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Elysia
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posted May 25, 2016 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Neo-Natal Chart:
a.k.a The Caterpillar – Chrysalis – Butterfly model

This is a theory I’ve been playing around with. Considering our natal as the *base*, and our Draconic chart as the *goal*, our life, is the journey between those two. Sometimes fulfilled, sometimes not so much. Either way, we earn fresh karma in this lifetime, which will manifest in the next. However, we do not simply jump from our natal to our Draconic selves in one quantum leap. There are likely to be stages of the soul’s evolution along this path.

I first stumbled across this concept while trying to explain changes in myself & others through progressions and relocations alone. While they did shed light on some major themes, they did not fully describe the metamorphosis that had taken place. We all have some *pivotal* moments in life, that change us forever. We are reborn through those deeply cathartic experiences. Deep down, I feel like I’ve died three times already. Which is when it hit me – rebirth. Does it have to be only in the next physical life? Not necessary, since we are talking about the soul. Time and space for our physical being and spiritual being are very different indeed. We can be ‘reborn’ multiple times in this life itself. (Hence the name ‘Neo-Natal’ suggested itself to me). Each one takes us closer to the destination our soul craves. A time of major upheaval challenges us, and reveals a whole new layer of soul fabric. We may surprise ourselves with what we *possess*. A eureka moment like, ‘Hey, I didn’t know I had it in me!’ Parts of ourselves that have to see the light of day and be worked through before we’re ready for the next soul test.

I tested this out on myself and some friends, and the results were exciting. But that’s not a very comprehensive test set. I’d love to have all your inputs too. Let me describe one of my examples, so you can see what I mean. I cast a chart for myself, with the birth date, time and place of my first day at my job. This has truly been a life-altering experience for me, and I feel like I’ve grown into one of my better, yet more difficult selves here. Lots of things that I’ve had to face about myself. But I’ve a much better understanding of what I’m capable of, and what is not my cup of tea. I’ve felt a lot of pull towards the ‘bad’ side of my south node self too. And lo & behold – the Neo-Natal sun conjuncts my tropical south node – working through those issues is a theme. Pluto in the 10th, opposing the sun; and the Moon-Uranus-Asc conjunction in Aries speak for themselves. – Now a lot of what my colleagues ‘perceive’ about me makes sense. So does the type of activities I’ve been involved in, at work.

Here is my most recent Neo-Natal (orbs reduced to 60%) :


Although, I realize that maybe these are big themes for me, with my 8th house stellium. So, I’m seeing this through an 8th-housey lens. It may seem way off-base to saner people. What do you guys think? Does it resonate? Let me know what you think of this theory. Also, if possible, please share your Neo-Natal stories! (Or feel free to comment on mine).

>>How to get this chart: Plug in the Date, Time, Place of the ‘event’, and view it as a natal chart. You can do this for as many times as you think massively important events have shaped you. Whether it’s your wedding day, or the day you parted ways with the love of your life, or when you first became a mom/dad. It can be anything, positive/negative – but it *has* to be deeply transformative for you.

>>Bonus Question: How does this neo-natal *you* relate to your natal self? People around you can also be an amazing guide to this. Paying attention to how their perceptions change, sometimes drastically, may clue you in about changes taking place within yourself. On the other hand, they are just perceptions after all, could be wrong – to be used at your discretion.
Looking forward to hearing your opinions.

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Elysia
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posted May 25, 2016 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, that is way too long! So sorry...

Kudos to anyone who manages to read the whole darn thing.

P.S. The 'event' does not have to be an external one, or even an actual happening. Any time you felt the stirrings of deep change is what counts. It could even be a *moment* when you decided something major.

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sarahhm
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posted May 25, 2016 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sarahhm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmmm that's given me an idea - what about counting 37 weeks before your birthday and casting a natal chart for your conception?

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Elysia
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posted May 25, 2016 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^

Okay...what do you think that would show..?

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DopGang
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posted May 25, 2016 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read it. Where's my kudos?

Well, I had a few things in mind and I made some charts for them. While I genuinely believe what you're saying I unfortunately don't know what I'm looking at. As in, I'm not skilled at spotting and interpreting anything significant in the charts.
Other than maybe, moon conjunct my natal south node in 8th. Which maybe could explain...?

It was an emotionally exhausting, sexually amplified relationship and the only thing good about it was how it changed me.

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Elysia
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posted May 25, 2016 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's to you, man :

I just read it as a natal chart -- this is the *you* of that time. Like, the era of "Sag Sun/Scorp moon" you ....
Or a role you're cast in, for that period of time..

As for connection to natal: What part/s of the natal/progressed is 'activated' or struggled against or harmoniously resolved.. (depending on the aspect - stressful, soft or anything in between).. Does this make any sense?

P.S. "moon conjunct my natal south node in 8th... emotionally exhausting, sexually amplified relationship." --> Yeah, you bet. That's pretty much the way to go about interpreting things, IMO.

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Faith
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posted May 25, 2016 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Elysia,

With key turning points in my life, I have analyzed the heck out of the event charts.

Usually it's not just the event chart but the EVC (event composite chart), the natal-to-draconic charts (showing draconic transits) and so on.

Asteroids, progressions, solar arcs, midpoints...where does it end? LOL

But I like your term, neo-natal chart.

Yours is quite a challenge with the cardinal t-square over the angles!

Any conjunctions between this chart and your draconic chart?

With one of my "neo-natal charts," there is a full moon on my draconic IC-MC axis. And some other stuff probably, but that's all I remember at the moment.

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Nyctea
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posted May 25, 2016 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nyctea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My draconic (Scorpio) moon is conjunct my natal IC. I guess that explains why i never felt 'balanced' emotionally even with my natal Taurus moon. The moon isn't good in Scorpio. My childhood wasn't the best... i can't remember how many psychologists and psychiatrists i went through years later.

Natal and draconic charts are equally important for me, i know it might not be a 'rule' for everyone. Having a life path 7 makes me more spiritual, i feel like i'm closer to my draconic... i still have the same dreams about life since i was little, my mentality didn't change much.

Here's a good video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tbFWT8SYxE

Please don't quote.

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Elysia
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posted May 25, 2016 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Faith, ^^ Yeah, exactly! Where does it all end?

With event charts and transits - I could ascertain *external* planetary influences that were making things happen in a certain way. Making me react in certain ways, in some cases. But there was nothing to explain, as mentioned, the *new* me. Now, when I factor in the neo-natal - it all clicks into place (well, at least seems so, for now ).
Seems like something from an internal PoV, to understand the dynamics of my mind/heart at play. So, way more hypothetical than a progressed chart, but closer in terms of energies, to the present *me*.

Yeah, those pesky squares. Geesh.
The Neo-Natal Pluto is on my Draco sun.
So is the MC, if you're willing to concede a 3-4° conjunction.

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Faith
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posted May 25, 2016 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Elysia:
With event charts and transits - I could ascertain *external* planetary influences that were making things happen in a certain way. Making me react in certain ways, in some cases. But there was nothing to explain, as mentioned, the *new* me. Now, when I factor in the neo-natal - it all clicks into place (well, at least seems so, for now )

I'm sorry, I don't understand the difference between the event chart and neo-natal?

quote:
Originally posted by Elysia:
The Neo-Natal Pluto is on my Draco sun. So is the MC, if you're willing to concede a 3-4° conjunction.

Wow

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Elysia
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posted May 25, 2016 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Haha! I actually didn't think of it that way at all.

It's just a matter of perspective. In two ways:
1. It does not necessarily relate to a real-life *event* - does not have to be an external event, I mean. (As mentioned in reply #1)
2. The interpretation changes, when you view it as a natal, and try to decode it like that. The whole inside-vs-outside thing... You sees?? *_* It's not something outside of you, or something that *happened*, it IS you..

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Faith
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posted May 25, 2016 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ohhh

Maybe because my moon aspects Mars and Neptune, things that happen in my mind have counted as major "events" in my reckoning.

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Elysia
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posted May 25, 2016 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, surely that counts !!

I guess my differentiation was a bit vague..
But yeah, not sure how effective these would be if used as frequently as event charts. We don't necessarily go through so much *major* psychological change that often. We can't very well interpret each and every event chart as a 'neo-natal'. It only represented *me* at times of inner change. --> That's how I would put it, the closest approximation I can think of right now. Basically, the key is to not think of it as an event chart at all, 'coz that's not what it is...

Thanks for your input, I see where you're coming from...!

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posted May 25, 2016 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, that is a super cool idea. Well written, too I'll try it in a bit.. definitely died a couple times before.. that would be the Scorpio NN taking place.

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Elysia
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posted May 25, 2016 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Selenite! Do come back and tell us what you find...

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posted May 25, 2016 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowCatcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love this idea!!! I've had a concept in mind similar. I wondered if the natal can ever be altered or changed, as certain people in life can change drastically when faced with absolute change that must occur. IE, a sudden accident that results in a near death experience, where the person comes out alive and well, but a totally different person. Here, you're taking the chart of those kinds of moments and "constructing" a new natal for that moment of who the person is. Awesome idea! I'll have to review this with my own chart and get back to you. Exact dates and times will be difficult to remember.

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posted May 26, 2016 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The birth of my kids.

Jupiter/moon/venus/asc conjunct my natal jupiter.

Pluto falls into my 12th house conj my venus/uranus/neptune/asc.

Brought out the sweeter, "kinder" side of me (ugh I almost gag lol). A lot of stuff happened around that time, and the way I dealt was quite uncharacteristic of me - according to my s.o. At first, I chalked it up to hormones. Sht deactivated my rage mode and filled me with the desire to snuggle with my cubs. But yeah, later it became obvious that it wasn't the only reason. There was something else, s.t that touched a deeper part of me and changed me in ways that I wasn't aware of.

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Elysia
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posted May 26, 2016 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@SnowCatcher,

Thanks! Yeah, you're absolutely on the same track as I was when I wrote this. Exact dates & times, yeah -- that's a toughie sometimes. But you might still be able to recollect, if they're tied to some other events that you can trace back to the calendar? For instance, if you remember something that happened Easter morning, as you were making pancakes...(yeah, super-lame example, I know ). I mean, the in-and-around events might help figure out a time.

@12muddy,

That's just beautiful. I love that using these charts makes those changes tangible. Thanks for taking the time to do this!

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posted May 26, 2016 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I really felt that I *died* on May 13th. Like really soul-crushed, to the breaking point, completely broken. Dead. I knew that something in me was changing on a very deep level, but it was still very painful.

It might not be strong enough to stand as a Neo-Natal, but I'll see..

..........HAha oh man, the ASC is at 2 Scorpio which is a ridiculous degree for me, I can't even explain it. It's my Part of Karma. I just chose this time because it was when I received bad news that caused the transformation. And, it's insane.

There is also a grand Earth trine between Virgo Jupiter and NN in the 11th, Cap Pluto in the 3rd, and Taurus Venus/Mercury in the 7th. The Nodes were tightly squaring my tropical Sun, and Jupiter was sextile my NN.

Part of me thinks that what I'm getting out of it was purely transits, but part of me really feels like I have developed a grand Earth trine in Air houses. In my tropical natal, I have a grand Fire trine in Fire houses, and the transformation that I felt seemed like it was a lesson in shedding the Self (Fire), coming to the material realm (Earth), and developing the virtues of rationality and detachment, and communication (3rd house / air influence. I have no air in my tropical natal.)
Also, Mercury was at 16 Taurus, retrograding towards my natal SN at 14 Taurus.

The Moon was at 26 Leo in the 10th, and my natal moon is 26 Aries. I have been more focused on career and my 'place in society' than ever before. Interesting, for sure.


Oh and one more thing... there is a grand Earth trine in my Draconic.

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