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yungang_grotto
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posted February 09, 2016 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found this article when looking into the significance of planets at 0 degrees declination (it's a fun read! Here is the relevant excerpt):
http://www.qhdc.org/parallel.htm

"Practitioners of I-ching play sekifu (shooting occulted item) as recreation or training, that is, a person writes a name of material, like as 'desk' on a piece of paper, hides it in his pocket, and gives some hint, then others guess it by I-ching - it is an elegant game. I have tried sekifu by means of astrology for many times, and found the planets being at 0 degree of declination was remarkable in the chart. I feel that it is similar to a planet being in the same degrees as the Dragon's Head. For example, when the questioner said "animal, eatable", Jupiter was at 0°S and the answer was 'whale'."

Just wondering though if anyone is knowledgeable about declinations (Kannon?) and can shed some light on this aspect of my chart. It kind of makes a lot of sense to me, given Cafe Astrology's interp:


"Mars Parallel Pluto

Endurance is your strength and vengeful drives your weakness. When you are able to see clearly your hidden drives, motives, and desires, a path of deep personal change becomes open to you, which in turn lends itself to unleashing your very powerful and transformative energy into productive channels."

I'm basically wondering if it being at 0 degrees increases the dynamism of the aspect. The author of the former linked article mentioned that 0 degrees was in league somehow with out of bounds planets. My moon is at 27' of declination... can't remember whether north or south.

Anyhow thanks for reading interested in any thoughts anybody has.

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Randall
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posted February 10, 2016 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump!

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yungang_grotto
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posted February 10, 2016 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ohhhh somebody must know a thing about this

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Faith
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posted February 10, 2016 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow you're right! I love this article, even though I don't understand all of it (splinters off into many directions) and a lot of it is speculative. I still love it. Thanks for posting.

Quoting from the beginning:

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Parallel of declination is usually explained as one of aspects. If the term 'aspect' is defined as the path two planets affect each other, it is not wrong to regard parallel of declination as one kind of aspects. However, I think parallel of declination is different from other aspects, semi-square, sextile, square, trine, quincunx, opposition, etc. because celestial equator is a different circle from the ecliptic. Consequently its quality of effect should be different from other aspects. Everything and everyone we meet on this earth is represented by one of the twelve houses - in other words, they are indicated by ecliptic coordinate, longitude. And, in my opinion, planet's degrees of declination indicates strength and weakness of its effect.

Concerning the degrees of declination, I classify it into three; 1) over 23.5° North, 2) over 23.5° South, 3) 0°. Needless to say, "23.5°" is the obliquity of the ecliptic. For example, in a natal chart, if the Moon is over 23.5° North, the native's mother has great influence on the native, at least, who was born on the Northern Hemisphere, and vice versa. Some modern astrologers say that Pluto is exalted in Leo. Being a traditional artist, I can hardly approve of it, however, it can be explained by its degrees of declination. Pluto reached at its maximum degrees in the northern declination in 1947, and Pluto was in Leo at that time. So, I think Pluto had just showed its strong influence by being at its maximum degrees of declination, not by having any dignity in Leo.


Anyway...

My moon is at 0°...it's already in Pisces, squaring Neptune, and in the 8H, so it's not like I'm looking for reasons to say it's "amplified." I don't see how any good can come of that.

As for Mars-Pluto, what can you tell us?
Do you have superhuman strength? Mesmerize people without even trying?

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posted February 10, 2016 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't speak of it's significance but if there is one I think it is because it would be inline with the ecliptic. ( ? )

I might have to look some more. My sun and moon parallel and contra parallel several planets from Jupiter out to Pluto.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted February 10, 2016 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yungang_grotto,

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Mars Parallel Pluto
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I'm basically wondering if it being at 0 degrees increases the dynamism of the aspect.

I have not observed any 'dynamism' to planets at 0° declination. In your Mars Parallel Pluto aspect, it depends on what direction they were moving, and if it will create a progressed aspect, particularly of prog Pluto to n/prog Mars. That they were at 0° means that there is a chance progressions could turn it into a contra-parallel aspect, at least for a while.

The strongest place for any particular planet in declination (or a parallel/contra-parallel aspect) is at the extremes of declination approaching/surpassing 23° or greater.

This is because the planets slow way down at this far north/south reach and are essentially moving at the top or bottom of the peak/trough of a waveform pattern. Therefore, they will approach the peak, then pass it again going back towards the celestial equator, as will any other planet that transits them or make a progressed aspect to them. It all happens slower, therefore such aspects last longer, creating emphasis.

We will undoubtedly discover more related to declinations as more and more astrologers put their eyes on them and put more observations into the mix.

My response to the article you linked is that I fundamentally disagree with the author's assessment of the strength and importance of the Parallel aspect relative to other aspects . My work in rectification, natal and prediction, shows quite the opposite. In fact, the parallel aspect is known as a conjunction of declination. Two planets at the same distance north (or south) of the celestial equator are a point of emphasis.

The author's arguments are quite weak themselves, relying on a mixed mode of astrological and non-astrological tools that cannot possibly create clarity within astrology itself.

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The Declinations Guy
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posted February 11, 2016 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kannon wrote:

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My response to the article you linked is that I fundamentally disagree with the author's assessment of the strength and importance of the Parallel aspect relative to other aspects . My work in rectification, natal and prediction, shows quite the opposite. In fact, the parallel aspect is known as a conjunction of declination. Two planets at the same distance north (or south) of the celestial equator are a point of emphasis.

The author's arguments are quite weak themselves, relying on a mixed mode of astrological and non-astrological tools that cannot possibly create clarity within astrology itself."

I thought you'd think so and I quite agree! Still am interesting read


Thank you for your insight regarding progressions and your opinion regarding the lack of essential distinctness of aspects at 0 degrees of declination. I'll look into the progressions.

I'll also be taking declinations seriously into account and observing them more closely I'm on board.. partly because:

Faith wrote

"As for Mars-Pluto, what can you tell us?
Do you have superhuman strength? Mesmerize people without even trying? "

I think so

I can be a real spitfire.. but in a controlled way... and I can make people sit up and take notice especially if I want to. I'm a performer and activist and have always been good at making a profound impression.. I'm honoured to put the planetary energies I've been given to good use and I'm delighted that I can begin to channel my considerable animal passions (!!!!! Seriously) into.. erm higher channels.. these days.

My Mars is at 1 Aries square Saturn/Uranus, and Pluto/Mars rule my chart. Pluto falls in the 1st conjunct Mercury and my Sun is there in Scorpio as well.

This all simply ties in together to reinforce the potentiation of the parallel... it's interesting that you seem to feel that way about your Moon, if perhaps 0 degrees is actually extra significant (maaaybe? )--that it's already mega highlighted... and if declinations were to support that, you know?

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posted February 11, 2016 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I think so

I agree...your impression of yourself matches my impression of you and others have said the same thing about you, around here. Perhaps I didn't even need to ask, but not everyone reading knows you, and it helps answer the OP.

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it's interesting that you seem to feel that way about your Moon, if perhaps 0 degrees is actually extra significant (maaaybe? )--that it's already mega highlighted... and if declinations were to support that, you know?

Yes, my moon is an all-around stand-out.

Pisces moon square Neptune & ruling the 12th.

Furthermore Saturn is in the 12H, on the moon-Neptune midpoint. Altogether they form a Fist of God (Saturn sesquiquadrate moon and Neptune.)

My Cap sun is the chart ruler, an earth singleton, in mutual reception with that Saturn. And of course:

Saturn 20°17'02" N
Neptune 20°50'44" S

Missing link in this patterning is my out-of-bounds Mars (25°51'00" N) which forms a t-square with the moon and Neptune, is tightly semisquare Saturn, and almost exactly quincunx my Cap sun (0.14° orb). Mars is further exaggerated by an exact sextile to Jupiter (0.00° orb).

Far be it from me to pile on data about a minor issue like my own chart, but it's like a complex mathematical structure or something, involving declinations. And I assume others have the same thing, though perhaps not everyone traces it out extensively enough to see it.

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