posted March 25, 2016 05:39 PM            

Both energies want to get along, but my Asc can accidentally out the vitality of my fire energy if I'm not careful. Despite this, my fire energy still ends up having to protect or fight on behalf of my less forward water energy. My specific Scorpio Asc (with it's ruler Pluto being in the 12th) is very shy and sometimes gets walked on. Yet in reality I am ablaze with so much fire inside and it really comes out in situations where my strength is needed. In the end, when both energies fuse, an entirely new element is born. This video depicted all of this sooo well lol

posted March 26, 2016 01:53 AM            

I think that Fire and Water can balance each other out nicely, although one will overtake the other occasionally.

posted March 26, 2016 04:42 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I thought I responded to this again. I must have accidentally posted it to a different thread. But this was lovely.

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I agree (about it being lovely).

I have Pisces Sun with Leo Rising.
I'm not sure how I feel about my fire and water. I think they compliment each other reasonably well in my case, but I feel sometimes that it's actually my earth placements that smother my fire.

posted March 26, 2016 07:02 AM            

With a strong fire chart,there is a need to "accomplish",act and do something that will have you seen by many.

Emotions(water)act as a vantage point from which you act(fire). And often those actions are instinctive and immediate.

Emotions inspire action. Action inspires emotions. And on and on the wheel we go.

The crux of the energy with this combo is having to get the timing right.

Yes, the Asc in water can at times make one fearful or paranoid(when taken to extremes). But fire energy balances the water energy's subjective fears and hangups by always calling it to "try".

So when the Asc in water is looking at a new situation and thinks it better to just avoid it, one can almost feel the fire curiosity within say "try".

And when the fire energy has acted too impulsively and managed to antagonize the environment around them or bitten off more than they can chew,the water Asc advises "reflect".

So the two have to work together for the results to be fruitful.

If in the former instance,fire is ignored -life will feel too "safe". If in the latter instance water is ignored, life may feel too hostile or turbulent.

posted March 26, 2016 10:48 AM            

haha I agree with what you said, thanks for sharing!

posted March 26, 2016 04:59 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I thought I responded to this again. I must have accidentally posted it to a different thread. But this was lovely.

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posted March 26, 2016 05:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
I feel sometimes that it's actually my earth placements that smother my fire.

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You know this is very true too. I have lots of Cap placements and a Virgo Mid.H

Even as a child I was very mentally mature (which had plenty of up sides) but it also put a wet blanket on lots of things.

posted March 26, 2016 06:04 PM            

I definitely identify with what you wrote. Thats exactly how my fire/water interact. Sometimes I feel like two different ppl based on my fire going "stop being so safe/boring, live a little" and my water going "but what if this and what if that". Often I am super paranoid but then randomly I will do something "seemingly" totally out of character and spontaneous lol. I'm basically shy/reserved yet I do definitely feel the need to accomplish, act, and do things that will have me seen by many. Scorp Asc makes me go about it in a covert way but the end result is the same lol. Ppl around me will just have no idea why or how I reached that position. I love attention but not socializing so its kind of odd. Its like "yaay look at me" but don't talk to or touch me. Ppl assume this is me being rude or stuck up but really its just my fire craving fire things but my water being too uncomfortable/shy to fully embrace all aspects of it. At times, to avoid issues and misconceptions, I just keep to myself and suppress my fire traits.
Its not a very happy life lol.

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Asc in Water "feel" their way through life and are very comfortable in the realm of emotional complexes.

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Perhaps it is my Gemini Moon/Mars but I am terrible with emotional complexes. I can analyze and form lots of sensible conclusions/thoughts regarding such things but I noticed that when ppl cry around me I have no idea how to feel. I may do expected human comforting but my insides will be awkward. I usually have no idea how to feel about my own emotional stuff either smh. I'd rather convert my emotions into writings, noises, or a dance than simply "feel" them lol

posted March 27, 2016 02:13 AM            

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Originally posted by DeeMonroe:
The struggle is not letting it dominant or I'll brood forever.

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posted March 27, 2016 02:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:
This is good but I was really ready to see YOU in diff costume, so I am disappointed LBC .
yeah I know, my problem,,

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LOL I definitely see how that could be thought. Maybe next time

posted March 27, 2016 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by LittleBlackCat:
[b]@Aries23Degrees: Wow you are such an eloquent and detailed writer (I notice this every time I see one of your posts whether I agree or not). Reminds me of my lengthy posts but more formal/organized (lol sorry for the vanity hehehe). We are both Sag, do you happen to also have any strong Mercurial energy? [/B]

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Fellow Sag

I have Cap Mercury ,so I guess I try to be the "authority" in what I write?

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Originally posted by LittleBlackCat:
Perhaps it is my Gemini Moon/Mars but I am terrible with emotional complexes. I can analyze and form lots of sensible conclusions/thoughts regarding such things but I noticed that when ppl cry around me I have no idea how to feel. I may do expected human comforting but my insides will be awkward. I usually have no idea how to feel about my own emotional stuff either smh. I'd rather convert my emotions into writings, noises, or a dance than simply "feel" them lol

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Love how you put that. And this is exactly true-as Gemini Moon avoids "feeling" and goes towards analyzing.

I have a Virgo Moon friend that I am always telling to just "chill" and let things "be" etc. But he looks at me like "what the hell does all that really mean?"

So he'll ask me to explain stuff. And god forbid I use the "incorrect" word or one that has an unclear definition. As he will scrutinize that word to get the meaning behind it etc.

I guess for Mercury-Moon people, the realm of emotions is one that is perplexing.I often find that with him,he is better at dealing with emotions in retrospect than in "real time".

In this way he can put words to events and the words somehow send guidance towards feelings?

To make another example,I had a Gemini Sun colleague who reacted very emotionally to a news anchor saying "At-least 40 people have been reported to have been hospitalized..."

The word "at least" just got his panties in a twist. In his definition,he hated how it seemed to sort of "trivialize" the event and he was very emotionally responsive to that word in the sentence.

I was not sure whether he was more emotional about the 40 people being hospitalized? Or the way in which it was reported?

I wondered if it mattered at all? Because if the reporter had said "40 people have been reported to be hospitalized", would he have been equally outraged?

Your attempt at analyzing feelings and putting words to them is like working backward-which is what rational people do; they want to connect with the word that will somehow revisit the feeling.

So you find the feeling,attach the appropriate word and then rediscover the feeling behind the word.

It is simply orgasmic to listen to a song and just "know" both rationally and intuitively what the singer says. And before you know it, tears are streaming down your face. You ask "what is this?Emotion?"
I have Mars in Libra. I get it

posted March 27, 2016 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:I have Cap Mercury on the 9th, so I guess I try to be the authority in what I write?

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Unless your 9th house isn't ruled by sag

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
...he is better at dealing with emotions in retrospect than in "real time".

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Yep this is me all the way. During the actual situation I feel sort of disconnected...as if I'm outside of myself watching what's happening and thus too busy to actually participate (b/c I'm observing). So my reaction may be either delayed, inappropriate (like laughing when something is serious), or may not come at all (indifferent / monotone). It's a love-hate relationship b/c on one hand, I am happy that I rarely have emotional blow-ups or meltdowns like other ppl. Yet on the other hand, other ppl's reactions to my behavior make it seem like I am cold or robotic. I'm Scorp Asc. w/ an 8th house moon. I'm certainly not cold or robotic, I do feel, it's just not expressed in the expected manner. What exists inside stays inside b/c Scorpio hides/buries it and Gemini doesn't really want to deal with it anyway. So I will stare down the hole of a sink while reciting seemingly unrelated poems and that will somehow be equivalent to crying...

What's inside is only really allowed to come out if converted to a different form or cloaked in a disguise (music, writing, dance, fashion, etc.)

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I was not sure whether he was more emotional about the 40 people being hospitalized? Or the way in which it was reported?

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LOL! I can't even lie, I am very passionate about words. I will watch the news and get quite irritated if the reporter's verbal delivery is lacking. I seethe over typos in books that I read or websites that I visit. My own typos make me even angrier (b/c the bar is set higher). When ppl speak to me, they better not say A and expect me to assume it really means B. That implies I'm ok with ppl wasting / misusing words and I'm just not having it. I'll read between lines for my own (very specific) investigative reasons. Not to make up for someone else's insufficiency. When using the computer, a dictionary.com tab is ALWAYS open. This is not b/c I don't have a good vocabulary. I just absolutely need to make sure I am using the most appropriate word for what I am trying to convey. I don't want a word that means something "similar", it has to mean exactly what I want it to. I have Gem Moon, Gem Mars, and a Virgo MidH so go figure

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
So you find the feeling,attach the appropriate word and then rediscover the feeling behind the word.

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YES! Also, here is the odd thing in relation to your music statement. When listening to music, reading, watching movies, etc. emotions do not at all seem foreign to me. I feel as though I understand some alternative aspect of emotions that even a Pisces moon (like my sister) can't grasp. When I listen to music, my heart actually becomes tremulous and I envision entire scenes with each verse. Melodies literally form into living breathing beings in my mind, with shapes and personalities and I am moved to tears. The same deep feeling occurs in love. I will lovingly/obssessivley dissect every aspect of him. I will dwell on his voice imagining it to be a certain shape or color. I am a deeply passionate person. YET.....I rarely cry for myself or during actual events where crying would be appropriate. Ask anyone (esp. an ex) and they will most likely tell you I am a cold emotionless brick wall. I am not big on hugs/affection (except w/ children), nor am I generally mushy in any sense.

So basically I am unlikely to cry during a funeral but will cry during Wuthering Heights lol. Makes very little sense. I can only think that my fire Sun, Venus, and Jupiter get to express themselves vicariously through such things. Inside I know I am a really passionate/emotional person but my chart situation creates some sort of expression-based disconnect. IDK lol

posted March 27, 2016 05:21 PM            

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Hmm...why have I never noticed your signature before? "Don't look back,
you're not going that way". It's so very wonderful.

posted March 28, 2016 10:13 AM            

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YES! Also, here is the odd thing in relation to your music statement;

When listening to music, reading, watching movies, etc. emotions do not at all seem foreign to me. I feel as though I understand some alternative aspect of emotions that even a Pisces moon (like my sister) can't grasp.

When I listen to music, my heart actually becomes tremulous and I envision entire scenes with each verse.

Melodies literally form into living breathing beings in my mind, with shapes and personalities and I am moved to tears.

The same deep feeling occurs in love:I will lovingly/obsessively dissect every aspect of him. I will dwell on his voice imagining it to be a certain shape or color. I am a deeply passionate person. YET.....I rarely cry for myself or during actual events where crying would be appropriate.

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Oh preach. Preach!!!

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Originally posted by LittleBlackCat:
LOL! I can't even lie, I am very passionate about words.

I will watch the news and get quite irritated if the reporter's verbal delivery is lacking.

I seethe over typos in books that I read or websites that I visit. My own typos make me even angrier (b/c the bar is set higher).

When ppl speak to me, they better not say A and expect me to assume it really means B. That implies I'm ok with ppl wasting / misusing words and I'm just not having it.

I'll read between lines for my own (very specific) investigative reasons. Not to make up for someone else's insufficiency.

When using the computer, a dictionary.com tab is ALWAYS open. This is not b/c I don't have a good vocabulary.

I just absolutely need to make sure I am using the most appropriate word for what I am trying to convey.

I don't want a word that means something "similar", it has to mean exactly what I want it to. I have Gem Moon, Gem Mars, and a Virgo MidH so go figure

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