posted February 20, 2016 09:37 PM            

I was just wondering whether anyone knew of any indicators of the childhood experience?

I'm aware that IC can tell of childhood experiences. I'm pretty sure my partner's Moon/Saturn square also told of his relationship with parents.

posted February 20, 2016 10:15 PM            

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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
Mars in the 12th house in Scorpio is almost positively indicative of sexual abuse. Every sigle one of my friends is a Sag Rising and has a 12th house Scorpio Mars has had some abuse. Google "12th house Mars Scorpio sexual abuse"

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posted February 21, 2016 09:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Amethyatix:
Wow that's super interesting. I'll have to look out for that one. If only I knew the birth date & time of those I know who claim to have that experience..

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Hmm..
So is Mars in the 8th.

posted February 21, 2016 10:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Sun Ascendant:
Mars in the 12th house in Scorpio is almost positively indicative of sexual abuse. Every single one of my friends is a Sag Rising and has a 12th house Scorpio Mars has had some abuse. Google "12th house Mars Scorpio sexual abuse"

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Could it also not represent sexual repression, repressed anger or someone who has difficulties being openly assertive?

Childhood experiences are often indicated by the 2nd, 3rd and 4th house.

The 2nd house is the "meat" of the chart . And it is the foundational experience that someone has. Where their set value systems and beliefs tend to stem from.

The 3rd house is what you learn through observing, sharing and mingling with others. It is subjective intelligence and the ability one has to make sense of what is going on around them.

The 4th house is the domestic home, the emotional nature of where/how one grew up, the mother, the conditions of the early home environment etc. These have a lot on influence in what standing the individual takes in reaching out to the greater world(MC).

These houses do not stay stagnant however- as the chart is very dynamic and will change.

Someone who has Pluto transiting the 3rd house or the ruler of the 3rd( like I do now ) may reach a point where their antennae changes frequencies.

They may undergo a process of perceiving the life experience from a differing perspective than the one that they initially had.

posted February 21, 2016 10:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Could it also not represent sexual repression, repressed anger or someone who has difficulties being openly assertive?

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posted February 22, 2016 04:09 AM              

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
So if someone is born with these placements, does that COMPEL others to abuse or even sexually abuse the said person as a child?

That's how this thread is sounding to me.

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The stars impel but do not compel.

posted February 22, 2016 09:43 AM            

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Originally posted by deepseablues:
The stars impel but do not compel.

Basic astrology rule.

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I'm not sure if I was correct in choosing "compel." What I was thinking of is that the implications are that if a person does not have these placements then they are unlikely to be abused which implies that any astrological reasons for a person's behavior is actually overridden by the natal chart of someone else (as opposed to synastry and things like that). Which is to say that people are unlikely to abuse another unless they run into someone with these placements, which is to say no one (or very few) are INCLINED to abuse, at least not until they "mix" with someone with say an 8H Mars and then suddenly the inclination is there.

Upon reflection, I can agree that "impel" is better. That triviality aside, here's what I'm getting at:

I have repeatedly come across threads that say that how OTHER people act towards you is based on your own personal natal chart. NOT synastry and things like that, but that other people are motivated by the natal charts of others as opposed to the chart they were born with or by synastry.

That is, people are saying that "my natal chart determines the forces on other people as well as myself" which implies that one's own natal chart is more powerful than the natal charts around them. It also means you can read people by reading your own chart rather than the chart of other people. And that is a concept I'd like to see explored.

I would think an even more basic astrology rule is that people are shaped more by their own natal chart rather than the natal charts of others around them (again, not synastry).

I admit that I don't readily accept the premise of this thread and those like this thread (and think it comes from the belief that everything is our fault or say our "law of attraction" automatically overrides the free will of others and thus one's own natal chart does the same to the natal charts around them, or even a desire to not blame one's self or anyone else by saying it was out of anyone's control), but I am open to hearing an explanation of how it is so. I'd also hate for it to be true, but that won't stop me from accepting it, or at least acknowledging there is a solid reason to consider it possible (as opposed to "anything is possible") if explained the right way, as I've done before.

posted February 22, 2016 11:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
@Pixie, They're just discussing likelihood. Not ruling out the likelihood of other placements going through the same/similar things. Although I can see how that may seem implied, at first glance, by such threads..

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Okay, let me put it like this.

Someone comes to me and asks me to do a chart on her newborn. That child has an 8H Mars. I tell her the statements in this and other threads and sites. She asks me what she can do to prevent that kind of abuse from happening, something one wouldn't do with someone who didn't have that placement.

posted February 23, 2016 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
Mars in the 12th house in Scorpio is almost positively indicative of sexual abuse. Every sigle one of my friends is a Sag Rising and has a 12th house Scorpio Mars has had some abuse. Google "12th house Mars Scorpio sexual abuse"

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Same with Aries Mars in 12th house

posted February 26, 2016 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by deepseablues:
The stars impel but do not compel.

Basic astrology rule.

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