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Ceridwen
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posted March 23, 2016 10:08 AM
  
just coming across this video by David Cochrane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_C72bP1seM
He mentiones the 11th harmonic chart being exceptionally strong in MUSICIANS (or highlighting music as creative art in some way), so I HAD to have a look at Mr Sag`s chart naturally. 
(I mean his first solo album had the title "I am music" after a song from the Mozart-musical, one of his leading roles)
This is his 11th harmonic. Is Cochrane right? Is it a strong 11th harmonic chart?
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oh boy you can BET it is!
See that Yod, with the exact Moon-Venus-aspect at the base, the apex Mercury being conjoined with the North Node - I mean seriously what better planetary configuration than Moon-Venus-Mercury than describe a SINGER?
And then we find at the release point
Uranus (well the role of Mozart was very very close to his own type of personality, as he admitted himself and certainly he was exhibiting some Uranian eccentricness and childishness apart from the obvious genius of course).
Anyway it also describes Mr Sag very very well, the impulsive, spontaneous, crazy actions he seems to do when he is on stage and well expressing himself so directly through music. It`s like an idea comes to his head and flows out of him in form of some spontaneous change of the music or the lyrics.  You`ll never know what comes next!
And this fits also Cochrane`s video in terms of direct midpoint structures as of course this means:
NN opposite Moon/Venus 0°05 (with the Moon/Venus directly falling onto the SN,one could wonder if that maybe was not his first life or incarnation he did that. )
Nevertheless what a pattern! lol
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Ceridwen
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posted March 23, 2016 10:24 AM
I am not a professional musician (though I do have some basic knowledge about playing the electric piano, flute and a tiny little bit of guitar, but nothing really much), however music has always been such a profound part of my life, I just figured I make a better listener and recipient than actively making music.
I do get the feeling however ESPECIALLY in relation to Mr Sag, I am sort of a good reflector/screen, like he can send out some of his creative vibes, and somehow I reflect something back to him that sort of energizes him. Not sure I explain it right though.
Anyway of course my 11th harmonic chart is not that together as his, but I found it interesting nevertheless.
 [/URL] There is a minor triangle of Mercury to Venus and both to Saturn (much more classically oriented I suppose ).
Though that is not end of the story as it seems my Venus-Jupiter-Uranus are having 11th harmonic aspects to each other! (for conjunction an 11 degree orb in 11th harmonic chart equals only 1 degree of orb in the natal). So my midpoint structure that stands out to me is: Saturn conjunct Mercury/Venus 0°03 - now that is very tight (did I mention I like classic music, too? ) Venus is widely conjunct Jupiter/Uranus 1°46 - too wide probably to count, however it also appears in the natal chart with a 10 minute orb (it seems though not all midpoint structures are the same in harmonic chart and natal chart, for example my natal does NOT have Saturn = Mercury/Venus) Interestingly enough it would almost have become a Kite, but Pluto and Sun are much too wide to form a trine (4 degrees are allowable at most, so Mercury was ALMOST there. lol) I feel inclined to tentatively count it, also because Venus opposite Mercury/Pluto 0°20
Mercury opposite Jupiter/Pluto 1°05 (=radix)
Pluto opposite Mercury/Uranus 0°21
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Aunt Anomalia
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posted March 23, 2016 10:29 AM
Ahem. Is this chart promising for someone who has a music producer fantasy? And do you find hSun exactly conjunct nSun and the ASC reversed noteworthy?  Here is Dero's chart (more or less). I was expecting something more impressive but hey, at least we share the Sun   Btw, I did 11h composite and we got ASC conjunct Sun, IC conjunct Moon, Jupiter square MC-IC, Jupiter-Mercury-NN (within 10 deg), Chiron conjunct Venus. Do you think he'd sing for me?  ------------------
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Ceridwen
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posted March 23, 2016 10:51 AM
our 11th harmonic synastry,
I think it is pretty easy to spot the "hooks"  [/URL]
leading into this 11th harmonic composite
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And before you start pitying Venus - she is on the Sun/Saturn-midpoint, which is an amazingly practical grounded picture in that chart.
other direct midpoints: SN conjunct Uranus/Pluto 1°36 - wide
Sun conjunct Mercury/MC 0°16
Mars conjunct Moon/Pluto 0°08 - T-square
ASC conjunct Moon/Pluto 0°02
Uranus conjunct Sun/Moon 0°05
Neptune opposite Sun/Moon 0°56
Neptune conjunct Pluto/NN 0°47
Saturn conjunct Venus/MC 0°31
Saturn opposite Mars/Pluto 0°52
Saturn opposite ASC/Pluto 0°55
Mercury opposite Uranus/MC 0°13
IC conjunct Sun/ASC 0°15
IC conjunct Sun/Mars 0°18
Moon conjunct Venus/Jupiter 0°15
Pluto opposite NN/Uranus 0°13
Pluto conjunct Sun/Neptune 1°30 wide IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted March 23, 2016 10:56 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
And do you find hSun exactly conjunct nSun and the ASC reversed noteworthy?
No, I donīt. Just focusing on the harmonic aspect in themselves, like Cochrane does. IP: Logged |
Aunt Anomalia
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posted March 23, 2016 10:59 AM
Boohoo...as you say, sensei. My grand cross is countable, right?------------------
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Ceridwen
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posted March 23, 2016 11:00 AM
AA, Dero seems to have uranus on the Sun/Moon-mp as part of a minor square. That certainly explains the shockvalue at the core of his music. Sun-Mars in 11th harmonic aspect is intersting, too. Quite a masculine sort of music. Mercury-Venus 11th harmonic aspect unless it is conjunct in his natal chart - just like in Mr Sag`s chart a combo of Mercury-Venus makes me think of a singer.
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Ceridwen
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posted March 23, 2016 11:01 AM
And yes, your Grand Cross is very impressive. IP: Logged |
Aunt Anomalia
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posted March 23, 2016 11:05 AM
Dero does have a Mercury-Venus conjunction in the natal. quote:
Dero seems to have uranus on the Sun/Moon-mp as part of a minor square. That certainly explains the shockvalue at the core of his music.
Add to this his Uranus conjunct ASC and probably square MC-IC. quote:
Sun-Mars in 11th harmonic aspect is intersting, too. Quite a masculine sort of music.
Add to this his Aries Sun. quote:
And yes, your Grand Cross is very impressive.
I like that Uranus is involved cause I'd be interested in making electronic music mainly. ------------------
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Ceridwen
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posted March 23, 2016 11:26 AM
Yes uranus and Electronic music fits.i wonder how electros 11th chart looks like.IP: Logged |
Sunnya
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posted March 23, 2016 12:32 PM
I play the violin/fiddle and used to play electronic keyboard when I was little.
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Ceridwen
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posted March 23, 2016 12:47 PM
Jupiter on Uranus/Neptune-mp as focus of the T-square plus exact Venus-Mars, yes i can see that. Do you feel attracted to musicians? IP: Logged |
Sunnya
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posted March 23, 2016 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Jupiter on Uranus/Neptune-mp as focus of the T-square plus exact Venus-Mars, yes i can see that.
Exact Venus/Mars is a bit mind boggling for me here.
I was expecting to see Mercury/Uranus/Neptune action which there is, a bit wide for Mercury maybe...
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Do you feel attracted to musicians?
Nope lol. Edit: Btw, when I took fiddle classes, my teacher was also a Sag. He used to perform regularly and has published CD's and so on. I see a lot of Sags in the music scene! IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted March 23, 2016 01:20 PM
Mercury is either conjunct or in 11th harmonic aspect to Neptune, but not opposite or square the others. Still Mercury-Neptune seems pretty big as well. IP: Logged |
Sunnya
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posted March 23, 2016 04:48 PM
Yes , it shows Mercury conjunct Neptune in the 11th harmonic, but the orb is 6. Isn't it a bit wide for an harmonic chart?IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted March 23, 2016 05:17 PM
No, 12 degree is the orb for a conjunction in harmonic charts (6 degrees for opposition, 4 degrees for trine, 3 degrees for square etc.). If you find a conjunction of 11 degrees in 11th harmonic, it means that your natal has an 11th harmonic aspect within 1 degree of orb. IP: Logged |
angel4845
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posted March 23, 2016 05:41 PM
Ceridwen,That's interesting how mr. Sag has the YOD in his chart I find that very significant as a musician himself because both of my class mates/friends from my music university (im also a musician/singer getting my BA in music) both of them have a YOD as well. I can post there charts and along mine if your interested? I have studied music/jazz singing all my life and I have the Grand Trine in my chart. Let me know if your interested if it will help you see other musician 11th harmonics as well. ------------------
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Ceridwen
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posted March 23, 2016 05:54 PM
Yes, Angel, I am VERY interested to see those. And interesting also that you have more examples of Yods! If I may ask, which planets comprised these? And how about the direct midpoint structures?
Well Cochrane goes on about the 5th harmonic as the creative chart - we knew that- but also mentions the 25th harmonic as the "super creative" chart (because it is an octave of the 5th harmonic of course: 5x5)
I couldn`t resist but having a look at both our 25th harmonic. I was surprised to see mine to be honest, but his, sure, makes total sense to me.
his 25th  [/URL] my 25th   [/URL]
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Electro DGX
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posted March 23, 2016 06:16 PM
As an electronic musician myself, I thought I'd drop in my 11th harmonic chart. It's got quite some interesting stuff in it.  IP: Logged |
Sunnya
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posted March 23, 2016 06:16 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No, 12 degree is the orb for a conjunction in harmonic charts (6 degrees for opposition, 4 degrees for trine, 3 degrees for square etc.). If you find a conjunction of 11 degrees in 11th harmonic, it means that your natal has an 11th harmonic aspect within 1 degree of orb.
Ah I see, I understand now. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for explaining! IP: Logged |
angel4845
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posted March 23, 2016 06:18 PM
Wooooowwww that looks great your 25th harmonic chart!!!!! Woooowwwww!!! Are you creative by any chance? You gotta have some talent in something!! Okay I'll post the charts when I get home today! My old crush from school not so much now anymore he is a guitar player and has his own band and his family toured with the grateful dead don't know if your into 60s psychedelic rock? But his family was into that music and his music sounds very much like progressive rock and gigs all over the west coast. His YOD is
Jupiter in Aries at 16 degrees
Neptune in Scorpio at 14 degrees
Uranus in Virgo at 12 degrees I will post his chart when I get home. My other friend who Is a singer also writes songs and gigs as a studio singer all the time that's his main income gigging singing rock music. His YOD is
Uranus in Scorpio at 16 degrees
Sun in Aries at 15 degrees
Pluto in Aries at 14 degrees
Saturn in Gemini at 13 degrees I'll post his chart when I get home and I'll post my chart later. Also I don't think I've heard of midpoint pictures before? What is that exactly? ------------------
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angel4845
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posted March 23, 2016 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
As an electronic musician myself, I thought I'd drop in my 11th harmonic chart. It's got quite some interesting stuff in it.
Nice!!!! Grand trine with uranus!! I also got the grand trine too electro. ------------------
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Electro DGX
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posted March 23, 2016 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by angel4845:
Nice!!!! Grand trine with uranus!! I also got the grand trine too electro.
Nice! There's also a Cradle, which looks interesting.
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posted March 23, 2016 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
Nice! There's also a Cradle, which looks interesting.
Yeah I can see but im so jealous of your GRAND CROSS YOU GOT THERE!! That's aweesome !! ------------------
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posted March 23, 2016 08:58 PM
Ceridwen,Here are there charts my friend the singer/songwriter.  my old crush (guitar player has his own band)
 Me.
 & my 25th harmonic chart.
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