posted May 19, 2016 05:52 AM            

The opposition does not have the intensity of the square, so no. It may be the difference between dark, dark chocolate and milk chocolate

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posted May 19, 2016 05:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Ami, I have another question for you, which is a bit rethorical.

If Moon squares Mars symbolizes dislike of women (by the way, you're not the first astrologer who has said that), it does create some kind of an astrological conundrum.

Because it would mean that if a man has moon in Cancer, in its dignity/rulership, and Mars in Aries, also in its dignity/rulership, the result of those two dignities would be something negative, which does not make much sense to me. Though I could see that Mars in Libra (detriment) with Moon in Cancer could result in dislike of women.

Do you understand what I am saying? My question is do you think moon square mars = dislike of women holds true when the respective planets are in their rulerships?

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GREAT question, B.

The chart aspects have to be WEIGHTED. That is why it takes me about a week to do a single natal chart. Also, one has to see which aspects are strengthened/weakened by asteroids,too.

Let me say this, people have Themes. If a man dislikes women, it will, usually, show in many ways. Hence, I would come to that conclusion by several aspects.

However, this one aspect--moon square mars, if it is close, will have the meaning of dislike/mistrust of women--period end imo and ime

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posted May 19, 2016 06:25 AM            

There are other factors to see the STRENGTH of this square/trait. How close is the square? How close are other aspects. Does it seem to highlight itself due to closeness of orb, while the rest of the chart does not have close orbs etc

To me, the chart is dying to tell us it's secrets, which is our basic nature. We just have to study, study, study to try to mine it.

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posted May 19, 2016 09:50 AM            

How would you compare Mars in Scorpio to a Mars-Pluto aspect? Would you see them as one and the same or different? I have Mars in Scorpio and in declinations it is parallel Pluto. My sister has a Natal Mars-Pluto opposition.

I also have Moon trine Venus by sign, but not by aspect. Venus in Aqua and Moon in Gemini

posted May 19, 2016 09:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
What about Moon sq Mars in women? Do they hate the female side of themselves?

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posted May 19, 2016 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
What about Moon sq Mars in women? Do they hate the female side of themselves?

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If you don't mind me popping in, I wouldn't think so. Hating the female side of themselves may have to do with hard aspects to Venus or a Mars-Venus aspect, since women are naturally Venusian and an afflicted Venus can indicate trouble expressing femininity.

Moon Square Mars in a woman can indicate a mother who may have been possibly too aggressive. This aspect also create friction between the emotional context and passions/anger, so one may get angry out of an emotional context and be quick to react if they're upset. Having a hard Moon-Mars aspect can be tough because it resembles the Mars in Cancer in a way, which is naturally the most difficult position for mars. This aspect may also indicate an flood of anger within the emotional context that needs to be controlled due to the intensification created by the square. Think of it as like having an Aries Moon and a Cancer Mars.

That's my take on it

posted May 19, 2016 10:22 AM            

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This aspect may also indicate an flood of anger within the emotional context that needs to be controlled due to the intensification created by the square.

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Yes. I have talked to other moon square Mars people before, and if anything, we are slower to react than others.

Possibly because we are used to our emotions going wonky. We don't really express what we feel because as we get older we recognize that those feelings may be exaggerated, imbalanced, not really useful to us and our goals.

At best we just take a deep breath and go on from there. We get a lot of practice with this.

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Also, people should know that not everyone on this site would recognize Ami as a real astrologer and teacher.

posted May 19, 2016 10:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
^ Very insightful, Electro.

Yes. I have talked to other moon square Mars people before, and if anything, we are slower to react than others.

Possibly because we are used to our emotions going wonky. We don't really express what we feel because as we get older we recognize that those feelings may be exaggerated, imbalanced, not really useful to us and our goals.

At best we just take a deep breath and go on from there. We get a lot of practice with this.

I have never hated my femininity but with a Pisces moon in a water house, which is quite sensitive, I have felt the need for protection. At that point Mars may step in like the bodyguard. So, people may just see Mars, masculinity? And maybe they don't see what what Mars is actually defending.

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Thanks!

What you said about the Mars involvement could be possible. Since the moon is such a sensitive placement and it is at odds with such an angry planet, the Mars placement may take charge in order to shield away the sensitivity of the moon in order to protect themselves and hide away from vulnerability.

Strange thing is though, I met a Gemini with a Pisces Moon square Mars in Gemini. Strange, isn't it.
I'll study him and learn about your life lol XD

posted May 19, 2016 10:51 AM            

Sometimes people ask me if I'm gay, which does annoy me in a way. I am homosexual, but I have a deeply rooted disgust for gay-male stereotypes. I've always been disgusted when I've done things that were more so "feminine", so I tell myself that I should act more masculine because I should act the gender that I am. May be due to a hard Mars-Saturn aspect, but it's been pretty prominent lately.

I ask them why they think I'm gay, and their reasons behind it and strange. A Taurus friend of mine tried to tell me that knowing the details of the type of shoes I wear was a gay indicator
I was like, "Okay, you're on crack. You need to take some time off." lol

Another person (Virgo Sun) said it was because of the way I treat genders. They told me that I see people as equals regardless of their gender, and that I look to their character instead of their gender. Strange reason, but at least it's not because I express anything that could possibly be identified as feminine.

Whatever the reason, it is strange. Having a Gemini Moon in the 8th is more contradictory than it seems lol

posted May 19, 2016 11:10 AM            

"I'll tell you what I want you to know, when I want you to know it."

Something like that?

Well that would fit your Scorpio ASC.

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Another person (Virgo Sun) said it was because of the way I treat genders. They told me that I see people as equals regardless of their gender, and that I look to their character instead of their gender. Strange reason, but at least it's not because I express anything that could possibly be identified as feminine.

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posted May 19, 2016 11:14 AM            

Don't try prying because this fixed-dominant individual is gonna be too stubborn to give a **** lol.

Note when I say feminine it's not that I don't accept femininity from others and who they are. If they want to be a certain way I will respect them for that. I personally don't like expressing feminine qualities, so that is my own personal problem. Please don't take offense when I use femininity in that type of context

posted May 19, 2016 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Thanks, Ami, for your thoughts.

I have been paying a lot of attention lately to planetary dignities and they are reshaping my understanding of astrology.

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Bless you, my Friend. I am glad our little discussion helped you!

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posted May 19, 2016 12:54 PM            

Moon-square Mars(less than 1 degree orb)-check. Though I think this aspect can make a man very touchy and prone to outbursts. Not so much a "hatred" of women etc.

posted May 19, 2016 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
If you don't mind me popping in, I wouldn't think so. Hating the female side of themselves may have to do with hard aspects to Venus or a Mars-Venus aspect, since women are naturally Venusian and an afflicted Venus can indicate trouble expressing femininity.

Moon Square Mars in a woman can indicate a mother who may have been possibly too aggressive. This aspect also create friction between the emotional context and passions/anger, so one may get angry out of an emotional context and be quick to react if they're upset. Having a hard Moon-Mars aspect can be tough because it resembles the Mars in Cancer in a way, which is naturally the most difficult position for mars. This aspect may also indicate an flood of anger within the emotional context that needs to be controlled due to the intensification created by the square. Think of it as like having an Aries Moon and a Cancer Mars.

That's my take on it

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My mother can be aggressive. We used to run when she got angry.

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Originally posted by Faith:
^ Very insightful, Electro.

Yes. I have talked to other moon square Mars people before, and if anything, we are slower to react than others.

Possibly because we are used to our emotions going wonky. We don't really express what we feel because as we get older we recognize that those feelings may be exaggerated, imbalanced, not really useful to us and our goals.

At best we just take a deep breath and go on from there. We get a lot of practice with this.

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Yes, this. Although I kept things to myself when I was younger, and tend to say something now. Those pictures in the other thread that said, "I don't have the time to correct you" (or something like that) and then, "But that's going to bug me". Most of the time, I'll decide it isn't really worth it.

I don't hate my femininity. I miss feeling more "girly" - I loved makeup and clothes, when I was younger. The lack of the feeling has nothing to do with my aspect, and everything to do with life.

I've experienced this, as well: wanting to back off, but sticking with someone, anyway, out of empathy. That's why I try to back off if I think I'm bringing that out in someone else. Or I just need time to myself.

"I'll tell you what I want you to know, when I want you to know it." - That tends to be me, too. Or I go the opposite way, and explain myself too much, wondering why I feel the need to explain at all.

posted May 19, 2016 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, it is subtle, first of all. The men don't admit it. They say they love women and they do, in a way. They need women. They are into women but DOWN DEEP is a true hostility that they may not/do not see but it comes out.I have seen it enough to rely on it being there, the closer the aspect, the stronger and more intransigent, too

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I can actually see this being true, knowing two examples in my life (one with Moon sq. Mars and the other Moon quin. Mars). To say they are "women haters" in general I agree is a bit extreme, but the "deep down hostility" I think stems from their own struggle between their masculine and feminine energies, their Mars and Moon. If these energies don't align, then they struggle with blending them internally and therefore don't trust this energy because they don't understand it.

The examples I've mentioned both LOVE women, and wouldn't have it any other way, but I sense in both them a deep mistrust in women, as if they feel they're doomed to be taken advantage of or "played" in some way by them. In weak moments I've heard the phrase "all girls are slu*s" come out - coincidence? Even if that was intended to be a joke, I think deep down on some level, it wasn't.

Moon trine Venus on the other hand...definitely! You can't help but LOVE these men, as a woman. Now THESE are the types of men who are comfortable with feminine energy, and can mimic it back to you effortlessly. Need a shoulder to cry on? Need someone to rub your back and feed you ice cream? Look no further! Total sweethearts (if they embrace it).

posted May 19, 2016 04:12 PM            

The examples I've mentioned both LOVE women, and wouldn't have it any other way, but I sense in both them a deep mistrust in women, as if they feel they're doomed to be taken advantage of or "played" in some way by them. In weak moments I've heard the phrase "all girls are slu*s" come out - coincidence? Even if that was intended to be a joke, I think deep down on some level, it wasn't.

YES, this is what I mean said in different words, M!

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posted May 19, 2016 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries Eagle:
I have the first aspect

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I am not surprised, AE!

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posted May 23, 2016 06:39 AM            

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Originally posted by vertiver:
Aries Venus has got to be the easiest placement that I can tell right away. Those men are very forward with their affections and interest for you for about as long as till they know that you're into them as well and then off they are either mentally or physically on to the next romantic pursuit.

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GREAT point. They appear to be super assertive about going after people but THEY are not, when it gets down to it and HI! Have not seen you for awhile. How are you???

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