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headintheclouds91
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posted May 27, 2016 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for headintheclouds91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am like that and i am not quite sure what in my chart makes me too honest for my own good sometimes. I think i read once mercury square uranus can make someone brutally honest, is this true? Jupiter too is another planet i have read can make someone very honest and I have moon-jupiter venus-jupiter and jupiter-ascendant and my big ass mouth has gotten me into some embarrassing situations and trouble before. The most embarrassing is when i blurted out to my former teacher "oh are you pregnant" and she wasn't and then i had to explain why i thought she was and it just got really awkward. Also i have no trouble letting my friends and family and even people i don't know that well when they have for example gained weight i am not the"Lets pretend to not see it" type. These are just a few of many examples in my experience.

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posted May 27, 2016 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pisces Plutonian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you have a Mars - Mercury aspect or an Aries 3rd house cusp?

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posted May 27, 2016 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sag, but I wouldn't call it stupidly.
they just speak before they think and are famous for accidently on purpose.

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posted May 27, 2016 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for headintheclouds91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Pisces Plutonian:
Do you have a Mars - Mercury aspect or an Aries 3rd house cusp?

No, but i got mercury in the 1st house. Do you think that might be similar ?

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posted May 27, 2016 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pisces Plutonian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by headintheclouds91:
No, but i got mercury in the 1st house. Do you think that might be similar ?

Pretty sure that's the cause.

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posted May 27, 2016 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, your Mercury has a Mars subtone as it's in the 1st house. I think a Martian Mercury and a prominent Jupiter or Sag would do it. We want them well aspected for pure honesty which the native is in control of.

If there are stress aspects related to Uranus... or say South Node in Sagittarius... some 'malefic' or challenging tone, say Saturn and Mercury involved and Mars also... then we might have issues with over-sharing which is hurtful, and bluntness stemming from deep personal turmoil, exploding after repression... this is honesty which can be harmful.

I am honest to a fault but not usually blunt or rude with it (not a lot of Sag in me other than Uranus and Sun/Moin midpoint... oh and progressed Sun. Whatever--maybe that explains it partly though!). I can be really mean but have largely curbed this in myself (I have Saturn in Capricorn square Mars in Aries, creates issues with repression/explosion).

I have Scorpio rising, Mercury-Pluto in the 1st, Sun in 1st, and the dispositor of all these is Mars in Aries in the 5th. So all these planets for me have a 1st house/5th house, Aries/Scorpio/Leo, Mars-Mars-MARS subtone.. because of Mars being the final dispositor in Aries.... Mars and Aries are about courage, in their purest manifestation they give the person the ability to defend the whole group or tribe, to go to war, to die even for whatever is behind that driving force being felt... I'm personally very willing to lay it all on the line for what I perceive as the purest truth I can muster.

And I agree with you that this is also certainly a function of Jupiter, who is very committed indeed to speaking exactly that which is high minded and integral. A well placed or dignified Saturn can help with this too...

My Jupiter is in Gemini conjunct my vertex and sextile my Mars. It is quincunx my ascendant.

Overall I think a Martian Mercury and a highlighted Jupiter are both good basic indicators of this. Wouldn't expect afflictions from Neptune unless they're just enough to cloud your vision of what's appropriate in that moment because you don't feel the separation between yourself and the other very clearly.

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posted May 27, 2016 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Adriana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sagittarius placements, especially Mars and Mercury. That Mars really like to plow thru with words sometimes!! Mercury hard aspects to Mars/Uranus or maybe Jupiter. Mars in Aries or Gemini too.
But if Saturn or Capricorn are involved it may be diffused a bit.

I have a Mercury in Sagittarius conjunct Neptune. For the most part not so direct, but at times I get the Sagi blunders of stepping in the salad of too much honesty lol. Rowing will usually make it worse because then ppl realize you actually are aware of what you said hehe Even if you try to cover it up.
I know other Sago mercury ppl doing the same, me and a collegue (also sagi Mercury) are now making a list of blunders we say in that fashion hehe

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posted May 27, 2016 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was like this too before.

I think it comes from my:
- Moon conjunct jupiter
- Mercury sextile moon/jupiter
- asc trine jupiter
- mars in sag

I learn much from my moon's opposite sign and mars although sometimes I still spill some.

Edit: it doesn't mean my honesty is rude/using harsh words, I just tend to say what it is without a pretend.

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posted May 27, 2016 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for diamondbaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I personally don't agree that it's a Sagittarius/Jupiter kind of thing. Being brutally honest, tactless and rude is more like Aries/Mars, the unevolved version of course. I can easily see a Mercury in Aries/Mercury in 1st house (the house of Aries) or Mercury conjunct Mars type of person or someone with strong Aries/Mars influence in general behaving like that.

I'm a Sagittarius Sun, Leo Moon, Leo Ascendant, Aries Midheaven, Sagittarius Venus, Leo Jupiter, Grand Trine between Sagittarius Sun/Venus - Leo Jupiter - Aries Midheaven, so I can say that my natal chart is fire dominant with strong Sagittarius/Jupiter influence but I'm not tactless and rude at all. In fact I strongly dislike those kind of people, whenever I see one, I get second hand embarassment just by listening to them. I happen to know quite a lot of people with strong Sagittarius/Jupiter influence and they don't behave like that either. Now, I'm not saying I'm too diplomatic or afraid to speak my mind, but I "live and let live" (which also happens to be the motto of jovial Jupiter), I don't comment on what's none of my business and I don't give unsolicited advice because I know I hate to get one.

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posted May 27, 2016 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sag Midheaven/10th house

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posted May 27, 2016 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Adriana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diamondbaby, I agree with you sort of that the Sagi placement doesnt equal ruthlessness, its more a say it and think later, regret later hehe. Aries can be direct. I have a Sagi stellium, but blurry Neptune waters down Mercury, and Venus softens it, and I hate hurting ppl.

Im sort of involved now with a Mars in Sagi man (Mercury in Scorpio) and he surely knows how to throw it out there, but doesnt mean anything bad with it.

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posted May 27, 2016 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for headintheclouds91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by diamondbaby:
I personally don't agree that it's a Sagittarius/Jupiter kind of thing. Being brutally honest, tactless and rude is more like Aries/Mars, the unevolved version of course. I can easily see a Mercury in Aries/Mercury in 1st house (the house of Aries) or Mercury conjunct Mars type of person or someone with strong Aries/Mars influence in general behaving like that.

I'm a Sagittarius Sun, Leo Moon, Leo Ascendant, Aries Midheaven, Sagittarius Venus, Leo Jupiter, Grand Trine between Sagittarius Sun/Venus - Leo Jupiter - Aries Midheaven, so I can say that my natal chart is fire dominant with strong Sagittarius/Jupiter influence but I'm not tactless and rude at all. In fact I strongly dislike those kind of people, whenever I see one, I get second hand embarassment just by listening to them. I happen to know quite a lot of people with strong Sagittarius/Jupiter influence and they don't behave like that either. Now, I'm not saying I'm too diplomatic or afraid to speak my mind, but I "live and let live" (which also happens to be the motto of jovial Jupiter), I don't comment on what's none of my business and I don't give unsolicited advice because I know I hate to get one.


Jupiter is very known to be preachy though haha. I definitively think its jupiter/sag/aries influence that can make someone too honest for their own good sometimes. I have stronger jupiter influence than i do aries. Know a guy with a sag stellium and he will just blurt things out and tell it like it is. I also can't stand it when people aren't direct with me esp from people i know and will do things in a roundabout way, ugh. I`m like "If your mad at me than say it.If you want something say it" . Don't pretend and do all those *hint hint* s.h.i.t with me, i find it fake and such a cowardly way of dealing with things.

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posted May 27, 2016 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for headintheclouds91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Yes, your Mercury has a Mars subtone as it's in the 1st house. I think a Martian Mercury and a prominent Jupiter or Sag would do it. We want them well aspected for pure honesty which the native is in control of.

If there are stress aspects related to Uranus... or say South Node in Sagittarius... some 'malefic' or challenging tone, say Saturn and Mercury involved and Mars also... then we might have issues with over-sharing which is hurtful, and bluntness stemming from deep personal turmoil, exploding after repression... this is honesty which can be harmful.

I am honest to a fault but not usually blunt or rude with it (not a lot of Sag in me other than Uranus and Sun/Moin midpoint... oh and progressed Sun. Whatever--maybe that explains it partly though!). I can be really mean but have largely curbed this in myself (I have Saturn in Capricorn square Mars in Aries, creates issues with repression/explosion).

I have Scorpio rising, Mercury-Pluto in the 1st, Sun in 1st, and the dispositor of all these is Mars in Aries in the 5th. So all these planets for me have a 1st house/5th house, Aries/Scorpio/Leo, Mars-Mars-MARS subtone.. because of Mars being the final dispositor in Aries.... Mars and Aries are about courage, in their purest manifestation they give the person the ability to defend the whole group or tribe, to go to war, to die even for whatever is behind that driving force being felt... I'm personally very willing to lay it all on the line for what I perceive as the purest truth I can muster.

And I agree with you that this is also certainly a function of Jupiter, who is very committed indeed to speaking exactly that which is high minded and integral. A well placed or dignified Saturn can help with this too...

My Jupiter is in Gemini conjunct my vertex and sextile my Mars. It is quincunx my ascendant.

Overall I think a Martian Mercury and a highlighted Jupiter are both good basic indicators of this. Wouldn't expect afflictions from Neptune unless they're just enough to cloud your vision of what's appropriate in that moment because you don't feel the separation between yourself and the other very clearly.


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posted May 27, 2016 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for diamondbaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by headintheclouds91:
Jupiter is very known to be preachy though haha. I definitively think its jupiter/sag/aries influence that can make someone too honest for their own good sometimes. I have stronger jupiter influence than i do aries. Know a guy with a sag stellium and he will just blurt things out and tell it like it is. I also can't stand it when people aren't direct with me esp from people i know and will do things in a roundabout way, ugh. I`m like "If your mad at me than say it.If you want something say it" . Don't pretend and do all those *hint hint* s.h.i.t with me, i find it fake and such a cowardly way of dealing with things.

Well, I guess we can just agree to disagree regarding the Sagittarius/Jupiter influence question.

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posted May 27, 2016 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NeptunianSag     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sag mercury trine mars in 9th, I gotta speak my thoughts.

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posted May 27, 2016 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vegasdlt36     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
L always seem to make trouble at work for being to blunt, honest, whatever.

I've got mercury (1st house) square mars

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posted May 28, 2016 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquagembaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Mercury in 1H, conjunct Neptune and Uranus. PLUS Sag ASC.

I'll take jokes too far or say inappropriate things all the time. and I don't care haha. as long as its funny to me i'll say whats on my mind

Mercury conjunct Neptune makes it a bit hard to decipher my way through conversations. What I initially think is going to sound good, ends up not.

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posted May 28, 2016 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was, but I generally learned to hold back.

Honestly, I'm not sure how much comes from my family (who are generally outspoken, especially the ones prone to getting drunk) and how much comes from my Sag stellium (that includes moon and Mars-Uranus), which was backed by my Libra sun and stellium (includes Pluto, all sextile to my Sag stellium...and you should've seen me in my teen years while Pluto was transiting my Sag stellium!), which made me articulate.

According to Linda Goodman at least, Libra can be drawn to a good debate (everyone other than LG apparently thinks Libra is too spineless to do anything other than agree with everyone ), and they can excel at them, so combine that with Libra Pluto sextile Sag Mars-Uranus (which doesn't shy away from confronting authority figures) and it can be explained astrologically (as a bonus, most of my Libra--including sun, Mercury, Pluto--and Sag placements are also on the Scorpio cusp, and I also have a natal Scorpio Jupiter).

There were many ways I did this. Sometimes it was just asking questions that bothered many people for various reasons, and I had no idea that it would bother them. Sometimes I was just messing with them. If someone gave me a hard time, I was willing to do so right back, and I even turned interrogations around against school faculty (they should be glad I was just a kid, because I'd have destroyed their arguments & accusations--and possibly cost a couple of them or so their jobs--if I knew then what I know now). I once even argued a teacher in class like a lawyer using books I'd checked out from the public and school library (which the teacher, who was unqualified to teach his subject, did not appreciate).

As an adult, I learned to moderate my speech more and more. Most people don't mean it when they say they want the truth or someone real, what they mean is they want someone who parrots them and thus doesn't make them unsure of anything. I can actually scare people just by knowing things, so I generally hide my knowledge now. Sometimes I do it because I don't think they can handle it, and other times because it's just not worth the headache (and how it can affect my livelihood, which then affects the quality of life of others who depend on it). I don't see what's so scary about it, but I now recognize that (some have literally said it was scary). Every once in awhile I forget myself and talk too freely with someone that I haven't vetted yet for full access to my thoughts, but it's rare (and usually my Sag sense of humor is involved--especially when someone is practically begging me to share).

I used to wash clothes for extra money and a woman ripped me off. She later came by and said she'd give me another chance, and I calmly but firmly refused to wash her clothes. She demanded to know why and I calmly said in a matter-of-fact way, "First time shame on you. Second time, shame on me." She flipped out and then started a vicious rumor campaign against me, but luckily our respective reputations protected me...yet I also knew that if too many did that then people would start to wonder if there was fire where there was smoke, so in the future if someone burned me and I refused to do more business with them then I'd invent a face saving excuse for them, or make it so that they refused (predicting an absurd amount of time to get the job done at an absurd price, for example).

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posted May 28, 2016 03:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DualGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Pisces Plutonian:
Do you have a Mars - Mercury aspect

Mercury in Gemini Conjunct Mars.

I'm so sick and tired of st*pid people, so I say what comes out of my mouth.

I live in Ottawa, its a government town its full of complacent, bureaucratic, lack of vision stupid people.

Trust me I can speak of incompetence. What do you make of when a CS-4, one of the higher ranking managers walks pass your desk into the print room trying to print a document and realizes theres no ink.

But, beside her our dozens of wooden pallets containing the wrong ink stacked all the way to the celling. Thats at least a $1000+ wasted and theres more....

She mutters, "they don't know how to order" does nothing and heads back in the other direction to a print room on another floor.

Then the next week a delivery man from office depot comes in to deliver...... guess what more of the same wrong ink, lol.

Turns out the person in charge of supplies is on vacation. You would think they would have cleared that before they left.

Plus, I'm a Gem sun and I'm tired of dealing with these types of people !!!. I almost want to Pull my Hair out.

A Cancer or Taurus could endure this kind of environment, but not the more active or lively signs.

Just 1yr left and I'm an engineer and can finally leave this place.

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Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer

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posted May 28, 2016 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ann7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Definitely Sag placements - Possibly Jupiter in the 3rd or tenth. Sometimes this can make the person speak before they think but this also makes the person have a sort of code of ethics.

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posted May 28, 2016 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sagitarrius planets I think

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posted May 28, 2016 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Yes, your Mercury has a Mars subtone as it's in the 1st house. I think a Martian Mercury and a prominent Jupiter or Sag would do it. We want them well aspected for pure honesty which the native is in control of.

If there are stress aspects related to Uranus... or say South Node in Sagittarius... some 'malefic' or challenging tone, say Saturn and Mercury involved and Mars also... then we might have issues with over-sharing which is hurtful, and bluntness stemming from deep personal turmoil, exploding after repression... this is honesty which can be harmful.

I am honest to a fault but not usually blunt or rude with it (not a lot of Sag in me other than Uranus and Sun/Moin midpoint... oh and progressed Sun. Whatever--maybe that explains it partly though!). I can be really mean but have largely curbed this in myself (I have Saturn in Capricorn square Mars in Aries, creates issues with repression/explosion).

I have Scorpio rising, Mercury-Pluto in the 1st, Sun in 1st, and the dispositor of all these is Mars in Aries in the 5th. So all these planets for me have a 1st house/5th house, Aries/Scorpio/Leo, Mars-Mars-MARS subtone.. because of Mars being the final dispositor in Aries.... Mars and Aries are about courage, in their purest manifestation they give the person the ability to defend the whole group or tribe, to go to war, to die even for whatever is behind that driving force being felt... I'm personally very willing to lay it all on the line for what I perceive as the purest truth I can muster.

And I agree with you that this is also certainly a function of Jupiter, who is very committed indeed to speaking exactly that which is high minded and integral. A well placed or dignified Saturn can help with this too...

My Jupiter is in Gemini conjunct my vertex and sextile my Mars. It is quincunx my ascendant.

Overall I think a Martian Mercury and a highlighted Jupiter are both good basic indicators of this. Wouldn't expect afflictions from Neptune unless they're just enough to cloud your vision of what's appropriate in that moment because you don't feel the separation between yourself and the other very clearly.


Brilliantly said!

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posted May 28, 2016 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for frankie2912     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am like this too. Mercury in Sagittarius (and my moon, too)...Sag placements can make for big mouths and blunt honesty. I tend to be too open. Revealing too much about myself. I also tend to boast, exaggerate, and can be really vulgar, rude, and sarcastic if I want to be.

Mercury square Mars and Jupiter
Mercury conjunct Uranus

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posted May 28, 2016 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree about Sag.
Aries also.

You've told me that I can be little, rough with words.
Mars conjunct Mercury, Jupiter trine both. Sag 3rd house. I think these are major contributors.
I don't have an issue with keeping my mouth shut, it's just a matter of when I open it (or type). It just comes out. Even when I'm joking around, I'll say something and then suddenly start looking around at the people around me, like, "Uh-oh. Did I take that too far?"

For you, well have you narrowed down your rising?
Either way, you know I think people underestimate Libra. They can be some blunt, honest people, depending on what's in their chart. I've known quite a few with some fire in their chart and they had some bite.

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posted May 28, 2016 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mercury in Sagittarius!

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