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Comatoes
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posted January 26, 2016 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Comatoes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So what are some of the aspects of a woman who keeps her maiden name, as opposed to her husband's last name.

Is Juno, Pallas, Moon, Venus, Uranus etc. involved what do you think and what is your personal opinions about this or experience. List the aspects you think may contribute to this decision or why you are against this idea and possible aspects.

These are women who don't use their husband's name but are married -- no divorced, separated etc. They are "happily" married but chose to not be identified with the husband's last name at all.

No including it in your name at all... Example: Hillary Rodham Clinton vs. Hillary Rodham

Let's discuss astrological significance.

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posted January 26, 2016 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for diamondbaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Keeping their maiden name: in my opinion Moon/Venus in Gemini/Libra/Aquarius.

I would say women with strong air influence tend to keep their maiden name. They like to feel independent, distant and free. They are also the least likely to get married in the first place.

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posted January 26, 2016 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where I come from, people keep their own last names. I don't really understand the reason behind taking the husband's last name. Makes it harder to speculate why some don't want to, and some do.

But I want to make a guess. My guess is based on what I've read about mars and uranus dominant types/my experience with them and some of my thoughts/what I've read about this practice.

Most people of those two types I've met seem to have a need for independence and preservation of their identity. So I expect that they don't feel like they have to take their husbands' last names, or at least question it.

Plus, sometimes uranus dominants just don't like following traditions.

I'm saturn dominant, and while I'm not against taking the husband's last name, I don't really like it. I suppose I might do it, if it were beneficial (I doubt it - think of all the paper works). I'd hate it though, if it were shoved down my throat, or made to seem like I "must" do it. Uranus is active in my chart after all, conjunct my sun/venus and square moon.

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posted January 26, 2016 01:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seimei     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are perhaps a number of reasons a woman
may give for this to be represented by a myriad or possible combinations in a chart and you give no example.
Likely any example that could be given would be that of a celebrity who often have fake names anyway.
You are asking for people to reach and dig
for information to be applied to what, no case to compare speculations.
Might as go ahead and ask what men with what
configuration would go along with it.
How do offspring respond to whatever name,
do they then have a mother with one name and father with another?
Vesta in an air sign? devotions independent of love and marriage. Juno in an air sign, Juno afflicted/ unsure they can or are committed to a marriage?
I think this needs some example to examine.

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posted January 26, 2016 01:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Where I come from, people keep their own last names. So I don't really understand the reason behind taking the husband's last name.

But I want to make a guess. And my guess is based on what I've read about mars and uranus dominant types, and based on my experience with them. Most seem to have a need for independence and preservation of their identity. So I expect that they don't feel like they have to take their husbands' last names, or at least question it.


I wish it were that way here, because I also see very little point to it.

I have yet to legally change my last name to my husband's, and I really don't even go by the hyphenated version very often.

I have Uranus conjunct IC, trine Sun and BML (BML to the minute).

My Leo husband REALLY wants me to change my name, and I will probably get around to changing it legally, but I will go by the weird hyphenated rendition, with my name and then his name.

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posted January 26, 2016 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by diamondbaby:
Keeping their maiden name: in my opinion Moon/Venus in Gemini/Libra/Aquarius.

I would say women with strong air influence tend to keep their maiden name. They like to feel independent, distant and free. They are also the least likely to get married in the first place.




I have no air in my chart and am happily married without my husband's last name.

@Comotoes Honestly there are so many reasons why a woman might choose not to, especially in this day and age, I don't know if there is an astrological significance...

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Comatoes
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posted January 26, 2016 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Comatoes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is always astrological significance to many things in life, choosing to keep your name is a decision, which would most likely respond to your natal chart -- as natal chart shows personality, thoughts, and ideals. Even if one doesn't act on it based on cultural/historical beliefs. Your deep thoughts are still inside you regardless. Even countries have astrological charts to explain a countries ideals. So I don't understand why this couldn't be found in a natal chart or even hints to it.

With that being said. Thanks for all your responses, much appreciated.

Diamondbaby: yes, Air seems a likely culprit, don't know how Moon/Venus would play into it? Maybe emotions (Moon) vs. values (Venus). In Vedic, Moon is also related to thoughts.

12muddy: I really enjoyed reading your explanations and how you feel about it, I resonate much with your findings about Uranus, Mars and Saturn. Especially Uranus, I really think it is a big player in this.

Seimei: this forum is all about "speculation", my question is no different than any other asked. All inquiries, scientific or otherwise start with a general question and branches out from there. Maybe there is no astrological significance, maybe there is. One does not know until one brings it out into the open to discuss it.

I can't give examples because it was a general inquiry or a way to brainstorm something I often wondered about. Real World examples come when people supply them like 12muddy and Violets did.

Violets: thank you, you gave another indicator with BML, I would think she could be strong in how a woman feels about her name, as BML has a primal/historical feel to it. BML is a keeper of all that is the core of someone's being or self. Interesting your Leo husband (the King, rulership, royalty, the passing of materials and the heart core) is urging you to change your name. Leo and BML would possibly be fixed on this, as both can be fixed energies.

Bananaz: thank you. Do you have strong Fixed energy?

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posted January 26, 2016 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I'm a traditionalist, it never occurred to me to not take my husband's name.

Saturn widely conjunct ASC...his sun on my ASC.

I didn't like my maiden name.

But my married last name is unique, which gives me no privacy.

Google my first name and maiden name, you get thousands of hits, I'm a needle in a haystack. Google my first name and married last name, I think I'm the only one in the world. I dislike that. And will use my maiden name online, many times, for anonymity purposes.

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posted January 26, 2016 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Comatoes:
There is always astrological significance to many things in life, choosing to keep your name is a decision, which would most likely respond to your natal chart -- as natal chart shows personality, thoughts, and ideals. Even if one doesn't act on it based on cultural/historical beliefs. Your deep thoughts are still inside you regardless. Even countries have astrological charts to explain a countries ideals. So I don't understand why this couldn't be found in a natal chart or even hints to it.

Of course, I agree that thoughts, ideals, personality are all related to astrology. Didn't mean it that way. Just that keeping a last name could be based on reasons that have nothing to do with that. Like owning a business, for example. I kept my last name because it's connected to my books and I figured it would simply be easier. Now that we're expecting our first kid though, I may go ahead and change it so that I share the same last name as my child. It's not a big deal to me either way.

Another person I know hasn't changed hers out of laziness lol. She just hasn't gotten around to it. And then there's cultural traditions, hating the paperwork involved, or if you're a celebrity, etc.

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Bananaz: thank you. Do you have strong Fixed energy?

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Stelliums in both Pisces and Sag, so not really. My moon is in Leo though.

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posted January 26, 2016 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Comatoes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Faith: that is very interesting, so you still use your maiden name sometimes online for privacy. Seems like that would reflect a Saturn/Asc aspect, it could be other things in your chart, but Saturn likes to be discreet. Since the Ascendant is how you may want to appear to others at its most basic function. Your husband's Sun on your Asc. is significant, identity wise in the relationship. Sun brings its own set of uniqueness.

Bananaz: I understand. Those are very good and valid reasons you listed.

I just tend to see things from unconscious motivations. I personally believe some things we do has psychological motivations we're not entirely conscious of...so I guess astrological/psychological. But I could be reading way more into this than I should. It wouldn't be the first time.

Thanks for the replies.

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posted January 26, 2016 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it has more to do with the culture in which you grow up. By "culture" I am referring to not only the country in which you grow up, but also the beliefs with which you are raised.

Someone who has grown up in a more conservative environment is more likely to take their husband's name. An exception to this may be a woman who has a prestigious career and depends on name recognition in order to keep and attract clients. A woman who is an established lawyer or doctor with a great reputation would be one example of this. In contrast, a woman who has a more low key career or is a housewife would be more apt to take her husband's name.

In short, I don't think astrology has much to do with this type of decision. There are many factors at play here.

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posted January 26, 2016 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spongebob     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Probably the same aspects that would lead to feminist beliefs, refusal to take the last name usually stems from that.

Im mostly air and id do the hyphenated last name thing so that blows a hole in the theory that air-heavy women wouldn't take their husbands last name.

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posted January 27, 2016 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sylven     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My chart is influenced by a lot of Air. Ruler Sun is Moon in Aqua and Uranus in the 1st house (self) is square Sun, trine Moon, trine MC, sextile Venus and whatnot. I think it is the most ridiculous thing in the world!!! I am very outspoken about this. Over here, or maybe elsewhere too, it's 80% (or a little more) of the women who take their husbands name. WHAT?!! Well, not me! I am an individualist. It's also not practical when a woman divorces. You know her by her husbands name for years and suddenly we all have to call her differently and she will get mad if you call her by her husbands name. Annoying. In some systems at work people are put in with their maiden names. Yeah, nice, how can we find them if we don't know their maiden names?!!! Annoying! Haha ... I just think why all the fuzz, it's completely silly! And, why doesn't my husband take MY name? Because I am a woman? Come on!! Old fashioned shizz and yeah well, I don't like tradition or set rules. Need I say more?

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posted January 27, 2016 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spongebob     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sylven:
My chart is influenced by a lot of Air. Ruler Sun is Moon in Aqua and Uranus in the 1st house (self) is square Sun, trine Moon, trine MC, sextile Venus and whatnot. I think it is the most ridiculous thing in the world!!! I am very outspoken about this. Over here, or maybe elsewhere too, it's 80% (or a little more) of the women who take their husbands name. WHAT?!! Well, not me! I am an individualist. It's also not practical when a woman divorces. You know her by her husbands name for years and suddenly we all have to call her differently and she will get mad if you call her by her husbands name. Annoying. In some systems at work people are put in with their maiden names. Yeah, nice, how can we find them if we don't know their maiden names?!!! Annoying! Haha ... I just think why all the fuzz, it's completely silly! And, why doesn't my husband take MY name? Because I am a woman? Come on!! Old fashioned shizz and yeah well, I don't like tradition or set rules. Need I say more?

Lots of women think like you and dont take their husbands names maybe in the 50s or 60s this view was unique and rebellious, its. Not anymore

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posted January 27, 2016 07:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sylven     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Spongebob:
Lots of women think like you and dont take their husbands names maybe in the 50s or 60s this view was unique and rebellious, its. Not anymore

Not claiming it to be rebelious. The question was is, does it show in the chart? Well, most women really don't feel the same way. That's why I said still 80 or more % of the women still do take their man's name.

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