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Topic: How to guess someone's rising sign when you can't rectify the chart
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SunAscendant Knowflake Posts: 770 From: California Registered: Oct 2014
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posted February 21, 2016 02:27 AM
l need help determining this guy's rising sign. If I knew important events in his life I could rectify his chart using http://astro-app.net/apps-rectification.php?lang=EN, but alas I don't know much about him. He is half Mexican and half German so naturally he has Hispanic features and some German features: dark black hair, dark black eyes, tan skin, hairy hands, semi-tall height and an average (not too skinny and not fat) build. I was thinking Scorpio rising because of the dark features, especially the dark and piercing blackish brown eyes. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 1300 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted February 21, 2016 02:25 PM
There is no way whatsoever that anyone here can guess your friend's rising sign with information that skimpy. Not only that, but even as an expert I can easily make wrong guesses with people I don't know or cannot see in motion. In order to have any context at all to set up such a question, you must give us his birth data so that we can see what planetary energies/signs form the backdrop for such a question. Lastly, I entered my own birth data and answered all questions required by the website/app you linked above. This is what I got: While I applaud the efforts of whoever worked on such an app, the real failure here is one of the guiding theory behind it. I entered my documented birth time and chose a range of only +/- 10 minutes. For a 'rectification application' to be unable to even come up with an opinion for such a chart situation eliminates it from any consideration from me whatsoever. It got all the inside information from me it wanted and failed completely. Not a good endorsement. I tried again, broadening the time range to +/- 20 minutes, but again it gave me the same message of failure. So I tried using my sister's documented birth data and life events. It came up with a bogus time/Asc that was over half an hour and several degrees off at the Asc. Specific problems with the app are that it does not ask for or compute life events to the exact date -- only month and year. No rectification can be relied upon which does this. If it cannot succeed with such tight, specific birth data, then it will not be able to pick a correct rising sign out of 12 possibilities over 24 hours. ------------------ The Declinations Guy New - Salman Khan, Pisces rising Modern professional astrology - expert rectification IP: Logged |
SunAscendant Knowflake Posts: 770 From: California Registered: Oct 2014
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posted February 21, 2016 02:40 PM
I definitely didn't make the app. I'm technologically challenged hah.IP: Logged |
SunAscendant Knowflake Posts: 770 From: California Registered: Oct 2014
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posted February 21, 2016 02:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: There is no way whatsoever that anyone here can guess your friend's rising sign with information that skimpy. Not only that, but even as an expert I can easily make wrong guesses with people I don't know or cannot see in motion. In order to have any context at all to set up such a question, you must give us his birth data so that we can see what planetary energies/signs form the backdrop for such a question. Lastly, I entered my own birth data and answered all questions required by the website/app you linked above. This is what I got: While I applaud the efforts of whoever worked on such an app, the real failure here is one of the guiding theory behind it. I entered my documented birth time and chose a range of only +/- 10 minutes. For a 'rectification application' to be unable to even come up with an opinion for such a chart situation eliminates it from any consideration from me whatsoever. It got all the inside information from me it wanted and failed completely. Not a good endorsement. I tried again, broadening the time range to +/- 20 minutes, but again it gave me the same message of failure. So I tried using my sister's documented birth data and life events. It came up with a bogus time/Asc that was over half an hour and several degrees off at the Asc. Specific problems with the app are that it does not ask for or compute life events to the exact date -- only month and year. No rectification can be relied upon which does this. If it cannot succeed with such tight, specific birth data, then it will not be able to pick a correct rising sign out of 12 possibilities over 24 hours.
I definitely didn't make that app since I'm terrible with technology even though I'm a millenium and grew up with it lol. I know for certain he has a Virgo moon, Aries Mercury, Pisces Sun AND Pisces Venus (NOT conjunct, too wide of an orb) and Aquarius Mars His generational planets: Uranus and Neptune in Cap, Pluto in Scorpio and Jupiter in Virgo Obviously I don't know his rising so I can't say that so and so planet is in the seventh opposite the ascendant.
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Nine Moderator Posts: 2566 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted February 24, 2016 09:49 PM
Can I guess?I'll need the DOB of this last girlfriend, and when (year) they first became official. DOB of his bestie(s) and when they first started hanging out. Your DOB and time/year when you first noticed him. IP: Logged |
athenaia Knowflake Posts: 566 From: USA Registered: May 2015
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posted February 24, 2016 09:56 PM
Hm that website wasn't too bad.. I gave a birth time with room to be 50 minutes off, even purposefully selected the wrong ascendant it offered and the final result was an ASC only 3 degrees away from my natal one. Kinda fascinating. You'd definitely have to be really sure of the general ballpark of their birthtime, though. IP: Logged |
SunAscendant Knowflake Posts: 770 From: California Registered: Oct 2014
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posted February 29, 2016 04:15 AM
quote: Originally posted by Nine: Can I guess?I'll need the DOB of this last girlfriend, and when (year) they first became official. DOB of his bestie(s) and when they first started hanging out. Your DOB and time/year when you first noticed him.
I actually don't think he's had a gf (which is odd because we're both almost 24... but I shouldn't judge). I know one of his bffs was born June 22nd, 1992 but I don't know his birth time or birth city. I don't know when these two met either. I was born 4/22/92 at 10:35 am in Fountain Valley, CA. I have his birthday and birth city, but I don't want to give it out. I noticed him in January of this year. I don't know the exact day. Possibly around Jan 12th-14th. I also have only seen him online, I haven't met him in person. I know of him through the friend whose birth info was given above. They didn't go to my high school, so I'm like not super close with the friend.
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 16081 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted February 29, 2016 10:35 AM
quote: Originally posted by SunAscendant: If I knew important events in his life I could rectify his chart using http://astro-app.net/apps-rectification.php?lang=EN, but alas I don't know much about him.
No matter what I do, the rectification fails (for my chart). Darn IP: Logged |
SunAscendant Knowflake Posts: 770 From: California Registered: Oct 2014
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posted February 29, 2016 10:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: No matter what I do, the rectification fails (for my chart).Darn
That sucks. It works for other people IP: Logged |
outofideas Knowflake Posts: 96 From: Registered: Jul 2014
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posted February 29, 2016 05:26 PM
It fails for me also, and on other people i've tried it on.IP: Logged |
kewf1988 Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Registered: Dec 2015
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posted February 29, 2016 06:11 PM
This. It is possible to guess someone's rising sign, but that is all stuff that planetary aspects are known to effect (I never look at height or hair/eye color when looking for it as I'm a Virgo rising but a tall one as Jupiter in Taurus trines it). The "rule" is that mutable rising signs have a narrowish head, cardinal rising signs have a rounder head, and fixed rising signs have a squarish head. Then look at the "vibe" of the appearance and if the person has no planets in that sign, then you likely have the rising sign. If they do, look at the shape of the head and go from there. If you know the person and go by this rule, the house placements of the personal planets should match up too and the synastry should have plenty of conjunctions with your chart. quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: There is no way whatsoever that anyone here can guess your friend's rising sign with information that skimpy. Not only that, but even as an expert I can easily make wrong guesses with people I don't know or cannot see in motion. In order to have any context at all to set up such a question, you must give us his birth data so that we can see what planetary energies/signs form the backdrop for such a question. Lastly, I entered my own birth data and answered all questions required by the website/app you linked above. This is what I got: While I applaud the efforts of whoever worked on such an app, the real failure here is one of the guiding theory behind it. I entered my documented birth time and chose a range of only +/- 10 minutes. For a 'rectification application' to be unable to even come up with an opinion for such a chart situation eliminates it from any consideration from me whatsoever. It got all the inside information from me it wanted and failed completely. Not a good endorsement. I tried again, broadening the time range to +/- 20 minutes, but again it gave me the same message of failure. So I tried using my sister's documented birth data and life events. It came up with a bogus time/Asc that was over half an hour and several degrees off at the Asc. Specific problems with the app are that it does not ask for or compute life events to the exact date -- only month and year. No rectification can be relied upon which does this. If it cannot succeed with such tight, specific birth data, then it will not be able to pick a correct rising sign out of 12 possibilities over 24 hours.
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SunAscendant Knowflake Posts: 770 From: California Registered: Oct 2014
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posted February 29, 2016 06:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by kewf1988: This. It is possible to guess someone's rising sign, but that is all stuff that planetary aspects are known to effect (I never look at height or hair/eye color when looking for it as I'm a Virgo rising but a tall one as Jupiter in Taurus trines it). The "rule" is that mutable rising signs have a narrowish head, cardinal rising signs have a rounder head, and fixed rising signs have a squarish head. Then look at the "vibe" of the appearance and if the person has no planets in that sign, then you likely have the rising sign. If they do, look at the shape of the head and go from there. If you know the person and go by this rule, the house placements of the personal planets should match up too and the synastry should have plenty of conjunctions with your chart.
Then I'm pretty certain this person is a Taurus rising since he has a square head which fits the fixed sign appearance for rising signs.
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