posted February 04, 2016 12:25 PM            

How do you define accomplishment? Is it ONLY through hard work (blood, sweat, tears) for you guys most of the time?

Do you appreciate some help from people or do you like it more that people let you figure things out on your own?

Do you feel like you don't want anything just handed to you easily?

Would you say you are more of a 'tough love' parent/sibling/lover/friend?

Are you someone who enjoys physical labor/work? (As in, shoveling for 4 hours to clear the snow and really working strenuously to do so for the whole family)

posted February 04, 2016 03:31 PM            

The answer to your first question is YES!

Second question: I don't want help unless I ask for it!

Third question: I always take the long, hard road to the finish line!!

Fourth question: YES!

Fifth question: YES!

posted February 04, 2016 04:25 PM            

1) I define it as reaching one of my goals. It usually comes through a lot of work...there's just no way around that, so I suppose that would be tacked onto my definition. Another thing that stands out to me is TIME. Saturn doesn't deny me of what I want, but it's very rare that I get it right away. I always have to wait (and/or work) for it.

2) I'm used to doing things on my own. I used to be very stubborn about accepting help from anyone but as I've matured, I realize that help isn't always a bad thing. I still prefer to do things myself, just because I know my own expectations and how I'd like things to be done.

3) Sometimes it'd be nice but not EVERYTHING and anything. Sometimes you appreciate things more when you've put in the time and effort to get them.

4) If I'm close to you, what usually happens is first, you'll see my soft/empathetic Cancer ASC/Sun conjunct Neptune side but if you keep not "getting it", my Capricorn/Saturn comes out and I'll bluntly tell you what you need to hear.

posted February 04, 2016 05:31 PM            

Do you appreciate some help from people or do you like it more that people let you figure things out on your own?
Let me do it myself. If I ever need help, I'll ask for it, otherwise, don't even think about nudging me the right way or I'll just brush whatever you say or do away.

Do you feel like you don't want anything just handed to you easily?
Well I won't say I'll spit on gifts handed to me... If I can spare energy from some things to give it to others, I'll gladly accept it, but it definitely feel cheaper than if I have to strive to gain something.

Would you say you are more of a 'tough love' parent/sibling/lover/friend?
I never actually thought it like that, but it would make sense. I'm definitely not one that lays her heart on her hand when it comes to express my feelings toward other. I'll show my love by being honest and bothering to help people I like, whether they like the advice or not.
I'm of the saying "You may not like what I tell you now, but you'll thank me later."
I'll take the time to listen to people, to try to analyze the situation they are in, but I'll certainly not hand them the solution, all wrapped with a ribbon, in their hand. I'll help them find it, I'll tell them whatever they NEED to hear, and they may end up frustrated, but I'll help them by finding themselves what they need to do and not what they want to do.
If I have to let them hit the bricks first, I'll do it. Gladly.
But I'll be there to help them recover afterwards and I'll nudge them in the right way, even if I have to kick their a** to do it.

Are you someone who enjoys physical labor/work?
Nothing can lift my mood better than that. A hard crossfit workout and my day is brighter, no matter what happened.

posted February 04, 2016 05:43 PM            

How do you define accomplishment? Is it ONLY through hard work (blood, sweat, tears) for you guys most of the time?

I'd say that's my default way of looking at it. Put metaphorically, walking across a field of flowers is nice, but climbing a mountain is an accomplishment (of course if your goal is just to get somewhere then it's silly to take the mountain if you could just walk across a pretty field instead ). But ultimately, it's more about how you define it.

Do you appreciate some help from people or do you like it more that people let you figure things out on your own?

I prefer to do things my own way (could be sextile my creative 5H Sag stellium), but I don't mind help that respects my autonomy (and doesn't throw a fit if I do something else).

Notably, I prefer the truth. If I sense someone is just telling me what I want to hear then I don't go to them again as they're not helping me. In my observation (and that of others), this is unusual.

Do you feel like you don't want anything just handed to you easily?

I don't feel this way, but then perhaps I'm defining "anything" too literally.

Would you say you are more of a 'tough love' parent/sibling/lover/friend?

My parenting style is best described as authoritative (not to be confused with authoritarian ). Short and sweet, the more mature they act, the more mature I'll treat them (and the more they'll be allowed to do, and easier time they'll have to change my mind--whining and crying is a good way to lose any hope of changing my mind while calm reasoning could, something two kids I helped raise learned fast). All my rules and decisions had reasons given for them that I tried to make clear, not "because I said so."

Though I have a few very strict rules in place, I do give them loopholes in order to encourage them to come to me when they're suddenly in trouble...while also warning them how much worse it would be if I came to believe they were gaming the system (that is fessing up to something for help to not get in trouble for it when they knew very well I was about to find out on my own anyway).

Also notable, I make sure they do chores and the like, don't get used to having freebies given to them, and such because I believe that best prepared them for their future, both in practice and lacking a sense of unjustified entitlement. I find the entire concept of "treat them like they're little children until they're 18 and then expect them to transform into responsible adults overnight" to be ludicrous.

ETA: also, I didn't try to "protect" them by not letting them know of the evil in the world, and I worked extra hard to help make sure both learned to defend themselves, violently if necessary. This disturbs some parents, but I see it as sensible (and I recall having to learn some of the lessons about evil in the world the hard way and found that ignorance was a liability, not a benefit). I told one that monsters don't hide under the bed or in the closet, but in human beings, some of whom you might never suspect of hiding a monster. This isn't to say I emphasized they were surrounded by them, just they had to be aware, like with the danger of fire and such, and prepared just in case. This might be my Pluto in the same stellium with sun and saturn (one degree from both, in between).

I don't assume this kind of authority with those not kids, however. I can be "tough love" with friends, lovers, and the like, but as a general rule I explain my needs and boundaries while noting theirs and try to work within that. I don't expect perfection out of people, and if someone gets very close to me (which doesn't happen easily, though I have many acquaintances, which have lower expectations put on them by me) then it takes a lot for me "get tough" on them. This should not be construed as being spineless, I'll have reasons for what I do, and if I decided a close relationship isn't worth it anymore then I'll firmly put some distance between us (likewise, I rarely try to change someone's mind who does the same to me).

Are you someone who enjoys physical labor/work? (As in, shoveling for 4 hours to clear the snow and really working strenuously to do so for the whole family)

Enjoy might be too strong a word, at least for the activity itself. However, I don't mind it, and I usually find ways to make it more pleasant or enjoy the company. (As someone raised on a farm and who still helps there when I visit, I really can work strenuously for hours, all in the Texas heat).

posted February 04, 2016 06:11 PM            

How do you define accomplishment? Is it ONLY through hard work (blood, sweat, tears) for you guys most of the time?

Probably, that's the usual definition, I think. Something you achieve after putting effort into it, and overcoming numerous obstacles.

Doesn't matter or mean much to me, really. I'm fine with taking the easy way, as long as it helps me to reach my goals, and doesn't offend my sense of ethics.

My cap/saturn influence doesn't like to waste effort. So, if hard work is what it takes, then I'll do it. But if I feel that I can take the less grueling way, I will.

Do you appreciate some help from people or do you like it more that people let you figure things out on your own?

Depends. Usually I like figuring things out on my own. I ask for help when I need it.

Do you feel like you don't want anything just handed to you easily?

No. Sometimes things go my way easily, sometimes I have to work hard. Doesn't matter, again, as long as it doesn't offend my sense of ethics, it's fine.

A peach doesn't taste sweeter because I grow the tree.

Would you say you are more of a 'tough love' parent/sibling/lover/friend?

I can be, but it's rare. I'm tough when they want to "escape" and don't want to face the issues. Nope. They create the mess, they have to clean it up, otherwise it's gonna come back and bite them. I'll give a hand.

I don't coddle or try to make things sound nicer. Well I don't put it too blunt, or in a way that hurts more, either. Usually I just analyze the situations, and work with them through whatever issue they have (if they want me to, of course).

Are you someone who enjoys physical labor/work? (As in, shoveling for 4 hours to clear the snow and really working strenuously to do so for the whole family)

I enjoy physical labour, nothing extreme though. I can work strenuously when I need to, but I don't enjoy putting extreme stress on myself.

Please name the sign and house placement of your saturn and any aspects it makes in your natal. Any other observations you guys have with this aspect or these influences are welcomed!

cap sun,

1st house cap saturn conj cap asc/venus/NN, square moon/midheaven, trine mars, oppose chiron.

posted February 04, 2016 07:55 PM            

And yet, Saturn is one of my weaker planets and i have no planets in Cap, except neptune.

Capricorn is on my IC
Venus and Mars inconjunct Saturn
Moon semi-sextile Saturn

Maybe those minor aspects are stronger than i think, i'm not sure.

posted February 04, 2016 08:05 PM            

How do you define accomplishment? Is it ONLY through hard work (blood, sweat, tears) for you guys most of the time?

Usually, but sometimes I will get a compliment and not realize all the work that went into it...it wasn't an "accomplishment" until someone noticed.

Do you appreciate some help from people or do you like it more that people let you figure things out on your own?

Both: I love help, I love figuring it out and doing it on my own. However, "help" that runs contrary to my will is no help at all, and I can have strong opinions about how I want things to be. And I'll gladly carry them out entirely by myself rather than ask for help.

Do you feel like you don't want anything just handed to you easily?

I like things handed to me easily. I think Caps are opportunistic and will make the most of any advantage. For example, I always enjoyed academic challenges, but some of my teachers in college gave out As like candy on Halloween. I loved that-- it gave me more time to work even harder for the difficult teachers, or relax.

Would you say you are more of a 'tough love' parent/sibling/lover/friend?

Sometimes I am "tough love" with my family. With friends, no.

Are you someone who enjoys physical labor/work? (As in, shoveling for 4 hours to clear the snow and really working strenuously to do so for the whole family)

Yes...LOVE it.

Please name the sign and house placement of your saturn and any aspects it makes in your natal. Any other observations you guys have with this aspect or these influences are welcomed!

posted February 04, 2016 08:57 PM            

Old Saturn made it a prerequisite for me to work hard. Even if I don't want to, I kind of get (ok, always) thrown into situations where I have no choice but to grin and bear it so to speak.

Accomplishment used to be about status-related things, such as money, awards, etc., but I've really changed my tune about that lately. As long as I continue to enjoy my work and get better, that's all that matters. Of course I still set very high goals, but I do not make them as rigid nor do I feel as if I have to accomplish them right away.

I do appreciate help, but maybe its also the Aqua in me because I normally like to handle and figure out things on my own. I used to be terrible about asking for help, but now I'm much better at asking when I know I'm not capable of resolving the issue alone or the person has the knowledge and expertise I am still acquiring.

Do you feel like you don't want anything just handed to you easily?

That's a loaded question! I'd like things to be easier, but not have everything handed to me if you know what I mean.

I'm more of a softie because of my Pisces Moon, but I can be stern and throw down the law if needed. I'd say I'm somewhere in the middle when it comes to relationship matters.

Love physical activity and would pursue a more active career if I could. Also, I got a standing desk so that I can stand at work during my shifts since its way healthier than sitting down all day.

posted February 04, 2016 10:47 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Faith:
opportunistic and will make the most of any advantage.

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Faith this is exactly how I do things. As long as it doesn't spill anyone's blood, why not.

posted February 05, 2016 01:37 AM            

Saturn in 11th house/Capricorn
Neptune in 11th house/Capricorn
Uranus in 10th house/Capricorn
Sun trine Saturn
Moon sesquisquare Saturn
Mercury trine Saturn
Venus sesquisquare Saturn
Mars sesquisquare Saturn
Neptune (chart ruler) conjunct Saturn
Pluto sextile Saturn
Chiron opposite Saturn
MC semisextile Saturn

How do you define accomplishment? Is it ONLY through hard work (blood, sweat, tears) for you guys most of the time?

Hard work - blood/sweat/tears - usually over a period of time (because I'm not afraid to take on lengthy goals), ending (eventually) with some sort of accomplishment. A graduation, a raise, a promotion, etc. Delayed gratification, I guess.

Do you appreciate some help from people or do you like it more that people let you figure things out on your own?

As a general rule, I like to figure things out myself.

Unless whatever I'm trying to figure out is completely wonky and wrong, in which case a short, concise explaination as to what is really going on is usually sufficient to get me back on track. I don't need anyone to hold my hand, though.

Do you feel like you don't want anything just handed to you easily?

Most material things in this world require work in order to acquire them. I think if I was handed something instead of having to work for it, I wouldn't appreciate it nearly as much. I also wouldn't be able to experience the satisfaction that comes with working for days/months/years/decades before achieving my goal.

Would you say you are more of a 'tough love' parent/sibling/lover/friend?

Only if they ask me for it - even then, I hold back because I don't want to come off too harsh. I know how hard I am on myself and I'm not really eager to encourage that kind of attitude or behavior in someone else.

My Cap mother can see right through me when I'm holding back, though. Then she chimes in with, "Say what you're really thinking. He/she can handle it."

Are you someone who enjoys physical labor/work? (As in, shoveling for 4 hours to clear the snow and really working strenuously to do so for the whole family)

I used to do stuff like that, but then I ended up seriously hurting myself. I've sinced stopped with the physical labor. My mother still does stuff like this, though - like, "Hey, I'm going to go get the mail." And then I look outside and she's painting our entire house, or mowing the lawn, or shoveling the sidewalk.

posted February 05, 2016 02:08 PM            

Saturn in Aquarius - 4th house. Placidus says 3rd house, but I feel it more deeply in 4th house.

Sun square Saturn - orb of 2 (applying)
Mercury sextile Saturn - orb of 4 (separating)
Saturn square Pluto - orb of 4 (applying)
Saturn is the ruler of my North Node in Capricorn

How do you define accomplishment? Is it ONLY through hard work (blood, sweat, tears) for you guys most of the time?
For me, yes. If you didn't work for what you have how can you possibly say you achieved anything?

Do you appreciate some help from people or do you like it more that people let you figure things out on your own?
Depends on the problem. I occasionally appreciate help, but if I can do it myself I prefer to do it myself.

Do you feel like you don't want anything just handed to you easily?
I do, yes. I feel like I have to earn everything. Some easy hand-outs are fine, but I need to know I deserve what I have and the only way I'll know that is if I worked my butt off.

Would you say you are more of a 'tough love' parent/sibling/lover/friend?
Actually, no. However, I do have my moments. I'm not an endless pool of sympathy.

posted February 05, 2016 03:52 PM            

How do you define accomplishment? Is it ONLY through hard work (blood, sweat, tears) for you guys most of the time?

It doesn't matter what others think. If I think something is not good enough, I would need to mull on that one item for a while. If I think it's good enough, then no amount of complaints from others will affect me.

I believe in work that can be referred back 10 years down the road. So the secon scenario is much less of a problem now than when I was a kid.

Do you appreciate some help from people or do you like it more that people let you figure things out on your own?

- i need to know the basic skeleton, the requirements, how people who have gone before me did whatever I am about to do, especially common mistakes and fatal mistakes
-if I do choose to do it my own way, it's often after a thorough process of researching all potential outcomes

Do you feel like you don't want anything just handed to you easily?

I do want things to be handed to me easily. But I usually appreciate quality much more than quantity and often good quality takes time.

Would you say you are more of a 'tough love' parent/sibling/lover/friend?

As a mentor, tough-ish. People who are very close to me think I am sweet. I would cook, clean, do everything for them. I don't believe in putting up a front with people I genuinely care or trust

Are you someone who enjoys physical labor/work? (As in, shoveling for 4 hours to clear the snow and really working strenuously to do so for the whole family)

-no. If I have to, then I won't back away. The thinking process is what is the most efficient way to get to the best results. Depending on the resources I have at hand too ... when I was younger, I had only time and my body; now I can offer my skills at a decent price so I rather pay for someone else to do menial work so that I can work on something else.
I'm not above any job.