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Topic: Gemini/Virgo question
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DopGang Knowflake Posts: 2197 From: INTJ Registered: Jun 2015
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posted April 27, 2016 04:14 PM
I thought about if this was even worthy of making a thread over. I guess so. LOL This may be passive aggressive behavior that I'm about to describe. So particularly at work I prefer to confront and ask questions via email. The reason is, especially in group discussions I feel that I'm constantly interrupted. Even only meeting with a "boss" it's like I can never complete my thoughts without them jumping in to begin answering. Seriously. I really would like to tell them, "when I'm finished and it's your turn to speak I'll let you know." Of course I'm not that rude. This is my primary reason for preferring written communication though I will admit that speaking in person is many times better, especially concerning emotions and such with family, friend, etc. I see both sides. Any others feel this way? IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8485 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 27, 2016 04:22 PM
I used to do that a lot, i had to work very hard on learning patience and listening instead of thinking about my response while someone was still speaking. I realized i was being rude and thinking my words were more important than theres when i stopped listening and started thinking of a response before they had finished their thought. It took a lot of work and self discipline to stop doing that and i still slip up sometimes. I do think this is Mercury issue....i have, as you know, virgo moon and gemini mars. Plus merc conjunct sun on 3rd house cusp. IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 877 From: Sittin' on Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted April 27, 2016 04:38 PM
I am that rude. Unfortunately, what ends up happening is exactly that, and then everyone thinks I am bitchy/mean/aggressive/rude when in reality, I just believe in manners. Which means I say my peace, and then you say yours. I emailed my college professors and bosses, all the time. It becomes tiring trying to communicate in a group setting. It's easier to just address my concerns at a later time. Virgo Sun/Mercury/Venus Gemini Moon/Mars ETA: I agree with Gabby. It was a learned trait for me, as well. I used to interrupt people all the time when I was younger, and found myself thinking of a response before they had even finished. I found a way to be okay with pauses in a conversation - even if they are a bit awkward. No quoting please. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8485 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 27, 2016 06:10 PM
I absolutely hate it when ppl interrupt me, because i know it means they do not value my words and are not respecting me enough to listen to what im saying. Do they really think they are so much more important than me that my words can just be talked over and ignored, like I didn't even say them?? Ive worked so hard to learn to give others proper respect, if someone wont give it to me...i dont interrupt them to fight for the right to speak. I just turn around and walk off without a word as they are speaking. If they are going to ignore me, ill ignore them to....of course i cant do that in all situations but its very effective in the situations you can use it. IP: Logged |
Violets Knowflake Posts: 5859 From: Registered: Apr 2011
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posted April 27, 2016 06:30 PM
I would have responded to this earlier, but I can't brain today. Mars and Mercury are kicking my ass.I get really ****** when people interrupt me, but I'm also terrible about interrupting other people. So that's a conundrum for me. It usually requires someone else with air or fire Mercury to match mine, and we can sort of volley back and forth, rather than taking turns officially. But if it's a topic of some importance, I find it much more effective to communicate with an email or message (I've never really had difficulty at work, though...people generally take turns pretty well in my work environments, I've noticed). Especially when it's a heated conversation. It's way better for me to message or even text, so that I don't lose it on the other person, or vice versa. EDIT Actually, in retrospect, there is always a communication log at work (in most places I've been employed). And so yeah, I do communicate a lot more through that in my work environments as well. There's a lot of documentation to sift through when you come to work as well, so yeah...a lot of writing (or typing), and reading, rather than talking. IP: Logged |
DualGem Knowflake Posts: 113 From: Canada Registered: Oct 2015
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posted April 27, 2016 10:57 PM
I don't see it as passive-agreesive. I prefer email because its the only way to have written proof of what was said or what you've been instructed to do. Its smarter to go by email. You should give yourself a pat on the back for being smart by getting email confirmations to things. ==================================== Gemini Sun, Capricorn Rising Aries Moon Gemini Mercury Venus Taurus Mars Cancer IP: Logged |
Hon Solo Knowflake Posts: 35 From: Registered: Apr 2016
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posted April 28, 2016 03:50 AM
quote: Originally posted by DualGem: I prefer email because its the only way to have written proof of was said or what you've been instructed to do.
You have Capricorn rising. I think it's also about wanting to finish something before jumping onto anything else, and in a conversation this is not often possible. In relation to work control is more important than in interpersonal relationships, also when communicating. A strong Saturn, or Saturn in aspect to Mercury might play a role, too. I have Mercury retrograde in Pisces, and I express myself better in writing than speaking. In a conversation there are so many factors that can interrupt the thought flow, and therefore I easily freeze. IP: Logged |
DopGang Knowflake Posts: 2197 From: INTJ Registered: Jun 2015
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posted April 28, 2016 06:29 AM
All great points! Yes yes yes! I feel the same way. I've preferred writing even outside of work because I want to finish everything before they begin. People that I'm very close to are different of course because I know that they'll hear me out if it's important but they still interrupt here and there. I've accepted that this is "the norm" it seems like. It's as if people feel like if they don't begin speaking then they'll forget their thoughts. "Have you no memory, man?!?" Grrr IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8485 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 28, 2016 10:49 AM
Funny, i just had a conversation with the person im seeing relating to this. Typically we have long conversations in person, but hes away alot more now so we are talking more over the phone. I guess he never noticed(he's typically doing more than one thing at a time) that when he talks, i listen then pause for a moment to think about what he's said, then i respond. Over the phone, where all his focus is on me....when i didn't immediately respond he kept thinking the call had dropped, and was getting frustrated, lol!! I had to explain to him i was still there...i was just listening to him and then i needed a moment to think of my response. He said, thats funny, hed never noticed that about me. He said he knew i was a great listener and never interrupted but had not noticed my pauses. This led to him saying maybe he should pay more attention while we are talking! Good stuff! Maybe our communication will be improved...hopefully.
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DopGang Knowflake Posts: 2197 From: INTJ Registered: Jun 2015
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posted April 28, 2016 11:06 AM
Yes I do that also!
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 8485 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 28, 2016 11:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by DopGang: Yes I do that also!
To me its the only way to actually communicate, how else will you hear what the other person is saying and actually grasp the point they are trying to get across. Sometimes i will repeat back to them what they said in my own words just to make sure i got their point and ask if thats what they meant. IP: Logged |
DopGang Knowflake Posts: 2197 From: INTJ Registered: Jun 2015
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posted April 28, 2016 11:39 AM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: To me its the only way to actually communicate, how else will here what the other person is saying and actually grasp the point they are trying to get across. Sometimes i will repeat back to them what they said in my own words just to make sure i got their point and ask if thats what they meant.
Yeees. I'd enjoy talking to you I think. Now that you bring all that up. I think I may be my own worst enemy. (Mercury 12th would make sense. Along with conjunct mars so that misunderstanding is often thinking that I'm upset) I pause, sometimes while talking in order to make sure that I say what I intend to. Having been bitten a lot by people misinterpreting what I mean, I tend to put more thought into it. Though it doesn't prevent that issue completely. Pausing even for a fraction also helps to cause this issue of being interrupted. I've not paid attention but it very well could be these little pauses. It was brought to my attention once by someone who was an EXCELLENT listener. Though I also know for a fact that people do interrupt others often without realizing it. I do really well with Pisces and other 12th house types because they seem to be able to pick up on the subtle undertones, fill in the blanks, and intuitively know that I've not completed my thoughts yet.
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Violets Knowflake Posts: 5859 From: Registered: Apr 2011
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posted April 28, 2016 11:51 AM
I have to wonder if Mercury sitting on my Dsc (opposite my Asc, of course), and Uranus conjunct my IC, opposite my MC (okay, I tried to word that as delicately as I could, as opposed to "Uranus sitting on my IC" ) plays a part in my weird conversation style, and tendency to not only be interrupted, but to also interrupt others...It really does make it so much easier to write/message, even text if necessary. There's more thought put into it (my Mercury doesn't always think everything out before speaking). Maybe it's the Virgo, but maybe other placements contribute as well, and our Virgo/Gem just feel the need to tidy up and clarify? IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8485 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 28, 2016 12:29 PM
quote: Originally posted by DopGang: Yeees. I'd enjoy talking to you I think. Now that you bring all that up. I think I may be my own worst enemy. (Mercury 12th would make sense. Along with conjunct mars so that misunderstanding is often thinking that I'm upset) I pause, sometimes while talking in order to make sure that I say what I intend to. Having been bitten a lot by people misinterpreting what I mean, I tend to put more thought into it. Though it doesn't prevent that issue completely. Pausing even for a fraction also helps to cause this issue of being interrupted. I've not paid attention but it very well could be these little pauses. It was brought to my attention once by someone who was an EXCELLENT listener. Though I also know for a fact that people do interrupt others often without realizing it. I do really well with Pisces and other 12th house types because they seem to be able to pick up on the subtle undertones, fill in the blanks, and intuitively know that I've not completed my thoughts yet.
Ya, because they were listening!! Lol If your listening and someone pauses, your going hey, why'd you stop?? I want to hear the rest! Lol If your not listening, your just sitting there waiting for their "mumbling" to end so your "glorious" words can start being said. Puke! So of course your going to start speaking during their pause and not even realize they had not finished their point. Maybe its my 12th house moon, but i love listening much more than i love talking. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8485 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 28, 2016 12:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by Violets: I have to wonder if Mercury sitting on my Dsc (opposite my Asc, of course), and Uranus conjunct my IC, opposite my MC (okay, I tried to word that as delicately as I could, as opposed to "Uranus sitting on my IC" ) plays a part in my weird conversation style, and tendency to not only be interrupted, but to also interrupt others...It really does make it so much easier to write/message, even text if necessary. There's more thought put into it (my Mercury doesn't always think everything out before speaking). Maybe it's the Virgo, but maybe other placements contribute as well, and our Virgo/Gem just feel the need to tidy up and clarify?
Do you have particularly odd communication styles at home, in relationships, growing up...maybe you make up your unique ways of communicating? Merc square Uranus on IC....Growing up you could have made up your own language you used between you and your siblings that no one else knew, to get away with things, working together to be rebellious...lol(on the positive side of course) the negative side would be sudden burst of yelling. A very crazy environment or a very unique environment, mercury/uranus could mean out of the box brilliance to, but with the square it would be a stressful flow of energy. Probably your unusual communication doesn't get in the way at home or in your relationships too much, unless Uranus/Merc is in hard aspect, esp squares to personal planets to you or the personal planets of those around you. The fact that Merc is in hard aspect to your AC could cause issues with the outside world and communications with others, the way you communicate with them and the way they communicate with you. IP: Logged |
Violets Knowflake Posts: 5859 From: Registered: Apr 2011
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posted April 28, 2016 12:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: Do you have particularly odd communication styles at home, in relationships, growing up...maybe you make up your unique ways of communicating? But probably your unusual communication doesn't get in the way at home or in your relationships unless Uranus/Merc make squares to personal planets to you others around you. The fact that Merc is in hard aspect to your AC could cause issues with the outside world and communications with others, the way you communicate with them and the way they communicate with you. But at least you can come home and complain and the ones you love will not comprehend how anyone could have issues like that with you, because they think your perfect!
Lol. I wish. There's a lot of love in our home, but the communication is, uh...LOUD. And not particularly clear. It does drive my Mercury on Dsc a bit nutty, as well as my Virgo Moon. I have Mars square Uranus/IC, and my husband has Moon square Uranus/MC (his Uranus/MC is also conjunct my Pluto, and my son's Saturn, which have double-whammy squares with each other). So, yeah...lol. I used to get my communication needs met at work with friends I made there. I need to find another outlet for that. My extended family works for now, though. My husband's Mercury is conjunct my Moon, but opposite my Sun, so it's usually best to wait until we're both winding down to talk, or message each other if we're upset. It's nice to have Sun/Moon/Neptune harmonious aspects with my son, because we can talk a lot more, and I'm more careful not to interrupt him (and listen more intently to what he has to say). Anyhoo... Not trying to take over the thread! IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8485 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 28, 2016 01:03 PM
I was thinking more about it, and edited...lol then i read your reply! Ive been away from astrology for quite awhile, i wasnt thinking! 😱 Or Merc went stationary RX today and my brain is already not working! LolYa...I forgot about the loud! I think the edit is more appropriate. The square aspect between the uranus/merc would be tough at home to grow up in. Do you still feel it, now that your away from home or now that your in more in control is it different? IP: Logged |
Violets Knowflake Posts: 5859 From: Registered: Apr 2011
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posted April 28, 2016 01:20 PM
I don't have Mercury/Uranus square, but I do have Mars/Uranus-IC square. It's not any easier now that I have my own family, honestly. We're very close, and very loving. But communication can be REALLY difficult between the three of us. It can be a difficult dynamic, but we do our best. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8485 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 28, 2016 02:04 PM
Oh, merc on DC, Uranus on IC....i assumed the square was there, sorry for the confusion! Lol, Not everyone has an equal house system. 😊 Communication issues abound!! Lol, how perfect for our Merc rx entrance....IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 8485 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 28, 2016 02:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by Violets: I don't have Mercury/Uranus square, but I do have Mars/Uranus-IC square. It's not any easier now that I have my own family, honestly. We're very close, and very loving. But communication can be REALLY difficult between the three of us. It can be a difficult dynamic, but we do our best.
I dated a guy with Mars/Uranus/IC t-square....he at times was loud and aggressive without realizing it. He had the biggest heart and i dont think he realized he could seem angry when he wasnt. IP: Logged |
Violets Knowflake Posts: 5859 From: Registered: Apr 2011
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posted April 28, 2016 02:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: I dated a guy with Mars/Uranus/IC t-square....he at times was loud and aggressive without realizing it. He had the biggest heart and i dont think he realized he could seem angry when he wasnt.
I can also be like that. I'm tempted to go way off topic, lol. IP: Logged |
DopGang Knowflake Posts: 2197 From: INTJ Registered: Jun 2015
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posted April 29, 2016 09:16 AM
Off topic: We were discussing issues at work today and talking about statistics as it relates to our workload demands. A Virgo in the group said, "If you have your feet in a block of ice and your head in a scalding oven. Statically speaking, you should be comfortable!" I then noticed that the few Virgo influenced people are the ones who found the most humor in it. IP: Logged |
StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 877 From: Sittin' on Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted April 29, 2016 10:02 AM
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Violets Knowflake Posts: 5859 From: Registered: Apr 2011
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posted April 29, 2016 11:34 AM
quote: Originally posted by DopGang: Off topic: We were discussing issues at work today and talking about statistics as it relates to our workload demands. A Virgo in the group said, "If you have your feet in a block of ice and your head in a scalding oven. Statically speaking, you should be comfortable!" I then noticed that the few Virgo influenced people are the ones who found the most humor in it.
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 8485 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted April 29, 2016 11:45 AM
quote: Originally posted by DopGang: Off topic: We were discussing issues at work today and talking about statistics as it relates to our workload demands. A Virgo in the group said, "If you have your feet in a block of ice and your head in a scalding oven. Statically speaking, you should be comfortable!" I then noticed that the few Virgo influenced people are the ones who found the most humor in it.
😂😂😂😂😂 But id want my feet in the oven and head in the ice....to me that sounds more comfy. I dont know i get headaches, ice helps and my feet are naturally always cold. IP: Logged |