are supposed to learn to be their own authority; hence absent or not very present fathers.
I see that in my life. But I don't feel wounded by it, because I knew both parents loved me. And...in a way...I think the detachment was a good lesson. My mother's parenting style bordered on outright negligent (for instance I do not remember an age when I was not allowed to walk all over town without even telling her where I was) but that was like my boot camp for losing her altogether at 14 ~ so I even see some intuition in her choices then. quote:
Originally posted by theunknown:
For the Capricorn I know, I wouldn't say that the fathers are weak or strong, but in the natives' eyes, there seems to be a sense of distance.
Hmm...My one triple Cap friend (sun-moon-Mercury) never knew who her father was. She has Saturn in Pisces. Another Cap moon friend lost her father when she was 6; her Saturn also in Pisces. I wonder if there is a pattern. Sounds like it would make an interesting study: does the combination of sun, Saturn, and Neptune/12H/Pisces create a kind of paternal void? quote:
Originally posted by theunknown:
I am after all a sun-Saturn conjunct; though I also have sun-pluto square and sun in 10th. So in my case, I would have appreciated some simple distance, lol.
Maybe you had to learn how to create distance for yourself...to fight for it?
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Faith
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posted January 26, 2016 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by bananaz:
I'm a astrological cliché. Sun in 12th. Never met my father.
What is your Saturn doing, bananaz, if you don't mind me asking? IP: Logged |
bananaz
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posted January 26, 2016 05:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
What is your Saturn doing, bananaz, if you don't mind me asking?
Saturn is in the 9th house.
It does square my sun...so the saturn-sun connection does sound promising. My step-sister doesn't have a great bond with her dad either. He flaked out on her most of her life. She's got the sun in the 10th with Pisces midheaven. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 26, 2016 05:35 PM
Thanks for answering. Sorry about your circumstances, though :-/
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athenaia
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posted January 26, 2016 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by theunknown:
sun trine Saturn is a marker for those whose parents have prominent places in the society and are too busy with work.sun-Saturn, in general, indicate weaker father figure; Capricorn sun to some extent has similar problems.
most mars in Capricorn have a bit of resentment for their parents; so that's a possibility
Aquarius and Capricorn 4th/IC
Fascinating insights, theunknown. I have Sun trine Saturn (in Capricorn) at 0°33 in my natal. Saturn is also trine my ASC at 3°03. I would say "self-discipline" has been a major karmic strong point for me in this life, probably due to the absence of a "strong" (prominently featured) father figure, but my "bootstraps" attitude won me the respect/affection of others who wanted to take on the role. My IC is at 28° Sag but the majority of my 4th house is in Capricorn (with, naturally, Saturn placed there opposite my H10 Jupiter/Chiron) - for a long time I resented my dad and found the lack of him a major detrimental part of my psychological makeup. Though the older I get, the more I become empathetic with the decisions he had to make. IP: Logged |
Piscean Tigress
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posted January 26, 2016 07:12 PM
My father left my mother when she was expecting me; so he was always absent in my life (I don't even know if he passed away; my mom did years ago). My Sun is in house 4th and opposite Pluto in house 10th. My Saturn conjunct Mars in house 5th. Moon opposite Neptune and Ascendant. Chiron conjunct Venus an Karma asteroid in house 4th IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted January 26, 2016 07:53 PM
@Faith: actually most Capricorn suns are quite tame about their resentment towards their family (if there is any). Like they always eventually justify or put the responsibility on themselves. Capricorn moon, mars, venus are the same too. So I am not surprised you feel like they did not fulfill your emotional needs yet understand that they did love you.
The Capricorn suns my generation have Sun-Neptune-Uranus, sometimes Saturn too (1988-90ish). I know one whose father was a Pisces, did drugs, and had a terminal illness. Throughout her life, she remembers her father as always carrying the oxygen bottle because his lungs were shrinking. But he was extremely loving. Another one I know basically does not talk to her father; she talks to her mother and her mother brings it up to her father or her father communicates to her through the mother. Very strange situation.
I've known several sun-trine-Saturn (the Gems and Libra in Aquarius Saturn generation) and their parents are always out and about somewhere else. Many of these people have privileged backgrounds, yet don't feel particularly spoiled or catered to.In my case, I think my Sun is even more of a "karmic" position, being in 10th, conjunct Saturn in 10th. It's like I was born for the purpose of learning to become my own authority. The pluto in 7th adds to that extreme awareness of how I'd appear to other people. After Saturn in Scorpio transit (passing my 7th), I had several a-hah moments where I feel like I finally come to terms with things. @Athenaie: Thanks for sharing your experiences. I find that sun-trine Saturn is a very good placement to have. It sobers you up. IP: Logged |
JourneysRoar
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posted January 28, 2016 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by bananaz:
I'm a astrological cliché. Sun in 12th. Never met my father.
Same here, to the textbook...it's quite eerie really, lol. I knew my father actually, he was a really great man. Everyone in town knew him and loved him immensely. He died when I was 7, in a car accident, he was 27. He was drunk as well as the designated driver and the driver of the other vehicle involved...they were "racing". His funeral procession stopped traffic for miles, hundreds were in attendance. Astrologically, I have a Cancer Sun in the 12th conjunct Mars by 8min and an out of sign Leo Moon conj. by 6* orb. They trine my Scorpio Saturn (4* orb) in my 4th house. Wide 6*orb square to 3rd house Pluto. My natal seems to really mirror this theme in my life. Makes sense, bc somehow he has molded my whole life..even without being here physically. After astrology found me, I learned so much about myself...I feel that I am here to burn off some huge amounts of karma this round. Still haven't really unraveled what it all means and what my soul came to learn...but I'm trying! Maybe Jupiter squaring my nodes has something to do with the difficulty in finding my purpose. I'm afraid I can't lend much to what others said, I can only confirm my own markers natally. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 28, 2016 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by theunknown:
@Faith: actually most Capricorn suns are quite tame about their resentment towards their family (if there is any). Like they always eventually justify or put the responsibility on themselves. Capricorn moon, mars, venus are the same too. So I am not surprised you feel like they did not fulfill your emotional needs yet understand that they did love you.
Makes sense, and I've seen some of that with other Caps myself. My Cap moon sons included. quote:
Originally posted by theunknown:
The Capricorn suns my generation have Sun-Neptune-Uranus, sometimes Saturn too (1988-90ish).
Ahh, good point, and thanks for the examples. Something for me to keep in mind when I'm looking at Caps' charts from those years...possible father issues. quote:
Originally posted by theunknown:
In my case, I think my Sun is even more of a "karmic" position, being in 10th, conjunct Saturn in 10th. It's like I was born for the purpose of learning to become my own authority. The pluto in 7th adds to that extreme awareness of how I'd appear to other people.
I see what you mean, about yourself. quote:
Originally posted by theunknown:
After Saturn in Scorpio transit (passing my 7th), I had several a-hah moments where I feel like I finally come to terms with things.
Happy for you Saturn in Scorpio was healing for me as well....Saturn is not always bad! IP: Logged |
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