posted April 22, 2016 11:16 AM            

Anyone have this experience with mastering a square in their chart?
If you can somehow harness that energy, does it act more like a trine for you?

I have enough squares in my chart that I would like to consider this a bit.

If I had Sun trine Neptune instead of square, for example, I would theoretically be a fairly creative person, yeah?
I'm not particularly creative, in all honesty. Only when I pick up a camera, it seems...but I suppose I could focus in on that, although I would think there could be other manifestations of that square, as an example.

Some squares are pretty reasonable for me about half of the time, but become unreasonable when that area of my life becomes stressed (that seems to be the case, anyway).

posted April 22, 2016 12:16 PM            

I think Jupiter square Saturn can be very helpful: the enthusiasm of Jupiter, working with the stability of Saturn who wants results. I think I used to tap into that energy well, and use it, rather than be hampered instead.

Moon/Venus square Mars. I'll have to think about it.

posted April 22, 2016 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:

I'm not sure I see anything good about Saturn square Pluto.

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I was thinking that as well. I suppose if I harnessed it, I would just become extremely focused on goals or something.

Sometimes I am, with my natal Mars in Cap/6H.
Mostly, I feel like it just makes me kind of harsh when people don't do what I want them to do, and I think everyone should think the way I do. I believe it makes me closed-minded, actually.

Yeah, focus and direction would have to be the theme of Pluto/Saturn working together, I guess?
Come to think of it, my Pluto is in my 3H, and my Saturn in my 11H, and when it comes to my work environment (which meshes with social issues) I am quite driven and focused.

posted April 22, 2016 05:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Violets, this thread gives me hope.

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posted April 22, 2016 06:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
I see it in T squares. Like a T square mastered is like a grand trine but more active.

I've not seen many singlton squares mastered, but I could see a lot of potential energy in them if they could be harnessed.

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I've got like eight of them including the AC and MC. Lots of work to do lol.

posted April 22, 2016 06:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Violets, this thread gives me hope.

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posted April 22, 2016 06:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
I've seen people talk about this in here also, but it does seem like GB might have a point. Without the T-square configuration, squares might at least be more challenging to master, at any rate. But perhaps not impossible?

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It does make sense though. The T-Square is directing all its tension to an apex. Let's use an example; I have Mars - Saturn opposition and they both Square Mercury. The tension created between Mars and Saturn is focused on Mercury, where it is stressed. In order to solve the dilemma, you would look to the missing leg, which would be directly opposite the apex (the sign that a planet would be in that would turn it into a grand cross).

posted April 22, 2016 07:00 PM            

Mercury and Mars are close to exact and in Mutual Reception. (Aries, Gemini) this helps.
This is a hyper active aspect as well as a sarcastic smarty pants .
That is the energy I had to harness before I could even start dealing with Saturn who with the opposition to Mars either said to much or not enough. Very erratic stop, go.

Now, I keep a low profile and have learned how to relax and be more laid back.

Willie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6c6eUeoa9Q

posted April 22, 2016 11:21 PM            

To put it simply, I have a lot of trines (12, actually, and 6 sextiles) - which, even in earth signs like Virgo and Capricorn, are totally capable of making me lazy. I have a 7th house stellium as well. So there's that.

I've learned to appreciate my squares (especially my Mars square, and even my Pluto square to my ASC, even if it does make me a little scary sometimes). Without stress and nervous tension (since my Mars is in Gemini) I wouldn't get anything done. I would just dream about getting stuff done, or come up with really awesome ideas but never take action on them (my trines are with Neptune, Uranus and Saturn). They push me to action, and even though I'm often a nervous wreck while I'm taking that first step, I'm usually surprised by the talents I have once I get there. If anyone were to over hear me calling an HR person or talking to myself while I fill out a job application, they would rightfully assume that I'm a neurotic mess. But it's really just my squares at work - they're driving me crazy, temporarily, so I'll take action. Once I've completed the task (the right, perfect way) I'll be back to my live and let live mentality.

I do think there's a learning curve with squares, but I think once someone gets a hang of their strengths and difficulties, they can find a way to make them work for them (man, that's a really nose to the grindstone Mercury-Saturn statement, but it's true). We're not doomed. We just have to work harder for our talents.

posted April 23, 2016 10:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
It does make sense though. The T-Square is directing all its tension to an apex. Let's use an example; I have Mars - Saturn opposition and they both Square Mercury. The tension created between Mars and Saturn is focused on Mercury, where it is stressed. In order to solve the dilemma, you would look to the missing leg, which would be directly opposite the apex (the sign that a planet would be in that would turn it into a grand cross).

Squares on their own are just two planets in conflict without any real source to identify upon. Therefore, solving them can be trickier due to the lack of a pin-point in the cause, and that is why T-Square people are more successful supposedly lol.

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This made me think for a minute on my chart.

I basically have a T-square with a Pluto/Venus opposition, and my Vertex at the apex. The opposite point is only a few degrees from my Saturn, which just barely misses being involved in a grand cross with the others.

So...is my anti-vertex my focal point there, or do I have a Grand Cross, now that I think of it?

I have the same setup with my Nodes and my luminaries. There's basically a grand cross, within a 1* orb.

Hm. I wonder how we're supposed to work with the good with those Grand Cross energies?

posted April 23, 2016 12:01 PM            

1) Sun (apex) square Pluto and Jupiter

Lower function: Aggressive, frustrated, controlling
Higher Function: Ambitious, getting the job done, perfectionism generating good work

2) Moon (apex) square Neptune and Mars

Lower function: Imagining things to be worse than they are, laziness, drifting
Higher Function: Spirituality, compassion

3) Uranus (apex) square Saturn, ASC, and Mercury

Lower function: Indecision, stuckness
Higher function: Concentration, focus

Overall the constant stress of all these squares have forced me to consider "extreme" solutions like astrology, a weird lifestyle, attempts to make my lifestyle even weirder. More than one person has said to me, "...But you seemed so NORMAL when we first met!!"