posted May 09, 2016 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Do you mean both your Moon and Venus have no aspects? Or that they're conjunct but don't make any other aspects?

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hi doux, here's my natal chart. it looks like there's no aspect with my moon and venus.

would like to know the meaning in regards to the feminine (mother). like when moon square venus appears on a person's chart, they usually had a unloving mom in childhood. so what would it mean if i have an unaspected moon/venus? thank you

posted May 09, 2016 05:49 PM            

someone questioned about when major planets make no aspects ...

This is a good question and I wish I had a simple answer. In fact there are a number of approaches. One that is quite common in natal charts is to interpret the lack of major aspects as an indicator that the particular aspect of character represented by the planet is poorly integrated into the overall persona. Thus a person with no major aspects to Venus might be seen as having difficulty expressing their need to relate to others. That isn't to say that they can''t relate at all - far from it - simply this aspect is not well integrated with the rest.

Clearly how far you go along with such an interpretation depends on the extent to which you take a psychological approach. It also depends on the importance you give to major aspects. Again I don't wish to imply that these are unimportant - far from it. However if you believe that aspects are more important than say, house rulerships, or location in the chart (such as being angular) you are likely to 'weaken' a planet that has no major aspect, more than you would if you took house rulership and chart location to be more important than major aspects.

There's also the issue of whether a planet with no major aspect is more debilitated than a planet with a number of oppositions and squares. It's quite possible to argue that the lack of contacts is at least as debilitating, if not more debilitating because that energy lacks any channel for expression.

posted May 09, 2016 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
ok, found this

someone questioned about when major planets make no aspects ...

This is a good question and I wish I had a simple answer. In fact there are a number of approaches. One that is quite common in natal charts is to interpret the lack of major aspects as an indicator that the particular aspect of character represented by the planet is poorly integrated into the overall persona. Thus a person with no major aspects to Venus might be seen as having difficulty expressing their need to relate to others. That isn't to say that they can''t relate at all - far from it - simply this aspect is not well integrated with the rest.

Clearly how far you go along with such an interpretation depends on the extent to which you take a psychological approach. It also depends on the importance you give to major aspects. Again I don't wish to imply that these are unimportant - far from it. However if you believe that aspects are more important than say, house rulerships, or location in the chart (such as being angular) you are likely to 'weaken' a planet that has no major aspect, more than you would if you took house rulership and chart location to be more important than major aspects.

There's also the issue of whether a planet with no major aspect is more debilitated than a planet with a number of oppositions and squares. It's quite possible to argue that the lack of contacts is at least as debilitating, if not more debilitating because that energy lacks any channel for expression.

In other branches of Astrology the lack of aspect may be important for another reason - In horary for example if the planet is a significator of say the querent and it makes no major aspect to the planet signifying the questied then it's unlikely that the outcome being considered will come to pass.
http://www.tarotforum.net/archive/index.php/t-36318.html

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posted May 09, 2016 06:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Yes, I think she meant that there's no aspect between the Moon and Venus.

And yeah, I'm not sure how to interpret that. It's just... *shrugs and shrugs and shrugs...*

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Hahahaha, yeah, right?
But in my mind I think that it's not interpreted somehow, because ANY and everyone of us lacks some aspects between planets in their chart. This is almost philosophical I think..! I really dont know!

posted May 09, 2016 08:48 PM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
would like to know the meaning in regards to the feminine (mother). like when moon square venus appears on a person's chart, they usually had a unloving mom in childhood.

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That's not the meaning of Moon square Venus, but we'll ignore that for now.

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... so what would it mean if i have an unaspected moon/venus? thank you

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There is nothing to attribute meaning to. Not everyone gets a Moon aspect with Venus. Besides, look at your aspect grid under the Moon column:
- Moon trine Mercury and Mars
- ... square Jupiter
- ... semi-square Saturn
- ... conjunct Pluto, and trine Mars & Sun.

And in the Venus column:
- Venus trine Saturn
- ... square Pluto

As mar1982delta pointed out the very notion of 'unaspected' simply does not apply in any way to this chart.

posted May 10, 2016 08:09 AM            

my question is my non aspect *between* my moon and venus on my chart. it is EMPTY....so how does that affect a person's psyche since there is no aspect there?

regarding the moon square venus aspect. i read this on another thread on this forum. i also read it before on an article i found on google. was also with an ex bf that has moon square venus, and it is exactly how he was how he acted through his relationship with his mom, what happpened in childhood and how he had such fears (issues and insecurities) in his relationship with others (friendship and romantic).

what i meant with an unloving mother is, she was not there emotionally with her child. if that make sense? lol

Moon square Venus (Betty Lundsted)

The Moon represents the physical mother and how she reacts to her life at the time of our birth, and how she reacts to us emotionally. Venus represents the psychological efect of the mother's concepts of femininity and love that is retained in our psyche. The square between these planets represents emotional stress absorbed in the childhood. This square indicates excessive feelings of resentment regarding the biological role women are forced to play; it therefore indiactes that the mother had certain resentments about the responsibilities of mother hood when this childwas born. She may have grown out of these feelings; she may have adjusted to the role of motherhood later on in the marriage. But when this child was born, the mother passed on a feeling that women had to justify or prove their existence, that a woman was a second-class citizen.

The male born with Venus square the Moon has a different problem because he is a man and not a woman. His mother didn't like her biological role; she resented beingstuck with diapers and the 2 a.m. feedings, and she probably didn't get enough understanding or help from her husband when this child was born. The mother may have given up all hope of a much wanted career. The male with this aspect has a different dilemma from the female who has it, for he will have to make peace with the concept of his emotional worth, or his values regarding women, or both. When he grows up, the chances are that he won't expect a woman to be in his corner, and he may have a closed attitude about the possibilities of any love relationship. He is affected by his mother's lack of respect for'womanhood' in general. The square indicates that his Mom didn't like or respectother women; and, if she's a woman and she didn't like women, why should he?

posted May 10, 2016 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
Furthermore, the only meaning that could possibly be drawn from this is that you have a mother that wasn't very Venusian due to the lack of a Venusian aspect to your moon.

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this is what i was trying to get at, and it's true. my mom seems like she has some sort of imbalance between her masculine and feminine energies. thank you. i've been trying to study the energies of the feminine for inner work reasons. so i saw that my moon and venus is empty. forgive my lack of understanding of what unaspected means, as i am very new to all this and still studying and learning.

a friend just pointed out that there might be a loose square between my moon and venus. do you guys see that on the chart?

posted May 10, 2016 10:17 AM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
this is what i was trying to get at, and it's true. my mom seems like she has some sort of imbalance between her masculine and feminine energies. thank you. i've been trying to study the energies of the feminine for inner work reasons. so i saw that my moon and venus is empty. forgive my lack of understanding of what unaspected means, as i am very new to all this and still studying and learning.

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It is okay. I'm still learning much myself lol.

Perhaps there is a hard aspect between your Moon and Mars? That with the lack of a Moon-Venus aspect can possibly contribute to your Mother's imbalance of gender-attributed traits being pronounced in her personality. My mother doesn't have this issue and I have no aspect between Moon and Venus too, but I also have no Moon aspect to Mars either.

posted May 10, 2016 10:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
It is okay. I'm still learning much myself lol.

Perhaps there is a hard aspect between your Moon and Mars? That with the lack of a Moon-Venus aspect can possibly contribute to your Mother's imbalance of gender-attributed traits being pronounced in her personality. My mother doesn't have this issue and I have no aspect between Moon and Venus too, but I also have no Moon aspect to Mars either.

As for the loose square (just noticed the chart lol), it is too wide to be considered a square. They are square by sign though, so there may be some dissonance, but it is not very prominent.

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i have a moon trine mars. isn't that supposed to be a harmonous aspect? my mother is also aquarian. i don't have her natal chart though. i will try to get it lol. she's very super detached emotionally. always felt that since childhood.

posted May 10, 2016 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:

As for the loose square (just noticed the chart lol), it is too wide to be considered a square. They are square by sign though, so there may be some dissonance, but it is not very prominent. With Moon trine Mars your mom could've found it easy to express masculine traits yet had to deal with the lack of Venusian traits with no aspect between Moon and Venus.

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omg, yes! she's more masculine dominant (emotionally detached) SUPER interesting. you're good! i want to delve more into what you just said above. will get back!

what you mean no aspect between moon and venus with my mom? i don't know if she does, i don't have her chart. i am the one with no aspect between moon and venus...

posted May 10, 2016 02:43 PM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
hmmm, sounds like my question is misunderstood here lol ... must be the mercury retrograde.

my question is my non aspect *between* my moon and venus on my chart. it is EMPTY....so how does that affect a person's psyche since there is no aspect there?

regarding the moon square venus aspect. i read this on another thread on this forum. i also read it before on an article i found on google. was also with an ex bf that has moon square venus, and it is exactly how he was how he acted through his relationship with his mom, what happpened in childhood and how he had such fears (issues and insecurities) in his relationship with others (friendship and romantic).

what i meant with an unloving mother is, she was not there emotionally with her child. if that make sense? lol

Moon square Venus (Betty Lundsted)

The Moon represents the physical mother and how she reacts to her life at the time of our birth, and how she reacts to us emotionally. Venus represents the psychological efect of the mother's concepts of femininity and love that is retained in our psyche. The square between these planets represents emotional stress absorbed in the childhood. This square indicates excessive feelings of resentment regarding the biological role women are forced to play; it therefore indiactes that the mother had certain resentments about the responsibilities of mother hood when this childwas born. She may have grown out of these feelings; she may have adjusted to the role of motherhood later on in the marriage. But when this child was born, the mother passed on a feeling that women had to justify or prove their existence, that a woman was a second-class citizen.

The male born with Venus square the Moon has a different problem because he is a man and not a woman. His mother didn't like her biological role; she resented beingstuck with diapers and the 2 a.m. feedings, and she probably didn't get enough understanding or help from her husband when this child was born. The mother may have given up all hope of a much wanted career. The male with this aspect has a different dilemma from the female who has it, for he will have to make peace with the concept of his emotional worth, or his values regarding women, or both. When he grows up, the chances are that he won't expect a woman to be in his corner, and he may have a closed attitude about the possibilities of any love relationship. He is affected by his mother's lack of respect for'womanhood' in general. The square indicates that his Mom didn't like or respectother women; and, if she's a woman and she didn't like women, why should he?

His image of woman is not healthy. He may dislike his mother intense, for if venus indicates the psychological influence of his mother, the square indicates that the influence was not constructive. Venus (the concept of love) works against (sqare) hisnormal emotional responses (Moon). He is apt to be confused about love situations.In order to further understand the possibilities of this particular configuration, look at the other aspects to Venus, the Moon and Mars. This will give a picture of as to how he will choose to express himself emotionally. This can be the chart of a man who chooses to express himself homosexually because he really dislikes his mother as well as women in general. This may be a man who overreacts whenever he has contact with women. This aspect can indicate a man who doesn't appreciate(Venus) his own feeling nature (Moon).
http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumd isplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Astrology+2.0&number=24&DaysPrune=1000&LastLogin=

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@blueskies
After some trouble, lol, I understood what you were trying to say and responded in my previous post " ANY and everyone of us lacks some aspects between planets in their chart. ", so this doesn't necessarily mean something!
The link you posted above doesn't work unfortunately, but this was about moon square venus, this can't lead us to assume something about the lack of an aspect between moon and venus..Electro might have a point though, if you think his description resonates!
But, I don't think this non-aspect between moon and venus or any planet might indicate something about the qualities of the mother in every case, since my moon is "unaspected"-like the astrological term, I mean. What does this mean, that my mother had NO qualities? I am making an exaggeration here, trying to make a point as to the potential interpretation of the mother having feminine or masculine qualities..
I think you are trying to find something to confirm a notion you already have in your mind, to be completely honest. This might be indicated in your chart or not, I don;t really know what you are trying to confirm, maybe I am wrong, though.. (or maybe mercury retro strikes again lol)

posted May 10, 2016 03:22 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

@blueskies
After some trouble, lol, I understood what you were trying to say and responded in my previous post " ANY and everyone of us lacks some aspects between planets in their chart. ", so this doesn't necessarily mean something!
The link you posted above doesn't work unfortunately, but this was about moon square venus, this can't lead us to assume something about the lack of an aspect between moon and venus..Electro might have a point though, if you think his description resonates!
But, I don't think this non-aspect between moon and venus or any planet might indicate something about the qualities of the mother in every case, since my moon is "unaspected"-like the astrological term, I mean. What does this mean, that my mother had NO qualities? I am making an exaggeration here, trying to make a point as to the potential interpretation of the mother having feminine or masculine qualities..
I think you are trying to find something to confirm a notion you already have in your mind, to be completely honest. This might be indicated in your chart or not, I don;t really know what you are trying to confirm, maybe I am wrong, though.. (or maybe mercury retro strikes again lol)

@Kannon, thanks!

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it was a question whether or not there's some meaning to it. i don't know, hence i asked the question. looks like most responses including yours leans towards it meaning nothing. cool... glad to know.

not really following your example relating to your mom?? not saying it's necessarily that way. what electro mentioned above somehow resonates to my dynamic with my OWN mom. nothing to do with your mom, or anyone else's for that matter. it's not personal.

what notion? curious what you think i am thinking??

i actually don't know, that's why i am investigating some insights and asking questions, so i can know... like i said above, i am studying the psychology of the feminine energy since moon and venus energies are feminine. this is my own personal inner work, nothing to do with anyone outside myself. so it's nothing to take personally. i noticed that electro and yourself mentioned that since you both also don't have aspect between moon and venus as well...i am not saying you have a emotionally unavailable mother.

so in conclusion, looks like the 'no aspect' btwn moon / venus doesn't really mean anything. thanks for the insights.

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

Do you mean there is no aspect between your Venus and Moon???? A lot of people don't have lol, I don't know if we can interpret it as lack of something..

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posted May 10, 2016 03:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
You're trying to make meaning out of something that is non-existent. Because there is no aspect between the Moon and Venus, they act on a separate level from one another and therefore don't have any effect on each other. Your Moon is not tainted with Venusian qualities (unless in a sign ruled by Venus)

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my moon is actually in Libra, which is ruled by venus.so what now?

posted May 10, 2016 04:59 PM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
just re-read your previous post. my question wasn't leaning towards it lacking of something. i was more curious to know if the no aspect would mean that there is a blockage or issue with the feminine, in this case with my mom

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Haha, I didnt take it personally at all, perhaps its my poor english that somehow implied something like that, but its not true! I mentioned my mom like an example, a parallelism if you like, nothing beyond that..I wasnt offended by your words, questions or research!
And I dont really know specifically what you are thinking, except that you feel a blockage, underlying issue there, as you said..I dont know 100% that this isnt indicated from the lack of aspects between moon and venus, but to my knowledge there isn't something showed by it. Although yes, I agree that since you feel there is personal inner work involved, astrology will help you with this!
Perhaps you ll find the answer/s in something else in your natal!
Good luck!

posted May 10, 2016 07:25 PM            

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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
thank you for understanding and your patience mar1982

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