posted June 02, 2016 11:42 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I have Sun sq. Pluto. Someone mentioned getting older. Yes after your first and then second Saturn return and you get older and accept Saturn, things will get easier.

Maybe look for easy aspects from Uranus to a personal planet, and focus on giving that aspect an actual release/expression/voice. People will say learn what Pluto wants to teach you. Yeah, you want to do that. It takes paying attention and it takes time. In the meantime, anything can happen when Pluto is squaring your insides I know. But in addition to Pluto sq. Sun, I have Uranus trine Sun, and this is where and how a lot of my crazy energy got released when I was younger. Something about my Pluto squares made me feel caged (by my own issues). And I felt totally nuts when I felt caged...and its all in my head. At some point I just started giving myself a lot of personal space. I did what I needed to do, my way, and without bothering anyone in order to prevent and manage flare ups from Pluto squares to my personals. I still fell victim to them (or me)- they just seems more bearable channeling all my energy. But Saturn is the real cure.

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My daughter only has Uranus square asc and Uranus square Jupiter. Uranus in the 3rd. What do we do with that?

posted June 03, 2016 08:48 AM            

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One of the most prominent characteristics of these aspects is the tendency to be intensely dissatisfied with their personal accomplishments and expressions of self. These people put a lot of pressure on themselves regarding their own endeavors. A child, for example, with a challenging Sun-Pluto aspect may work hard at a piece of artwork, decide it’s not right, destroy it, and start all over again. This same child will be especially disturbed if they feel people are watching as they create their artwork. This is a simple example, but it’s quite descriptive of the tendency for these people to be dissatisfied with their creative self-expressions, and to want to hide their expressions from others until they feel the output is “right”. This is largely due to a perceived inability to express or reveal their true personalities to others. They experience a simultaneous urge to express themselves and to hide themselves.

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posted June 03, 2016 10:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Krista_Kay_1993:
I would figure SATURN is the one that plays into making people perfectionist not PLUTO I think people get the two confused.

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With sun square Pluto, the idea is that Pluto doesn't like the sun.

posted June 03, 2016 11:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Krista_Kay_1993:
Well that's strange bc I read it's the other way around! pluto may have the "power" but really likes the sun and compliments them and tries to control them

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That sounds more like sun/Pluto synastry.

posted June 03, 2016 12:37 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
^^^^thats why I like you :-0

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Girl, I luh you too 😘

But for real Uranus saves the friggin day in my chart. I'll take Uranus's square to my Asc any day for its trines to my Sun and Venus which also receive squares from Pluto.

And then Uranus opposes my Moon. I always felt good about that even though its an opposition...

posted June 03, 2016 12:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Koniucha:
My daughter only has Uranus square asc and Uranus square Jupiter. Uranus in the 3rd. What do we do with that?

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posted June 03, 2016 12:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
[QUOTE]One of the most prominent characteristics of these aspects is the tendency to be intensely dissatisfied with their personal accomplishments and expressions of self. These people put a lot of pressure on themselves regarding their own endeavors. A child, for example, with a challenging Sun-Pluto aspect may work hard at a piece of artwork, decide it’s not right, destroy it, and start all over again. This same child will be especially disturbed if they feel people are watching as they create their artwork. This is a simple example, but it’s quite descriptive of the tendency for these people to be dissatisfied with their creative self-expressions, and to want to hide their expressions from others until they feel the output is “right”. This is largely due to a perceived inability to express or reveal their true personalities to others. They experience a simultaneous urge to express themselves and to hide themselves.

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Anyway, I guess my point is, we can become very evolved with all this merciless beating from Pluto, but recognizing our accomplishments and feeling happy about it may be the hardest thing. The only way I really escape the cycle is by switching into a more spiritual orientation. [/QUOTE]

posted June 04, 2016 09:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
[QUOTE]One of the most prominent characteristics of these aspects is the tendency to be intensely dissatisfied with their personal accomplishments and expressions of self. These people put a lot of pressure on themselves regarding their own endeavors. A child, for example, with a challenging Sun-Pluto aspect may work hard at a piece of artwork, decide it’s not right, destroy it, and start all over again. This same child will be especially disturbed if they feel people are watching as they create their artwork. This is a simple example, but it’s quite descriptive of the tendency for these people to be dissatisfied with their creative self-expressions, and to want to hide their expressions from others until they feel the output is “right”. This is largely due to a perceived inability to express or reveal their true personalities to others. They experience a simultaneous urge to express themselves and to hide themselves.

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When I was small I was like this. I mean I don't remember feeling like they describe the person feels. I remember feeling something else, but the results of these feelings played out between me and my mother. One of her favorite stories is how when I was a toddler I loved playing with blocks and building things. I'd be really into it, but then Id notice her watching me. At that point I would go into a wild fit of rage and throw my block at her. Any other time I was cool with moms . When I was a teen and she'd tell this story (all the time), I remember thinking, mhmm sounds totally possible, I like to.... My mom is HEAVY Cancer. Outta control Cancer, and all her planets fall in my 12th house. That's just too much automatic merging for me who is a Cancer too. I'm born a day after she is, so her Sun/Uranus is conjunct my Sun. Her Cancer planets fall in her own 8th house so in addition to the "your planets are in my 12th house kind of irritating me" feeling she can sometimes give me (less often as time has passed), she also has quite a bit of ancestral baggage related to occult knowledge. She could be quite a turn off in the early days...maybe I was picking up on that...

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You know it can make a person very awkward.

But all the perfectionism can pay off. Even though art was difficult for me, I was considered good at it, voted Most Artistic in my high school. Yet I felt like my classmates just suffered from a lack of good taste. This vein of my life story, it goes on and on...people thinking I'm artistic and me wanting to say, "Please don't think that until I've made something worth the compliment."

My friend with a Cap sun square Pluto...her sister calls her "Miss Perfect" because she honestly is. Maybe I'm biased, just a little. But it's heartbreaking because she is so pretty it's intimidating and yet very flaw-conscious and humble. If she sends me pictures of her house, it's like a photo shoot for a magazine. And I'm sure she is still looking at it thinking she could have gotten the shadows to fall a little more aesthetically. Her moon is conjunct Pluto though.

Anyway, I guess my point is, we can become very evolved with all this merciless beating from Pluto, but recognizing our accomplishments and feeling happy about it may be the hardest thing. The only way I really escape the cycle is by switching into a more spiritual orientation.

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Lol. Just spent 5 minutes trying to start this new sentence about perfectionism. I'm thinking yeah, I'm manic sometimes. Sometimes I am off my rocker obsessive about what I'm doing, but then I couldn't type, "I'm a perfectionist", because in the back of mind I was thinking well if you were a perfectionist then wouldn't things be perfect??? Why are they never perfect!??!?

posted June 04, 2016 09:37 PM            

I'm also a fellow Leo Sun Square Pluto.
And Leo Sun is in the 8th H to top it off. To me the aspect screams "power struggles" especially with the Leo - Scorpio (fixed) square.

I have issues with people in authority. I always feel constricted by mangers and constantly am paranoid that people are watching me. And I don't trust people in general. And not trusting people is a newer development. I used to be more trusting of people, to the point of being gullible. I've got Pisces moon - which a sucker for a good sob story.

Anyways, can't say I'm bipolar. But I definitely come off as secretive and stand offish. People usually leave me alone and I need a lot of space and time to myself.

posted June 05, 2016 11:48 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Girl, I luh you too 😘

But for real Uranus saves the friggin day in my chart. I'll take Uranus's square to my Asc any day for its trines to my Sun and Venus which also receive squares from Pluto.

And then Uranus opposes my Moon. I always felt good about that even though its an opposition...

Something interesting. I've been meaning to comment on your 4th house 3rd house (neighborhood) thread because that perspective is awesome! To me my Scorpio 4th house represents my mom (my IC is conjunct her AC), and my ancestry through her line, and also myself within and at home...It's an intense house. However, Uranus saves us both from "curses" (my uncle used to say), and fears, and out of control passions and reactions. Uranus saves us both by offering unique alternatives to negative trends in our family. This is seen in our life choices and [b]literally through transits. Pluto was in Libra in my 3rd house when I was born in 79. From 79 to 88/89, I think, it entered my Scorpio 4th house and made a conjunction with my natal Uranus in 4th house Scorpio. That year 88/89 (I can't remember for sure. I'd done the research for one of Koho's threads) my mother made a big move. She literally moved physically from one place to another, and this place changed all of our lives. To me this is the exact time and date when I move out of the pressure and baggage of my Scorpio 4th house, as it was constructed by my mother (through no fault of her own), and am released into my Libra 3rd house: my neighborhood, early education, playmates...This liberation happened during trPluto conjunct my beautiful, beloved nUranus[/B]

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that is such an interesting analysis. Transits through the 4th really indicate moving.

posted June 05, 2016 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Lol at "what do we do with that". That's how I talk. I was thinking we can look at a few things. I don't want to get too far off topic, but I think we should find it's all related. On the other thread about Moon and Nodes you mentioned your daughter has a Moon/NN conjunction. I believe the nodal axis can give directions on how to work with what we are observing in the chart. I had a question for you which I'll ask on the other thread much later today.

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Yeah...

Looking at my daughters chart has made me lose my mind more than a few times.