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Topic: Fellow black ladies what are your thoughts on Zoe Saldaņa playing Nina simone?
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headintheclouds91
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posted April 23, 2016 07:16 PM
  
State your moon and mercury signs. I saw the trailer but i haven't seen the movie. In the trailer it seems like she did a great job with the acting and the movie looks good but i dont think i`m gonna watch it even though she is a great actress. I think they should have chosen another one for this role and i thought it was offending that they painted her face darker when they should have just gone for someone naturally dark and who looks more similar to Nina. It looked fake and reminded me of the 19th century blackface s.h.i.t. Tbh I thought it was very disappointing that she was chosen for that role. My cancer moon took it to heart and my libra mercury thought it was wrong. IP: Logged |
NYCdodger
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posted April 23, 2016 07:21 PM
Kind of upset that they made her face darker. Just get a woman that looks like Nina Simone.This is why i hate hollywood
Just read that this was for ladies only. My bad
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headintheclouds91
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posted April 23, 2016 07:26 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NYCdodger:
[b]Kind of upset that they made her face darker. Just get a woman that looks like Nina Simone.This is why i hate hollywood IP: Logged |
Gracha
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posted April 23, 2016 09:51 PM
Moon in gemini, mercury pisces. I don't really care but I also didn't see the big deal other than the dark makeup. It wasn't a good time to do a Nina Simone biopic. Viola Davis would've been a great Nina. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted April 24, 2016 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by Gracha:
Viola Davis would've been a great Nina.
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headintheclouds91
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posted April 24, 2016 03:28 AM
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Originally posted by Gracha:
. Viola Davis would've been a great Nina.
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Moonfish
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posted April 24, 2016 05:18 AM
I personally don't have a problem with it. Zoe Saldana is after all, a black woman.
I think we all know the saying "I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but the content of their character." - Martin L. king
I have not seen the movie, but if Zoe was a good actress in it then I would give her credit where credit is due.
Now would Zoe have been my first choice to play Nina? No, and I think it's pretty obvious that they chose her because she's well known rather than actually sharing any similarities to Nina. At the end, of the day a good or bad movie doesn't take away my vision of who Nina Simone as a person.Moon in Pisces 12H
Mercury in Sagittarius 9H - open minded, broad psychology I would also like to point out that there are many cultures that paint there faces white to represent beauty and purity. But a black woman can't even paint her face "black" without it being offensive instead of looking at it as something beautiful too. For a Michael Jackson movie we'd ALL want a black man to play the role, but depending how far they would go into Michael's life that would mean the actor would eventually have to paint his face light, right? Which is fair because at the end of the day Michael was a light skinned black man.
So in my opinion, it should work vice-versa where Zoe is a light skinned black woman being able to play a dark skinned black woman.
I could be wrong, but that's just my feeling on it.
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headintheclouds91
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posted April 24, 2016 08:17 AM
In my opinion they should have chosen someone naturally dark though. They were on point when they chose Jamie fox to play Ray charles the same they should have done with Nina simone. Its plenty of well known naturally dark women out there they could have gone for  Its just kinda annoying bc its not the first time a light-skinned black woman gets chosen to represent black women or whatever instead of a full black woman. IP: Logged |
DopGang
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posted April 24, 2016 09:04 AM
Johnny Depp played James Bulger. He looked nothing like him before costume and makeup. They made him look like him though and Johnny said that he likes to forget that he's acting and really get into the role. People who knew James Bulger in real life were astounded and even a little weirded out at how accurate he nailed it. To me, taking an actor or actress and denying them the role because they are not the closest physical resemblance to the actual person is looking at the wrong things.
Can they be made to look like them? Hopefully they will put their all in the part.
At the end of the day the most important thing is if they entertained you and made you lose yourself in the movie. If they brought you into that point in time.
Whether or not they are "black enough" in real life is unimportant. IP: Logged |
headintheclouds91
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posted April 24, 2016 09:31 AM
I do care and i thought it was disappointing and i wanted to vent about it. Sue me for it if you want Not many black ladies have been in big movies so when one present itself and its about a dark black woman it would have been nice to have someone fully black to play her. IP: Logged |
erickaf
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posted April 24, 2016 09:38 AM
Zoe is Latina and family from D. Republic so she isn't considered black in that country.
I am not black but I find it wrong she was casted as Nina. She is black but with Eurocentric features. Nina did not have those features. The color of her skin was a huge part of her identity! Apparently black Americans are angry that darker skinned black actresses do not get enough roles in Hollywood and can't even play dark skinned black roles!IP: Logged |
headintheclouds91
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posted April 24, 2016 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by erickaf:
Zoe is Latina and family from D. Republic so she isn't considered black in that country.
I am not black but I find it wrong she was casted as Nina. She is black but with Eurocentric features. Nina did not have those features. The color of her skin was a huge part of her identity! Apparently black Americans are angry that darker skinned black actresses do not get enough roles in Hollywood and can't even play dark skinned black roles!
^ I am not even american and not even dark skinned black and even i am angry about that. IP: Logged |
ail221
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posted April 24, 2016 10:11 AM
I severely disagree with that casting of Zoe Saldana on many levels. Not only is she in black face but she's wearing prosthetics on her face in order for her to look more like Nina Simone. The other side of things Zoe Saldana on a number of occasions has separated herself from her "blackness" and/or identifying with it which is fine because she considers herself a latina. But if that's how you really feel about your identity the entire production would have been better off with a black actress who resembles Nina Simone better. Moon Gemini, Mercury Leo IP: Logged |
headintheclouds91
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posted April 24, 2016 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by ail221:
I severely disagree with that casting of Zoe Saldana on many levels. Not only is she in black face but she's wearing prosthetics on her face in order for her to look more like Nina Simone. The other side of things Zoe Saldana on a number of occasions has separated herself from her "blackness" and/or identifying with it which is fine because she considers herself a latina. But if that's how you really feel about your identity the entire production would have been better off with a black actress who resembles Nina Simone better. Moon Gemini, Mercury Leo
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VirgoPILL
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posted April 24, 2016 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by erickaf:
Zoe is Latina and family from D. Republic so she isn't considered black in that country.
I am not black but I find it wrong she was casted as Nina. She is black but with Eurocentric features. Nina did not have those features. The color of her skin was a huge part of her identity! Apparently black Americans are angry that darker skinned black actresses do not get enough roles in Hollywood and can't even play dark skinned black roles!
EXACTLY!! and in 2016 we're still far far far away from portraying accurately where it must be important and giving equal opportunities. plus i find it very appaling how dark skinned black american women are treated and stereotyped by their own race/people, the media etc. edit: moon in 3rd pisces, mercury in 9th virgo IP: Logged |
headintheclouds91
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posted April 24, 2016 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by VirgoPILL:
EXACTLY!! and in 2016 we're still far far far away from portraying accurately where it must be important and giving equal opportunities. plus i find it very appaling how dark skinned black american women are treated and stereotyped by their own race/people, the media etc.
Its very appaling and disappointing.
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Hemilla
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posted April 24, 2016 11:54 AM
I am not black or American,but i think problem here is not the race of the person casted (Zoe is good actress and i see her as black person,just like most people i know as far as that goes for me) but the fact that Hollywood is not comfortable with actors who are not known,they hate taking risks with new actors or ones that have not brought lots of money to them before - wich Zoe did,so she is safe pick for them. And you guys being - late me say it like this - ''alert'' by her in this role and talking about the movie in ANY kind of way - negative or positive - they like that,so little contraversy never harmed Hollywood,right?Hollywood is also great with miskasting in general - Irish people casted as Greeks,Canadian of North Western European ancestry as Persian (modern day middle east),Brits as Russians - maybe to some its like - does it matter they are all white caucasians - but yeah,Russians look diferently than Brits,so do Greeks - its not the end of the world,and movies were not that bad,but still those were miscast cases wich are done because Hollywood is both greedy and lazy. I understand where you all are coming though,and that it is part of the bigger story in America as far as i can see - so yeah,voice out,let them know what you think Ps - if it says something about my understanding of things - moon pisc,merc gem IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted April 24, 2016 12:26 PM
I think the feedback could very well be the turning point where darker skinned black women DO get more respect and more roles in Hollywood?So I'm glad there has been a fuss over this! I like Zoe Saldana, though, and I hope she is spared from too much criticism. Maybe she should have known better than to accept the blackfacing and all that, so it was a mistake, but everyone makes them... IP: Logged |
NYCdodger
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posted April 24, 2016 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by erickaf:
Zoe is Latina and family from D. Republic so she isn't considered black in that country.
I am not black but I find it wrong she was casted as Nina. She is black but with Eurocentric features. Nina did not have those features. The color of her skin was a huge part of her identity! Apparently black Americans are angry that darker skinned black actresses do not get enough roles in Hollywood and can't even play dark skinned black roles!
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headintheclouds91
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posted April 24, 2016 12:41 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Faith:
[B]I think the feedback could very well be the turning point where darker skinned black women DO get more respect and more roles in Hollywood?So I'm glad there has been a fuss over this! This is what i hope for and i am very glad that people made a big deal out of it. Its been going on for too long and its about time with a change. IP: Logged |
headintheclouds91
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posted April 24, 2016 01:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkpUyB2xgTM Don`t want future kids esp black kids to grow up with the same believes like those kids in that clip so thats why i want more good full blackness in the forefront IP: Logged |
LaceyLeigh
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posted April 24, 2016 10:56 PM
I'm not too keen on the idea, either. Blackface and the issues/controversy that come with it aren't new, she should have known better than to take on this role. Seems like she's just money hungry and desperate for a role. But, I guess that's Hollywood for you. Also, with all the backlash this movie is facing, I wouldn't be surprised if it "flopped".IP: Logged |
LaceyLeigh
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posted April 24, 2016 10:57 PM
Virgo Moon in the 9th house, Aries Mercury in the 4th house.IP: Logged |
theunknown
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posted April 24, 2016 11:56 PM
Hispanic is not a race. So really, lots of people are black and can still be considered Hispanic.Well I'm not sure how the director casted her. Maybe her acting is better? Maybe other more fitting actresses are not interested in the role? I'm not dismissing the fact that Hollywood is very white, or Zoe was chosen for her lighter features but I do see their attempt to tell the story of Nina Dumone a baby step (instead of God forbid another southern movie where black ppl re-experience discriminations). There are plenty of successful black ppl in history but somehow scripts written about them didn't exist. I also think that there might be other factors that we don't know. Not all black people who are successful in Hollywood err on the lighter skin side but it seems more so the case for black women.
Although I actually think prestige wise, Viola Dsvis would be more famous. So I'm thinking youth, and background in dancing or musical performances are taken into acct... Maybe darker skin actresses don't find this role appealing.., I'm not black ... I see why ppl are enraged tho IP: Logged |
Moonfish
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posted April 25, 2016 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by theunknown:
Hispanic is not a race. So really, lots of people are black and can still be considered Hispanic.
Exactly, especially if someone is from the Dominican Republic. That is a Nationality mainly consisting of African and Caucasian Descent. That's not to say Zoe Saldana isn't mixed with something other than black (I think it's pretty safe to say that she is) but her calling herself a latina doesn't take away her African hertiage. My friend's Dad is Dominican, and I know that they generally do not like to be called black even if some of them are fully African. They consider themselves a "mixed" race which creates some of the confusion of what there Ethnicity is, not Nationality. IP: Logged |
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