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Electro DGX
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posted March 22, 2016 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been wondering of possible creative indicators that I have in my natal chart. There have been people pointing out creative factors in other people's natal charts that didn't stand out to me right away, so I was wondering if I could have some help pin-pointing the factors contributing to my creative side, which I indulge in quite often. I'm a musician, I write, I'm taking a Graphic Design class and create my own art such as my Logo, covers for singles and etc.

Thanks in advance

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posted March 22, 2016 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pisces 5th house with Jupiter
5HR Neptune conjunct Mercury and Sun & square Mars
NN in Leo
Venus sextile Saturn
I suspect your Sun on the IC and Neptune in the 3rd could contribute to it too

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posted March 22, 2016 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ann7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jupiter in the 5th is always good for fun and creativity... Mars conjunct ascendent from the 12th - you are a power house but you have moments where you doubt yourself or feel insecure (?)

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posted March 22, 2016 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ann7:
Jupiter in the 5th is always good for fun and creativity... Mars conjunct ascendent from the 12th - you are a power house but you have moments where you doubt yourself or feel insecure (?)


Not really. I don't doubt myself, nor have I ever felt insecure. I'm actually really confident in myself. I've heard that because it's such a tight aspect, it expresses itself more so in the first house rather than the twelfth.

Jupiter in the 5th is a factor I wanted to consider as well, but the interpretations I read don't put forth such a claim, which is disappointing tbh. Nevertheless I still believe it to be a factor lol

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posted March 22, 2016 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Pisces 5th house with Jupiter
5HR Neptune conjunct Mercury and Sun & square Mars
NN in Leo
Venus sextile Saturn
I suspect your Sun on the IC and Neptune in the 3rd could contribute to it too


I'm wondering how that Venus-Saturn sextile would affect it. Interesting...

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posted March 22, 2016 10:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As others have already said, Jupiter in the 5th.

Moon trine Mercury, although a bit wide, I think it's still valid even for putting your emotions into words in a creative way.

Moon trine Neptune

Neptune conj. Mercury


T-square with Mars, Neptune and Mercury as the apex and Saturn can give you energy and will (Mars) for communicating/writing (Mercury) in a creative way, by using your imagination (Neptune) and by having patience and discipline (Saturn) in doing that.


Plus there is a second T-square with the Sun (your own identity and sense of self). In that case, the release point of the t-square is about 6 Leo, which is conjunct your MC and puts all these planets into action and out in the world (MC).


Just a thought and a bit intuitive interpretation, maybe some more experienced than me will offer their opinion, too!


ETA : Rulers, as Aunt has already correctly said..
Ruler of 5th Neptune, placed in the 3rd. Creation (5th) in communicating/writing (3rd).

Mercury, the natural 3rd house ruler in its own house, 3rd. It's more powerful that way


Ruler of your MC, Sun, on the IC/MC axis.

Lastly, your Venus (as an art symbol), is the point of Thales. I don't know much about patterns, but they are interesting and important.
Point of Thales from here http://aliceportman.com/point-of-thales/

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posted March 22, 2016 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How does your 5th harmonic chart look like?

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posted March 22, 2016 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
How does your 5th harmonic chart look like?

hahaha, Ceri, glad that you are here!
Can you please take a look into the interpretation I gave ElectroDgx?
Thank you!

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posted March 22, 2016 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
How does your 5th harmonic chart look like?

From first hand it should explain so much. Lots of Pisces and Leo placements.
Omg there's a finger of god :O

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posted March 22, 2016 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm, ElectroDGX, sorry to be that blunt, I have already told you that I like Aquas lol, but a thank you wouldn't be bad!
I say that in a good way, I wrote an entire post analyzing your placements and although I admit I am far from the best astrologer in here (I already asked for Ceri's help for my interpretation), a "thank you" shows at least a little appreciation for my effort! This is not personal and I am not trying to start a fight, I simply say it as I feel it!

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posted March 22, 2016 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hmmm, ElectroDGX, sorry to be that blunt, I have already told you that I like Aquas lol, but a thank you wouldn't be bad!
I say that in a good way, I wrote an entire post analyzing your placements and although I admit I am far from the best astrologer in here (I already asked for Ceri's help for my interpretation), a "thank you" shows at least a little appreciation for my effort! This is not personal and I am not trying to start a fight, I simply say it as I feel it!

Do not assume that I'm not thankful for the contribution you made. I am thankful for anyone who comes across one of my topic posts and has the initiative to give a detailed responze on the matter, whether or not they may be entirely correct, and that includes you. Once I've got a better understanding of the answer to my question, and a general grasp of what the answer is, I typically thank everyone in the end for taking the time to respond to my topic.

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posted March 22, 2016 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
Do not assume that I'm not thankful for the contribution you made. I am thankful for anyone who comes across one of my topic posts and has the initiative to give a detailed responze on the matter, whether or not they may be entirely correct, and that includes you. Once I've got a better understanding of the answer to my question, and a general grasp of what the answer is, I typically thank everyone in the end for taking the time to respond to my topic.

Ok, maybe it was a misunderstanding from my part then. Let's forget about it.

Since you said about not being entirely correct, which I admit is more than possible , can you give me some feedback to that? Which part you can't identify with? I mean I am still learning to interpret natals and so any help and feedback with that is really useful and helpful for me, too!


ETA :Nice yod in your 5th harmonic btw, though I can't help you with that at all!


Plus, I just saw that you have 2 other points of thales, too..Your Sun and your Uranus!! From the above link..
"The planet that is the focus of the sextile and trine is the Point of Thales planet. It is a great asset in enabling you to use your opposition in a balanced, co-operative way that benefits all parties."

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posted March 22, 2016 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not that you were wrong with the interpretation, what I meant is that whether or not the intepretation is right, I'm still thankful for at least getting a response. A lot of what you said seemed to be on point

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posted March 22, 2016 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
It's not that you were wrong with the interpretation, what I meant is that whether or not the intepretation is right, I'm still thankful for at least getting a response. A lot of what you said seemed to be on point

If that's true, then I am glad that I helped!
And thank you for the feedback, it really helps in these initial stages of natal interpretations I guess! It's a 2-ways (exchange) thing to my understanding! I still feel pretty anxious when I try to interpret natals, so maybe that was the real cause of the misunderstanding. :/
If I come up with something new, I'll get back to you!

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posted March 22, 2016 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
From first hand it should explain so much. Lots of Pisces and Leo placements.
Omg there's a finger of god :O

Signs do not matter in harmonic chart, as these simply blow up the natal (5 times in the case of 5th harmonic chart) and make it easier to see on one glance how your 5th harmonic aspects are spread, which will appear as conjunction (unless they were already conjunct or opposite in the natal, those also appear as conjunction in the harmonic chart).

Nevertheless while 5th harmonic chart is about creativity, I also noticed that for creative people who are successful or very expressive with their creativty usually additionally there are 10th harmonic aspects, which appear as opposition. I think that is maybe because it shows how those 5th harmonic creative ideas are being applied and manifested in a way that others can see them too.

Here in this case we see a very strong picture with the Yod of Venus-Saturn to Moon-Jupiter- NN (the Moon-Jupiter quintile alone would have led me to think of a high creativity btw).
It is even a boomerang Yod, as Pluto is opposite MOon.

In short, Moon as well as Pluto are occupying the Venus/Saturn-mp, it makes for a very tight interconnection between Venus, Saturn, Pluto and Moon, with Moon also connected to Jupiter, and all that in the 5th harmonic chart so it has to be connected to creativity somehow.

I am a surprised a little at the kind of planets here, while MOon and Venus and Jupiter are indicative of a wealth of creativity, somehow I would have expected Uranus to be part of it. Venus/Saturn is actually the classical combination for, well, a classical composer, or someone who composes things in a very structured way (like Bach for example).
I donīt know of course how you do make music, but somehow with your name, I would have thouht more about Uranus-involvement. No clue how to interprete this here.


BTW Mercury-Neptune is very creative as well, though it makes me think more of poetry almost. Do you write lyrics, too?

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posted March 22, 2016 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah I just read you do graphic design, i can see that with the Saturn-picture and also with Mercury-Neptune. Yes makes sense.

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posted March 22, 2016 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

ETA : Rulers, as Aunt has already correctly said..
Ruler of 5th Neptune, placed in the 3rd. Creation (5th) in communicating/writing (3rd).


I think that is bit, especially with Neptune here, too. Also Jupiter in 5th can be creative, so sometimes he just wants to have fun.

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posted March 22, 2016 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In fact I am just looking at some actors/ musicians 5th harmonic charts right now, and it is baffling what CLEAR and BOLD chartimages they have. Wow!

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posted March 22, 2016 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I think that is bit, especially with Neptune here, too. Also Jupiter in 5th can be creative, so sometimes he just wants to have fun.


"I think that is bit" lol, sorry I didn't understand anything!

Do you think the patterns, t-squares etc. are relevant, too? Or are they too general and we should look for something more specific for creativity, such as the 5th harmonic that you suggested?
Nice intepretation btw, thanks for that, although it's not mine lol, it helps to understand the harmonics better!
What is so exceptional in the 5th HR charts of the artists that you mentioned btw?

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posted March 22, 2016 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Big" was the word, like important, ruler 5th in 3rd house always has to do with expressing you creativity, often by the use of words or communicating something.

I would look for major patterns in the 5th harmonic chart. That is actually what stands out in the charts of these actors, too.

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posted March 22, 2016 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"Big" was the word, like important, ruler 5th in 3rd house always has to do with expressing you creativity, often by the use of words or communicating something.

I would look for major patterns in the 5th harmonic chart. That is actually what stands out in the charts of these actors, too.


Big, yes, thank you!!! Hahaha, oh my God! I am so embarrassed, lol

Ok, I understand, thank you for your help!
I'll try that with the 5th harmonics eventually

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posted March 22, 2016 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You should do that, apart from creativity, they are just so sparkly and bubbly in romance, too! That is where you can have a lot of fun together, and while being at it, create something (anyone else thinking of sex right now? )

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posted March 22, 2016 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
You should do that, apart from creativity, they are just so sparkly and bubbly in romance, too! That is where you can have a lot of fun together, and while being at it, create something (anyone else thinking of sex right now? )

Hahahaha

MEEEE !!!!

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posted March 22, 2016 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't write song lyrics yet. I do plan on it though.

Here's my 10th harmonic chart if you want to compare:

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posted March 22, 2016 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am still trying to figure out the meaning of 10th harmonic charts on their own, but thy seem relevant, and yours is no expection. Lovely interconnected shape.

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