posted April 08, 2016 01:10 PM            

He is the stereotypical Aries and stereotypical Taurus and stereotypical Capricorn and stereotypical Pisces all at once. I can REALLY see all those sides in him! When he gets pi$$ed off? Holy hell watch out :-/ but then he has this other side that I haven't been able to put into words and that is a side of softness, humbleness, extreme shyness to the point where I feel as if he wants a hole in ground to open up!

He also has a loooong history of complete bat-**** crazy women; aggressive women, that has tried, and actually succeeded, to take advantage of him sexually (which he denies being assault..but it is). This started at a very young age.

So now we have this super masculine man that can literally make hell freeze + someone that seems to attract craziness without even having to blink in one body and I cannot figure out what it is!!

He's the type that women would run up to, tear their shirts off and shove their private parts in his face and he's the type that women would fall in love with and he'd say "thank you but no thanks" and they'd try to commit suicide (has happened) because they had imagined there was something between them.

posted April 08, 2016 01:13 PM            

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posted April 08, 2016 01:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Dejanira, I think, C.

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Conjunct his Moon and Saturn.

Mine is conjunct Pluto and sq Moon, Sun and I have also gone through similar things BUT I am much more aggressive than he is. I fight back whereas he kind cowers down and that's what I find odd with all the Aries and Taurus that he is!

posted April 08, 2016 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
His pluto on the dc is part of it as he attracts intense women that are very all or nothing and give themselves completely. Pluto does rule death and it on his Dc can manifest in women he attracts committing suicide I suppose..well that would be its worse manifestation.

pluto on the dc, I imagine he is very controlling, can have a terrible temper that he lets out on the women he is involved with. Signature for volatile relationships.

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posted April 08, 2016 02:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Is Pluto In Virgo?

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posted April 08, 2016 02:24 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
He likes to....keep on eye on his herd..he's nice until his button are pushed.

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posted April 08, 2016 02:26 PM            

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posted April 08, 2016 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I understand that but does he punches walls when his buttons get pushed? Is that how he copes when his buttons get pushed? Or does he walk away to cool off? No need to answer, its rhetorical.

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posted April 08, 2016 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Since his Pluto is in Virgo, I think that the extreme reactions he evokes from others- could be because of Pluto conjunct Desc

Does Venus oppose Pluto?

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Yes, by a couple degrees.

posted April 08, 2016 02:39 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
He walks off. Sometimes for hours. When he returns all is OK. One can also talk to him if it's in a controlled, rational and logical manner. Anything else will make him more angry and potentially, permanently, damage things.

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posted April 08, 2016 03:39 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
He walks off. Sometimes for hours. When he returns all is OK. One can also talk to him if it's in a controlled, rational and logical manner. Anything else will make him more angry and potentially, permanently, damage things.

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posted April 09, 2016 05:10 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Yes, by a couple degrees.

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Well, this can add on to what I said about Pluto conjunct the Dsc.

When Venus is in the 1st house, it doesn't always make someone beautiful.But it does add a great deal of attractive qualities to the person.

And for the men it could be that they are gentleman, have very good manners,have a nicely proportioned physique,are well -spoken,speak to others graciously, are calming/soothing to have around or have a quality that makes other people gravitate towards them easily.

Venus in 1st "actively" uses their Venusian qualities to draw others in; this could be looks,charm,good dress sense,good morals, willingness to co-operate,generosity of spirit etc.

I would say that Venus in 1st is often a powerful indicator of an individuals ability to do well in relationships. Because most people tend to overlook their shadow side- because they are either so good-looking/well read/charming/hospitable etc.

Now with your husband,Venus is amplified with the opposition to Pluto in Virgo.

Virgo in 7th tends to see everyone out there as a "finicky" and "meddling".

These guys tend to be either for or against psychologists or people that try to box them or label them- especially when Pluto/Uranus/Mars is in the 7th.

It can also suggest that these people tend to pull other people to them that may try to "fix" them or "show" them just how broken/in need of mending they are etc.

With Pluto,the people they attract tend to be very nitpicking,very demanding,all about work ethic and seldom the type to be idle or sit still-as there is always something they are busy doing/trying to better.

There are many ways this can play out. But with Virgo/Pisces, it usually accompanies a "slave/master" , "boss/servant" sort of scenario.

So the partners tend to be very demanding on the person- wanting them to fulfill their needs(even sexually). Or have them answer to their beck and call like "the help".

Or they themselves can be the type that insist upon things being done in very specific ways(sexually). And if not, all hell breaks lose.

They may have some control "freak" issues to tend to. A real disability in asking for assistance or help-believing that a job done well,should/can only be done by and only them.

My Mom has Pluto in Virgo squaring her natal Sun. But I see the manifestation of Pluto in Virgo in her love and/or obsession with work or being "productive".

Because it aspects her Sun,she may see herself as a "servant". Contributing towards a greater "good" through small efforts.

Your husband could perhaps see this "servant" thing come off in his expression of love(Venus).

In other words, he could see himself as the type to be there for the relationship(Venus) in a "servant" scope(Pluto Virgo): doing what he can to please you.

It could also work the other way i.e believing that the relationship is there to serve him and that you should be answering to his needs etc.

In whatever way you view it,self- deprecation,self-sacrifice and humility form a huge part of his value system(Venus)

Either he sees these attributes as necessary for him to develop. Or he could see these attributes as necessary for "others"(projection) to have in order for him to get along with them.

If in the former, that is good. As it suggests that he is in control and wants to "better" himself.

If in the latter,it is not so good-as it shows someone who is very difficult to please and likely to make others responsible with how they re-act i.e "See what you did. I wouldn't act this way if you could just do it the way I want it done!"

posted April 09, 2016 05:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Well, this can add on to what I said about Pluto conjunct the Dsc.

When Venus is in the 1st house, it doesn't always make someone beautiful.But it does add a great deal of attractive qualities to the person.

And for the men it could be that they are gentleman, have very good manners,have a nicely proportioned physique,are well -spoken,speak to others graciously, are calming/soothing to have around or have a quality that makes other people gravitate towards them easily.

Venus in 1st "actively" uses their Venusian qualities to draw others in; this could be looks,charm,good dress sense,good morals, willingness to co-operate,generosity of spirit etc.

I would say that Venus in 1st is often a powerful indicator of an individuals ability to do well in relationships. Because most people tend to overlook their shadow side- because they are either so good-looking/well read/charming/hospitable etc.

Now with your husband,Venus is amplified with the opposition to Pluto in Virgo.

Virgo in 7th tends to see everyone out there as a "finicky" and "meddling".

These guys tend to be either for or against psychologists or people that try to box them or label them- especially when Pluto/Uranus/Mars is in the 7th.

It can also suggest that these people tend to pull other people to them that may try to "fix" them or "show" them just how broken/in need of mending they are etc.

With Pluto,the people they attract tend to be very nitpicking,very demanding,all about work ethic and seldom the type to be idle or sit still-as there is always something they are busy doing/trying to better.

There are many ways this can play out. But with Virgo/Pisces, it usually accompanies a "slave/master" , "boss/servant" sort of scenario.

So the partners tend to be very demanding on the person- wanting them to fulfill their needs(even sexually). Or have them answer to their beck and call like "the help".

Or they themselves can be the type that insist upon things being done in very specific ways(sexually). And if not, all hell breaks lose.

They may have some control "freak" issues to tend to. A real disability in asking for assistance or help-believing that a job done well,should/can only be done by and only them.

My Mom has Pluto in Virgo squaring her natal Sun. But I see the manifestation of Pluto in Virgo in her love and/or obsession with work or being "productive".

Because it aspects her Sun,she may see herself as a "servant". Contributing towards a greater "good" through small efforts.

Your husband could perhaps see this "servant" thing come off in his expression of love(Venus).

In other words, he could see himself as the type to be there for the relationship(Venus) in a "servant" scope(Pluto Virgo): doing what he can to please you.

It could also work the other way i.e believing that the relationship is there to serve him and that you should be answering to his needs etc.

In whatever way you view it,self- deprecation,self-sacrifice and humility form a huge part of his value system(Venus)

Either he sees these attributes as necessary for him to develop. Or he could see these attributes as necessary for "others"(projection) to have in order for him to get along with them.

If in the former, that is good. As it suggests that he is in control and wants to "better" himself.

If in the latter,it is not so good-as it shows someone who is very difficult to please and likely to make others responsible with how they re-act i.e "See what you did. I wouldn't act this way if you could just do it the way I want it done!"

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Thank you for your lengthy respons!! He is unfortunately, I think, the latter of what suggested at the end of your post. He projects a lot and is very hard to please. If you can't live up to his projections (Pisces), his Virgo/Pluto takes over and he WILL pick you apart until there's nothing left. Only reason I deal with it is because I'm laidback but also of my own Virgo Asc, Mars.

posted April 09, 2016 06:08 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
Thank you for your lengthy response!! He is unfortunately, I think, the latter of what suggested at the end of your post. He projects a lot and is very hard to please. If you can't live up to his projections (Pisces), his Virgo/Pluto takes over and he WILL pick you apart until there's nothing left. Only reason I deal with it is because I'm laid back but also of my own Virgo Asc, Mars.

What I don't like about him is that he will himself push people's buttons until breaking point and then he will turn it around and say that they caused their own misery when in fact he just couldn't leave them be.

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I hear you. Pluto/Venus or 7th is difficult for the person to understand. Especially when the two are "together" in the chart.

I am not quoting "The Taming of the Shrew" as being a reputable example in its entirety. As I don't agree with its warped sexist undertones that suggest it is only the female that must be "fixed" in order for her to be more "mild" and "docile" for the man to control/"handle" etc.

But I do believe in the teaching of what you give is exactly what you receive.And often times,the ill-treatment we extend on others,is not what we ourselves would like to get back.

I once played this game with a very demanding friend of ours- who loved to throw scenes in public places for poor service or bad food (Moon in Virgo/Mars in Virgo) etc.

So one day, when we all had had enough of having to sit by and watch him belittle people for getting things "wrong". We decided to act the way he does.

When we went out to another place to hangout. I informed the waiters beforehand, that they pay no mind to my fantastic displays of disapproval-as they were all an act to prove a point. And that they shouldn't be alarmed.

When the 1st meal came,true to my promise. I threw the most exquisite temper of how the waiter got it all "wrong" and how unhappy I was etc. But it didn't end there.

When we were "kicked out" of that place.The 4 of us went over to another place to get food and the other 2 friends decided it was their turn to complain and whine about the slow service.

At the end of the night, the Virgo Moon was so famished and tired of going to every place and finding that none of us thought the place "good enough",that he decided a plain sandwich at my apartment would do.

It's the long way around I know, because we could have just easily ended the friendship on the bases that he was difficult to have around.

And the fact that we had communicated with him on numerous times on how terrible and unnecessary his tantrums were- all in vain

But we valued him so much(despite his tantrums)as he is a wonderful guy.That we wanted to see if this would work. So it was a sort of "last resort"-so to speak.

We never told him of what we did of-course. And since then his displays have cooled down considerably.

He still gets steamed! But it is nowhere near as awesome as it was in the past. And we enjoy his company that much more now