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NYCdodger
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posted March 17, 2016 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone who knows me knows what my take on this is...but what is yours?

I know they are both equal, but i would like to know which part of the axid do you resonate with more..

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posted March 17, 2016 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's some food for thought... I know you don't like the seeming lack of consideration for the MC/IC axis (neither do I), but why not extend your approach to all houses. Give them ALL the consideration they deserve. I like Kapiel Raj's (KRS Channel on YouTube) definition of the ascendant. He describes it as more than a mask or outer personality. He calls it a "map" or "foundation" of your life (look up your ascendant on his channel), and this is how I like to understand it - as a whole. He's a Vedic astrologer though, and I know some people frown on applying Vedic concepts to western ways, but still, I like watching his interpretation for my western placements. Compared to other houses, all angular houses get more consideration. According to Wikipedia (on succedent houses):

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Because the angular houses are the most powerful places in the chart (Lilly says "Planets in angles do more forcibly show their effects"[2]), succedent houses—which are less powerful than the angular but more powerful than the cadent houses[3]—also have a quality of appertaining to the angular houses, much as a representative or underling of a powerful person. In this way, the second house, for example, which succeeds the first house of the body and personality, tends to signify the things that belong to the person. In a similar fashion, the eighth house, which follows the seventh house of the partner or spouse or “other person,” represents the belongings of the other person or partner. Succedent houses, as a whole, have a stable, unchanging, fixed quality, deriving from their central position in each quadrant of the chart.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succedent_house

All houses have a role in determining the complex beings that we are even if they only play a supportive role! Planetary placements may put more emphasis on particular houses than others. Less powerful shouldn't mean less relevant. In fact, if you have a stellium of planets in cadent houses, shouldn't one put as much effort into understand that house as an angular one. It's all kinda relative to me.

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posted March 17, 2016 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's as if they are more visible to others than they are to me.
I don't notice them all that much, personally. I'm not at all trying to say that they are not important. I agree that they are very, very important. I'm just saying that it's almost as if I'm blind to them in myself.

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posted March 17, 2016 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DopGang:
It's as if they are more visible to others than they are to me.
I don't notice them all that much, personally.

Right! How does one really separate it from the whole in order to understand it independently. Is it even possible?! I get dissecting the houses for theory's sake, but how much can you glean without comparing and contrasting it to the whole. I don't know how other people can accurately guess ascendants either.

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posted March 17, 2016 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Reachingforthestars

The post is about the angles, not the houses. I don't want to talk about all of the houses. I want to talk about the specific cardinal angles..

im not trying to convince anyone whats more important. I want people to share their personal experiences with the angles itself.

I know who KRS is as well

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posted March 17, 2016 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Right! I am talking about the angles. I'm saying I don't see them separate fm the whole. If the 11th house influences the 10th as wiki describes it:

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Traditionally, since the eleventh appertains to the tenth and the tenth was the house of the king, the eleventh has denoted the king's advisers, his council and allies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succedent_house#Eleventh_house

How can you come to an accurate understanding if you don't examine it in the entire context. How one resonates with a particular house depends on the circuitry of the whole. Besides a conceptual understanding of the different parts, I don't see how you can explain resonating more with one over others without putting it in context.

Like for me, it would be the ASC. My sun is conjunct my ASC along with my chart ruler (widely), giving me a first house emphasis. However, my moon is in cap and my 10th ruler is in my 7th. I have a lot of angular emphasis, but because of planetary placements I resonate most with my ASC. I should have mentioned this earlier.

I should add that my draconic sun/ASC conjuncts my MC axis in my solar chart... It's really hard for me to separate it all!

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posted March 17, 2016 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see and understand what you're saying. I also agree that they are apart of a greater whole, but at the same time the angles are still certain positions that affect certain areas in our lives and thats what i want people to talk about more.

Some people say that they feel more of their midheaven than their ascendant and even the IC is becoming more recognizable. Me personally, I resonate highly with my IC even though there aren't any planets there affecting it (except for my Lilith but thats not a planet. My Node trines it too).

Im not knocking the other houses or trying to discredit them, I just want to know peoples experiences with these specific types if they can share. But definitely agree with what you're saying that they are all important

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posted March 17, 2016 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spongebob     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
I see and understand what you're saying. I also agree that they are apart of a greater whole, but at the same time the angles are still certain positions that affect certain areas in our lives and thats what i want people to talk about more.

Some people say that they feel more of their midheaven than their ascendant and even the IC is becoming more recognizable. Me personally, I resonate highly with my IC even though there aren't any planets there affecting it (except for my Lilith but thats not a planet. My Node trines it too).

Im not knocking the other houses or trying to discredit them, I just want to know peoples experiences with these specific types if they can share. But definitely agree with what you're saying that they are all important



People really say that? I absolutely feel my ascendant more than any other angle, easily. Then again my ascendant ruler is cnjunct my midheaven so they're kinda all tied up to each other and have similar energy.

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posted March 17, 2016 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indeed! I get ya. They do say the angles are most powerful. I didn't think you were discrediting any particular house or placement, but I totally see how it could have been inferred when I reread my initial post. Not at all my my intentions to imply. Just thought you'd appreciate some perspective. Where's your IC? It's ruler?

You know what's funny my MC is in Pisces, my chart ruler is in my 12th house (about 10 degrees from my ASC). Like, how do I separate those energies!? Lol

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posted March 17, 2016 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Spongebob:

People really say that? I absolutely feel my ascendant more than any other angle, easily. Then again my ascendant ruler is cnjunct my midheaven so they're kinda all tied up to each other and have similar energy.

^ Yeah like this! This is what I mean! My husband is similar. He's a cancer rising with moon in Aries on his MC.

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posted March 17, 2016 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm totally derailing this thread, ain't I?! Sorry!

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posted March 17, 2016 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My IC is in Gemini...Mercury in Leo unaspected in the 7th house

@spongebob yes. people experience their angles differently. Some resonate more with their gravity axis (mc/ic) than magnet axis (asc/dsc)

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posted March 17, 2016 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
I'm totally derailing this thread, ain't I?! Sorry!

lol its fine

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posted March 17, 2016 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
My IC is in Gemini...Mercury in Leo unaspected in the 7th house

That makes sense, and no wonder I like the way you think!! I am a Gem Sun/ASC/Mercury after all!!!

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posted March 17, 2016 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here, I will show you my Draco / natal comparison (since it's ok I derail your thread!):

The Draco chart a.k.a the nodal chart supposed to have ties to your life path, soul purpose and all that, which is similar to what I read about the MC. Obviously, my MC should feature prominently into my life, but idk, I'm still trying to figure it out. I will come back to this thread once (if) I do!

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posted March 17, 2016 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not really good with Draco charts to be honest

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posted March 17, 2016 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NYCdodger:
Not really good with Draco charts to be honest

Me either which is why I don't understand it.

**Derailing deferred until then!**

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posted March 18, 2016 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReadingTheStars95     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel that I relate with my IC and ASC the most

The thing is, though, my ASC is ruled by the same planet my Sun-sign is.

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posted March 18, 2016 02:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For me it seems to be the IC in Leo that I resonate with mostly.

Since it has a certain affinity to emotional sensitivity/Cancer and all things related to feelings. I understand that.

Most people mistake me for Cancer anyways when interacting with me. So I guess having Leo(Ego) on the IC can be a part of my Sun(ruler of IC) expression.

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posted March 18, 2016 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel more of a connection with my DSC than anything but else, but that's also where my Sun, Mercury and Venus are.

But then I also notice my Gemini IC, maybe because my Moon and Mars are in the same sign. Kind of a wandering, detached sense of nostalgia. I miss the idea of the past, but I have no problems turning lose of physical objects in order to move on. It's a strange kind of feeling.

I really only notice my ASC in my appearance. I also look very much like a Virgo and kind of have an airy appearance as well. I can't say that it's integrated or that I'm even aware of it. I certainly don't "feel" like a Pisces ASC, but then I'm not sure how many people really feel their ASCs. Maybe some do, I don't know.

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posted March 18, 2016 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nyctea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like this topic!
Both ASC/DSC and IC/MC are extremely important to me. I have fixed energy prominent in my chart too, basically i feel Leo, Aqua, Scorpio and Taurus in my chart more than anything else.

Leo ASC. I love it My mom and 3 of my friends have Leo Moons and it falls in my 1st house. I feel very comfortable around them.

Scorpio IC. Lately(and for the next 30 years or more who knows) i'm feeling Scorpio energy more because tPluto hitting my planets. I remember "mistaking" myself as a Scorpio when i didn't know anything about astrology, that was years ago.

Aquarius DSC. This is where my "stellium in whole sign system" is. I have 4 planets in Aquarius. I attract Aquarius dominant people a lot, even if they don't have Aquarius placements. I don't think i "disown" these planets tbh! Instead it gives a "Libra colour" to them.

Taurus MC. This is a good placement. It says a lot about how i'd like to work: where i feel safe. Safe = home (at least for me) etc. Unfortunately i tend to be lazy about career matters. I have a Taurus Moon(receveing 3 squares, Venus Uranus and Neptune ) in the 9th/10th cusp.

But I'd say that Scorpio/Taurus feels stronger for me.

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posted March 18, 2016 04:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReachingForTheStars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NYC,

So far, everyone's responses kinda illustrate what I mean about circuitry. Have you ever gone through yours? Aries23 makes a good point about his chart, and your circuitry is kinda similar. Your IC is in Gemini, it's ruler is in Leo in your 7th house unaspected. I've read unaspected planets can dominate a chart (this alone could be the culprit for your affinity with the IC). Mercury in Leo is disposed by your sun (ego). Where is your sun? How strong is it? What is it disposed by? Are these planets your dominants? These things can help explain your resonance with this part of your chart. I've read that dispositors don't direct the energy (as it is sometimes inferred when we use terms like "lord" and "ruler") of the planet it disposes, it channels it. Some plantes operate in a looped system (mutual reception), others are expressed through a planet(s) in domicile signs. Sometimes, it can seem like there are an infinite amount of reasons behind a certain energetic resonance. What is the circuitry like for your other angles. Do you find that your IC is the most dominant or complex? So many facets of yourself could be entangled in this one area.

Do you have planets in Gemini? Do you relate more towards mercurial energy or specifically the energy of Gemini on your 4th house cusp (4th house themes experienced with a Gem twist?). What's your theory on why you relate more to your IC than the other angles (sorry haven't read all your threads on the subject). Is there anything specific you're looking to learn, or just general experiences?

Here's a pretty good article on dispositorship: http://www.bluelightlady.com/blog/2014/02/whos-in-charge-of-your-chart/

I know! I'm going on and on talking about stuff you're not really asking about. Lol! I don't really expect you to answer all these questions by the way! Just some things to think about. When you consider things this way, it kinda becomes obvious why some people vibrate more towards one axis than another. Add back in the themes of the houses and what a complex web it becomes. I'm officially leaving now as I have throughly overwhelmed myself!

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posted March 18, 2016 05:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I resonate with my cap asc. It conjuncts my chart ruler and is near my NN, and in the same sign as my sun and stellium, so I think that's why. The taurus IC describes my ideal comfort zone/habitat - like to be at peace, surrounded by pleasing things that appeal to the senses. Mind free of worries and strife, some soft marshmallow-y pillows, fragrant flowers, good food good wine good company...etc... - my heaven.

Groovin' like Baloo

Don't feel my cancer dsc or my scorp MC.

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posted March 18, 2016 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's interesting!
Like @StubbornVirgo, I identify with my Dsc more than my Asc, but I also think that it might have to do with my 7th house stellium and Sun/mercury on the Dsc! Plus venus in Cancer. Btw, I have no capricorn planets. So, it might have to do with this, too!
It's not like I can't identify at all with my cap Asc, but I think it doesn't describe me accurately as the "mask" I have in the world, but I may be wrong anyway, I can't tell how other people see me!
As for the MC/IC, when I learnt about its importance, I was really baffled, because I can't really resonate with my Taurus IC. Between IC and MC, I identify more with my MC! Although, after some thought, I found some traits that are connected to taurus (I am a bit lazy at home for instance lol ), but I still find my MC more relevant.

Between Dsc and MC I think I can't choose lol

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posted March 18, 2016 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Family/personal relations may impact how you resonate with your MC/IC

While the outside world may speak on how you resonate with your ASC/DC

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