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Chiemi
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posted May 11, 2016 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chiemi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you think it's possible for harder aspects in one's chart (i.e. Squares and oppositions) to be mitigated with the help of therapy?

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posted May 11, 2016 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would say yes, it's possible.
I almost feel like astrology itself was therapy for me because it helped me to understand myself, reasons why I am the way I am, how I might be able to change.

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posted May 11, 2016 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Chiemi
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posted May 11, 2016 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chiemi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you both for replying and I agree and have lately been interested in other thoughts and opinions on this.

I'm seeing a therapist and one thing she's specifically trying to help me with is building better relationships with people (i.e. Helping me learn to not be avoidant of people, learning to be vulnerable, etc.) which is reflected in my natal moon/uranus opposition.

The only thing that I wonder though is that if I "heal" this aspect within myself, how would the moon/Uranus energy play out?

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hypatia238
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posted May 11, 2016 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Definitely...
I think you will enjoy this comment from Lotis White from another thread:

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Originally posted by Lotis White:

I tend to look at aspects as taking on some of the flavor of the first zodiac sign they occur in… So yes to your question….

Squares have a primal, feeling vibe like Cancer, and I’ll elaborate on this one to give an example of what I mean.

The 1st square occurs in the sign of Cancer…. Which can explain why squares can be so painful, or even traumatic, on an emotional level. They can cause us to question our selves, and perhaps experience some insecurity, and self-doubt. Natal Squares can be quite poignant, and can often feel like a tragic flaw that we are quite touché about…. Where we feel uncertain of ourselves, or even shy…. This is until we are able to summon the courage overcome our blockages, and confront an issue. Squares challenge us to overcome our inner uncertainty and take action to solve our problems. Cancer is a cardinal sign, and as such squares ultimately show ambition to overcome the odds regardless of what gets in your way. They show where we feel ‘weak’ or blocked, and also where we feel most driven and motivated to preserve our security. And squares do seem to have a lot to do with having your security, or emotional well being, threatened in someway. When a crab feels threatened and backed up against the wall they will fight. So yeah, overcoming uncertainty and taking action is a big theme for squares. Of course, a lot also depends on which planets are squaring…. Mars square the Sun my show a very aggressive person, but this aggression may be part of a defense mechanism they have developed because of a secret fear that they are actually weak. So they overcompensate to prove that no one can push them around….

I think trines are like Leo, in that they show a natural talent we have that just flows out from our being. Trines also tend to show where we feel confident and sure of ourselves, and what we are capable of doing. In relationships trines show what parts of the relationship we feel confident about, because the two planets in trine flow together so well, that we just naturally trust in it. There is also the feeling of specialness and glory that comes form Leo in trines… For example, If you had someone whose Mercury trines your Venus… You may feel that this person knows just how to sweet talk you, that they can do it like no one else you’ve ever known, and that this part of the relationship is so special… How could anyone else compete! The trined parts of a relationship can be easily romanticized because they run so smoothly, and appear to be ‘perfect’.

I Also think conjunctions have a leaping forward together vibe, and an intensity, like Aries.

And Oppositions have a lot to do with contrasting, comparing, debating and taking turns, like Libra.

Quincunxes occur in the signs Virgo and Scorpio in the natural zodiac, and this aspect definitely is connected with irritating health issues on a physical level, and weird, awkward vibes of a psychological level. Like Virgo and Scorpio.


So yeah, that’s my take.


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bonsai
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posted May 11, 2016 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonsai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why not? It's like some people being born with a natural talent for something and others having to put in some effort to become good at the same thing. Nothing's set in stone. It's just about how willing you are to push beyond your limits. Some people are just born with a leg-up for something while others may need to start from scratch. But starting from scratch doesn't mean you're doomed. Definitely not easy, but not impossible either.

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posted May 11, 2016 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chiemi:
Thank you both for replying and I agree and have lately been interested in other thoughts and opinions on this.

I'm seeing a therapist and one thing she's specifically trying to help me with is building better relationships with people (i.e. Helping me learn to not be avoidant of people, learning to be vulnerable, etc.) which is reflected in my natal moon/uranus opposition.

The only thing that I wonder though is that if I "heal" this aspect within myself, how would the moon/Uranus energy play out?


It might just be your sore spot that gets triggered, however you will learn to manage it better every time with good therapy. It might not 'disappear' but more awareness to this opposition and it's management is where the healing occurs. It might not 'charge' you so much as before.

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posted May 12, 2016 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do not think it is about "mitigation" but about "acepting" what we are rather than "repressing" what we do not like about us.

most of the negative characteristics of astrological placement comes out of lack of integration and acceptance, not out of having A or B placement

Psychotherapy (at leat from the analytical perspective. I dont buy into behaviorism or cognitivism) help us to become more who we are meant to be, not the other way around.

same placement can be used for the best good of humanity and the individual as well as the worst crimes. so, it is the lack of integration of the different archetypes in ones person that cause the main problem. when you have hard aspects, but even soft aspects between unfriendly planets (moon uranus for instance) call for integration of boths energies. most people just side with certain areas of the chart and repress the others. then symtoms in health, or violence from outside or falling in love with the wrong person etc etc become a vicious circle. but it is not meant to be.

psychological astrology is about working the psyche. otherwise, we should follow classical, vedic or something more FATED. but if we are into psychological astrology, then we know that we can work with psychotherapy to become more whole.

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posted May 12, 2016 06:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chiemi:
Thank you both for replying and I agree and have lately been interested in other thoughts and opinions on this.

I'm seeing a therapist and one thing she's specifically trying to help me with is building better relationships with people (i.e. Helping me learn to not be avoidant of people, learning to be vulnerable, etc.) which is reflected in my natal moon/uranus opposition.

The only thing that I wonder though is that if I "heal" this aspect within myself, how would the moon/Uranus energy play out?


the moon-uranus play out (even in trine) with a dilema closeness nurturing versus freedom excitement. a person with this aspect needs exciment experiences in their life. when they are "aware" of this need, the consciusly look to fulfill these experiences (for instances jump from a parachute, or go into high risk sports to get the adrenaline) when this person want because other placement a peaceful saturnian type of life, they are searhing for trouble. then they find situations in life that brings the uranian part and create a lot of disruption. or fall in love with urealiable people to get the excitment...

moon uranus has a dilemma, you cannot side with either one, but know that each side needs to be acknolwedge and Owned. the more you become conscious about what you need to keep uranus and moon happy, the less it become disruptive.. but never try to hide from this reality. when something is in our chart, this is what we are. either we integreate these energies or we get them from outside...

the following excerpt from café astrology has a good drescription and solution for the dilemma...

MoonsquareoppositionUranus Moon square or opposition Uranus People with these aspects in their natal chart are studies in contradiction. When they are able to fulfill their emotional needs for closeness, support, and intimacy, another part of their personality rebels. They feel closed in, restricted, and uncomfortable with feelings of dependency. However, when they are left alone on an emotional level, they can feel left out. They begin to crave closeness and intimacy once again. They keep people at an emotional arm’s length often enough, yet struggle with their emotional independence.

Daily routines feel too stifling for these individuals. They need to mix things up in order to feel creative and emotionally vital. Inconsistency is a result, and some level of domestic disorder is almost a guarantee. Living with them can be challenging for more orderly and systematic people!

People with Moon-Uranus hard aspects despise emotional pretense. They are adamant about expressing themselves honestly, which generally translates to “sporadically”. If they don’t “feel it”, they simply won’t do it. It can be challenging to pin them down at times–they will feel cornered. Don’t take it too personally, however, because they not only rebel against your schedules, they rebel against their own as well! The fact is, when they try to bring more order to their lives, it can be hard to stick to a program, even if they were the ones who designed the program.

Their insistence on following their own intuition and “inner code” is admirable on one hand. In fact, they are generally quite proud of their emotional honesty. However, this honesty can be difficult for others to deal with at times. They are sometimes accused of selfishness as a result, although they don’t see it that way at all. They are generally very creative people, although their creative output is sporadic. Whenever Uranus is strongly connected to a personal planet in the natal chart, you’ll find this “stop-and-start” energy simply because these people live on intuition. Uranus intuition is not the same as Neptune intuition–it’s more self-focused and has to do with being true to oneself.

More often than not, Moon-Uranus people had unusual early home lives. They may have been given an unusual amount of freedom as a child, or the converse. Whichever was the case, they insist upon a certain level of personal freedom as adults. Their experience of their mother figure may have also been erratic in the expression of nurture.

These people attract changes and disruptions into their domestic lives. They may not enjoy this fact, but if this is the case, they must examine their lives a little more closely. Consider a person who thinks to himself, “hey, my life has become pretty routine–even boring” and then shortly thereafter his life takes a sharp turn. The crises that he now faces may not seem like something he has literally asked for. However, with the Moon in hard aspect to Uranus, the basic energy is a basic need for emotional excitement. We may live with this basic need and not even recognize it. If we don’t own it, we can attract upsetting emotional situations and disruptions into our lives. It’s hard to know whether Moon-Uranus people embrace changes (these ones move house often, re-arrange their homes frequently, mix up their domestic routines every once in a while, and so forth) or resist them stubbornly. One thing is certain, however: the happiest people with this natal chart aspect recognize their need to do things differently with regards to how they approach family and home life.

You tend to be emotionally impulsive and instinctual. Your early upbringing may have been unusual in some manner, and possibly a tad unstable. This is not to say that you are unstable–just that your early experiences with home, family, and nurturing had some erratic quality that left an impression on you. Some people with this aspect moved frequently when they were young. Others had a mother or caregiver who marched to the beat of a different drummer. As a result, there is an inner dichotomy at work: you crave emotional intimacy, yet your need for independence is just as strong. Your desire to be cared for and your need for emotional independence are at odds with one another. This may not be as apparent to you as it is to others who you are close with. The key to this challenging aspect is integration. While you are young, you may struggle with this dichotomy, and you may need to do so in order to achieve some sort of understanding and inner peace later in life.

Perhaps much of your life, you struggle with routines and the “humdrum”. When life becomes too routine, you rebel. Emotional excitement is important to you, and if you are not aware of this, you attract emotional upheavals in your life. This can be very upsetting to you, but you must learn why you are attracting these upheavals in the first place. You do not feel “ordinary”, and do not want to live your life in an “ordinary” manner. If you are attracting upsetting emotional situations in your life, it may be because you are not looking for a healthy outlet for your need for emotional excitement.

You are an intensely creative and inventive person, but your creative expression may be erratic and irregular. You have spurts of energy and creativity that come in flashes. You have a hard time producing much of anything when you are called upon to do so, preferring to produce only when your spirit is ignited, not by some enforced schedule. Your domestic life may be somewhat irregular or unusual to outsiders. Self-discipline is somewhat lacking, mainly due to this inner need to be in tune with your spirit and a general resistance to being imposed upon.

Women with this aspect (from the Astrology Profile for Women report): Your Moon is in opposition aspect to Uranus, adding a high level of unpredictability to your emotional nature and a need for personal independence. You need excitement, change and distraction, but at levels you can tolerate without totally disrupting your life. You may also be more comfortable when you’re independent, instead of being tied to a set schedule, a certain role or a particular list of demands. As an independent woman, you are more likely to tolerate commitments. If you’re expected or demanded to do certain things, you may just rebel for the sake of rebellion. After all, you’re an individual! There may be other planetary aspects in your chart which add a level of focus and stability to your life, but this influence alone can disrupt even the best laid plans! At the level of your soul you cry out to be seen and accepted for who you are, unconditionally. That acceptance must first come from within yourself.

This influence also indicates the possibility of higher than normal fluctuations in hormonal levels, which can also stimulate more profound emotional changeability. Those who are close to you probably recognize a cyclical level to your alterations in mood, and you can probably tie them to a cycle yourself if you pay attention. You may or may not decide to choose motherhood as an option, and may be more comfortable in non-traditional relationships. To maintain a relationship you need plenty of room to be yourself. And to be the kind of mother you want to be, you need to develop a supportive relationship with your children which has some levels of consistency. You may relate to teen-agers more easily than to small children.

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posted May 12, 2016 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DopGang:
I would say yes, it's possible.
I almost feel like astrology itself was therapy for me because it helped me to understand myself, reasons why I am the way I am, how I might be able to change.

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posted May 12, 2016 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrology is no therapy for me
I have deep anxiety and it gets worst when I look at difficult transits, progressions, solar returns. It is tough for me.

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hypatia238
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posted May 12, 2016 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^well then you are not using it as a tool the right way focusing for example on the good that can come out of transits and how it can help with your personal growth as opposed to thinking the worst and engaging in catastrophic thinking without making any effort to correct and replace your maladaptive limiting self defeating thoughts which control your mood.

Also if transits are such triggers for you don't check your transits and just use the natal chart as a way to gain important insight about yourself....

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