posted June 25, 2016 03:11 PM            

For example, my trinity (Sun, Moon and ASC) are all in masculine signs.

I've always had more tomboy tendencies as a kid, and my mentality has been very logical and I suppose if one wants to label it, I think more like a 'man'.

But as I'm growing older, I've been wanting to embrace my femininity, not b/c I'm trying to change who I am but b/c I realized I am lacking this energy (I'm also a water singleton)

So I've been trying to cultivate feminine qualities, such as using my intuition more.

posted June 25, 2016 03:31 PM            

I consider myself fairly well balanced, but a bit towards the introverted side, and slightly to the feminine side for a guy. Not effeminate in the outward sense, but more given to intuitive approaches, internal guidance, body-orientation. This would seem obvious by my birth chart heavy in earth.

However my birth chart holds clues as to how to balance the scales: I have Asc 17 Virgo applying to Pluto 25 Virgo, and Mars [21N55] parallel MC [22N46]. Contained inner determination (Pluto) with actions aimed at accomplishing (Mars-MC).

If you can allow for reincarnation, then this question takes on a different tone, which comes from changes in soul's choice of gender from time-to-time, and that the adjustment can be a challenge when one has been male for at least a few lifetimes, then switches to female or vice versa.

All of it comes down to a balance in our souls, which is why I appreciate your question.

posted June 25, 2016 07:25 PM            

I've had 3 astro-twins, all female, and 2 of the girls (including one just born 8 hours later, IIRC) were very feminine while I was not. I mostly raised myself on media in which the "internal make-up and personality" as you put it between genders didn't exist, and therefore didn't exist in me (being forced to play with boys in my neighborhood as the girls shunned me for a few developmental years also nurtured the "masculine internal traits"), because I didn't get the usual gender software (that is, illusions of gender) that most girls did.

A Sag boy who also learned to retreat into the same kind of media, we even first met at the school library while looking in the same book section for our choice of books, as he was also mentally escaping his terrible home and school life--thus minimizing gender software from other places outside our choice of media--was also different, and he and I got along really well.

Of the other astro-twin not feminine, she also had a very different media (though very different from mine) and she was just determined to be her own person no matter what. I was only close to 1 astro-twin who was feminine and she raised herself on the usual (and I could add more besides that, such as her dad's church that emphasized what women were like, in their faith, and ETA: she also had bigger breasts, and got them early, which would also encourage others to see her as a sexual object that affected her as a child, and would discourage the athletic hobbies I engaged in).

What that means is that it wasn't our natal charts that did it. Despite the very near similarities, we could be more masculine or feminine, both internally and how we presented ourselves. That said, all of us, including the feminine ones, could be assertive (nice Sag stellium, including the Mars-Uranus bit, which Pluto was also transiting for us at the time), and though I think most astrologers would be initially surprised that we were all born within 3 days (and less than one day) from each other, we all did still fit our chart, just with a different emphasis (and also different house energies). Nevertheless, our upbringing (and software for our developing brains) was much more decisive in what traits we expressed overall.

posted June 25, 2016 07:25 PM            

I've heard women say the most ridiculous things and claim it was their intuition that was "almost never wrong." Men, too, like one landlord who said something really stupid with authority, claiming it was his "detective's intuition," that told him I was the one jimmying open the laundry machines to steal the coins, which logically did not follow (it was also wrong), which is why other men mocked him saying that his "intuition" was why he wasn't a detective anymore. (Ironically, the people--male and female--I've noticed with incredible intuition, sometimes to the point that I think of them as at least partially psychic, don't talk about their intuition directly.)

posted June 25, 2016 08:25 PM            

So you say "Contained inner determination (Pluto) with actions aimed at accomplishing (Mars-MC)." How has this manifested in your life and do you have examples of how this plays out in your own life?

How can I check in my own chart? Are you looking an aspects made to the ASC?

posted June 25, 2016 11:19 PM            

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Kannon McAfee:
I'm glad you brought up reincarnation b/c that's such a key factor to all of this. Personally I do believe in it so perhaps I could have been male in my past lives.

So you say "Contained inner determination (Pluto) with actions aimed at accomplishing (Mars-MC)." How has this manifested in your life and do you have examples of how this plays out in your own life?

How can I check in my own chart? Are you looking an aspects made to the ASC?

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I've had health issues most of my life relating to exhaustion, burnout, glandular imbalances, depression, etc. So I've been challenged to find solutions myself (natural medicine) and not give up when others - especially modern medicine - had no answers or made things even worse. That is the Pluto/Asc part: developing an inner core of strength and ability to rejuvenate.

Mars/MC has been more about staying in motion, remaining communicative even if not physically vigorous; developing my own aims and ambitions particularly related to writing, and developing the desire to debate ideas, utilize satire, sarcasm, wordplay -- and keeping my forward-leaning efforts flexible.

Together, these have helped me develop the strength of initiative and staying on course with 'me' even if no one understands what I need or why things are different for me.

Toughness, or at least persistence.

posted June 26, 2016 01:20 AM            

@pixiejane... i think that whether one is female or male bodied has little to do with whether one has accurate abilities to intuit.... and the wherewithal and self possession to then act on that intuition. You're right that it would be a different world if people did so more of the time. We are suffering from a collective yin vacuity, a cultural shaming of the feminine which has been ongoing for a long time. Small wonder the world is in shambles.

Proper intuition never grasps... it receives. Fluidly. It is yin.

some women have a yin vacuity. Many men do as well. If they think they're intuiting things when they're merely grasping and casting for answers... they're not. Intuition receives. There's no effort to it...

cultivating yin is important for everybody... especially in a world which so maligns femininity... we just learn to receive and to honour receptivity.

I myself have a long standing yin vacuity which causes significant health problems... i have been working on being receptive... well... working on not working so hard!

The left side of the body is yin; the right, yang.

An astrologer I respect... can't recall which one at the moment but she's a published author whose voice is in my head, whoever she is... she says that the cure for Mars and Saturn afflictions/their malefic influence in our lives and charts--lies in the cultivation of our Moon and Venus. Our mothering. Our loving. The antidote to force is softeness. The antidote to judgment is the unconditional love and nurturing of the mother.

These are excellent starting points for anybody looking to explore this wonderful topic!

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posted June 26, 2016 01:43 AM            

But anyway there's still a lot of room for nuance in our existence and Moon Venus are great ones to cultivate--just as raw energies, never mind their sign placement in your tropical chart for a moment... we exist with them ona multi dimensional multi factorial level. And we can and must of course work c with them in the context of their sign placement natally to an extent but also recognize that by progression the Moon especially gives us the opportunity to access every possible angle and aspect within our whole chart (and every dimension of our possible emotional experience) as it progresses around our chart over a 28 year period... thence giving us the opportunity to feel different moon signs...

Would be curious whether your Moon has recently entered a yin sign or whether something else has progressed in your chart to give you more feminine sign placements, OP...

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posted June 26, 2016 04:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I've had health issues most of my life relating to exhaustion, burnout, glandular imbalances, depression, etc. So I've been challenged to find solutions myself (natural medicine) and not give up when others - especially modern medicine - had no answers or made things even worse. That is the Pluto/Asc part: developing an inner core of strength and ability to rejuvenate.

Mars/MC has been more about staying in motion, remaining communicative even if not physically vigorous; developing my own aims and ambitions particularly related to writing, and developing the desire to debate ideas, utilize satire, sarcasm, wordplay -- and keeping my forward-leaning efforts flexible.

Together, these have helped me develop the strength of initiative and staying on course with 'me' even if no one understands what I need or why things are different for me.

Toughness, or at least persistence.

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Fascinating. Yeah I'm probably not at your level yet but I've developed awareness about both my masculine and feminine sides and so far this was a big first step for me.

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:

But anyway there's still a lot of room for nuance in our existence and Moon Venus are great ones to cultivate--just as raw energies, never mind their sign placement in your tropical chart for a moment... we exist with them ona multi dimensional multi factorial level. And we can and must of course work c with them in the context of their sign placement natally to an extent but also recognize that by progression the Moon especially gives us the opportunity to access every possible angle and aspect within our whole chart (and every dimension of our possible emotional experience) as it progresses around our chart over a 28 year period... thence giving us the opportunity to feel different moon signs...

Would be curious whether your Moon has recently entered a yin sign or whether something else has progressed in your chart to give you more feminine sign placements, OP...

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I'm still 25 so would it be too early for my moon to have progressed?

posted June 26, 2016 12:12 PM            

Use your masculine energy in your career, NOT in your relationships (ANY relationships) with men.

How to be more feminine?

posted June 26, 2016 01:44 PM            

you're so great... doing so great..

@aquagembaby

yes your moon progresses about one degree every month of your life. So if you're 25 you've almost experienced a whole cycle of your moon around your chart. Look at your Progressed Chart on astro.com, you'll see where all your planets are at... it's really interesting to see where planets are progressing into different signsespecially.

posted June 26, 2016 02:51 PM            

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I struggle with this as well for some reason. Although I can draw theories I haven't entirely fixed the problem yet. On the other hand I have become more aware of how people in general hate on anything "feminine." This has been a hard realization for me, because I contribute to that hatred by not being comfortable with my emotions and not being very feminine myself.

For years I hated the thought of being stereotyped as the "weaker" sex just for being a female. I was told in 5th grade by another female that I shouldn't like a certain anime series since it was for boys. I was a very passive kid and I eventually grew up hating that I took everyone's words as gospel and that I allowed myself to be bullied. No one told me how to deal with bullies and I became more withdrawn into my head over time. Not once did I stand up for myself. I just kept getting hurt and not saying a single word about it. Eventually I stopped knowing my own emotions even though I still had them.

Nowadays I am growing more appreciative of feminine energies, yet I'm still not fully comfortable with them. I don't mind if someone else is feminine, but I cannot for the life of me allow myself to be emotional or feminine. This is problematic considering I am giving into society's idea of the feminine being "weaker." While I know this I have not yet become comfortable with my own feminine side due to past experiences.

Females, however capable they are, have the right to express their natural feminine qualities without fear they are weaker for it. In order to balance masculine/feminine energies you have to undo the idea that feminine is "weaker."

There is, of course, a time and a place to be feminine and a time and a place to be masculine, but you'll never want to be feminine unless you can stop thinking it makes you weak.

Try some activities that are labeled as feminine and explore how you feel about them and why. It may help to start a journal since this part is important. You have to feel things. A big part of the feminine identity is having emotions and expressing them. Do something creative more often and see what you can discover about how society's views of the feminine have greatly affected your emotional expression and creativity. Over time you will become more comfortable with your feminine side.

Use feminine energy to nurture your body. Basically, make yourself feel good. Eat some cookies, get a massage, and just let things feel amazing instead of thinking with your brain. Don't go overboard. Just nurture your feeling side to get in touch with your feminine energy. Feminine energy is largely about how things feel. If something feels bad, don't rationalize it. Just focus on your feelings and give them more credit.

I'm personally a writer of fiction so I've been working on my feminine qualities through more feminine characters. I've especially been exploring a way that feminine qualities can be empowering to a female and how destructive some of society's ideas of the female ideal are.

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posted June 26, 2016 03:59 PM            

Faith: I relate to your story a lot, even though I didn't grow up the same circumstances. Dealing with unwarranted male energy is difficult, especially when I was younger. But now I just don't care anymore and part of it was just maturing and being comfortable with myself. Like you, I also am working towards embodying both energies.

yungang_grotto: Yeah you were right. Natally I have Moon in Gemini (28 degrees) but now it's still Moon in Gemini but 1 degree

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This has been a hard realization for me, because I contribute to that hatred by not being comfortable with my emotions and not being very feminine myself.

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posted June 26, 2016 04:17 PM            

... yeah... this makes me think of the disrespect i get for enduring abusive relationships when maybe it actually has a lot to do with my feminine nature accepting what I'm given... I know that sounds "bad"--but it's a form of strength and people can't see it... to lay waste to a woman's character for having allowed herself to be walked on is "victim blaming" if anything is.. simply being a vessel and receiving a bunch of toxic stuff... and then getting blamed for it.

Unconditional love and mother love do not walk away when somebody is mean or bad or horrible. They accept and forgive and welcome again and again. This whole concept has been almost completely lost by our individualistic mysoginistic society where punishment and ostracization are people's go-to methods for dealing with conflict and dissent.

You're weak if you get raped. You're weak if you're passive. It is all so unfair and untrue.. hard for me to articulate right now...

posted June 27, 2016 12:17 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
If you want to develop actual intuition more, then there is a meditation that has worked for me and others (my own ability to perceive intuitively was greatly increased when I did this regularly for at least 20 minutes each time). It can also be refreshing like a nap.

It's a type of meditation that blocks out all thoughts, with no creative visualizations (though it might be helpful to imagine going up or down some stairs, mountain, or whatever to a peaceful place before actually starting). Just focus on a phrase, a symbol, and/or your own breathing ( rhythmic breathing works). Ideally, you'll reach a state in which you lose all awareness of yourself (other than someone breathing), but it takes practice. Time also becomes meaningless in this altered consciousness, so setting a timer is advised (keep you from doing it too long, and also to avoid the temptation to keep checking how much time has passed). It typically takes awhile before you can manage such a "blank state" for several minutes, but it's worth it when you can (it just struck me now how much I've missed that).

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posted June 27, 2016 01:16 AM            

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Originally posted by aquagembaby:
Wow this is true and I never thought of it this way. Females need to start walking the talk. But do you think it's possible that a woman may just be more 'masculine' in nature but be totally happy and comfortable with it? Or do you think femininity has been condemned so much that females have been somewhat forced to be happy w/ identifying w/ their masculine side in order to fit in? Thanks!

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posted June 27, 2016 01:57 AM            

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Gemini Moon

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For what it's worth, I thought I'd point out that my mom is very feminine...though not in a sweet way (in her youth she bordered on femme fatale territory). She has Scorpio sun & Venus, Leo ASC and Mars...and Gemini moon. Her mind was always racing (seemed so to me, though I don't think she was so talkative with anyone other than me, which shouldn't be taken to mean that we were close), but no one doubted her femininity (though her virtue was quite another matter).

The point being, that despite having a "masculine air" moon, she could pull femininity off well. The Leo was masculine as well, but that helped her show off, and devote a lot of time to her appearance (and she was once a professional model).

posted June 29, 2016 02:52 AM            

All the below is from the book, and I've emphasized a part in bold that goes into the specific bit:

I couldn't stop thinking about the body, what a hard fact it was. That philosopher who said we think, therefore we are, should have spent an hour in a maternity ward of Waite Memorial Hospital. He'd have had to change his whole philosophy.

The mind was so thin, barely a spiderweb, with all its fine thoughts, aspirations, and beliefs in its own importance. Watch how easily it unravels, evaporates under the first lick of pain. Gasping on the bed, Yvonne bordered on the unrecognizable, disintegrating into a ripe collection of nerves, fibers, sacs, and waters and the ancient clock in the blood. Compared to the eternal body, the individual was a smoke, a cloud. The body was the only reality. I hurt, therefore I am.

The nurse came in, looked up at th monitor, checked Yvonne's contractions, blood pressure, her movements crisp and authoritative. The last shift we'd had Connie Hwang, we'd trusted her, she smiled and touched Yvonne gently with her plump hands. But this one, Melinda Meek, snapped at Yvonne for whining. "You'll be fine," she said. "You've done this before." She scared me with her efficiency, her bony fingers. I could tell she knew we were foster children, that Yvonne wouldn't keep the baby. She'd already decided we were irresponsible and deserved every bit of our suffering. I could see her as a correctional officer. Now I wished my mother was here. She would know how to get rid of Melinda Meek. Even in transition she would spit in Melinda's stingy face, threaten to strangle her in the cord of the fetal monitor.

"It hurts," Yvonne said.

"Nobody said it was a picnic," Melinda said. "You've got to breathe."

Yvonne tried, gasped and blew, she wanted everyone to like her, even this sour-faced nurse.

"Can't you just give her something?" I said.

"She'd doing fine," Melinda said crisply, her triangular eyes a veiled threat.

"Cheap-ass ************* ," the woman said on the other side of the white shower curtains. "Don't give the poor people no damn drugs."

"Please," Yvonne said, clutching at Melinda's white jacket. "I beg of you."

The nurse efficiently peeled back Yvonne's hand, patted it firmly onto her belly. "You're already eight centimeters. It's almost over."

Yvonne sobbed softly, rhythmically, hopelessly, too tired to even cry. I rubbed her stomach.

Nobody ever talked about what a struggle this all was. I could see why women die in childbirth. They didn't catch some kind of microbe, or even hemorrhage. They just gave up. They stopped caring whether or not the baby came. They knew if they didn't die, they'd be going through it again the next year, and the next. I could understand how a woman might just stop trying, like a tired swimmer, let her head go under, the water fill her lungs. I slowly massaged Yvonne's neck, her shoulders, I wouldn't let her go under. She sucked ice through threadbare white terry. If my mother were here, she'd have made Melinda Meek cough up the drugs, sure enough.

"Mamacita, ay," Yvonne wailed.

I didn't know why she would call for her mother. She hated her mother. She hadn't seen her in six years, since the day she locked Yvonne and her brothers and sisters in their apartment in Burbank to go out and party, and never came back. Yvonne said she let her boyfriends run a train on her when she was eleven. I didn't even know what that meant. Gang bang, she said. And still she called out, Mama.

It wasn't just Yvonne. All down the ward, they called for their mothers. Mommy, ma, mom, mama. Even with husbands at their sides, they called out for mama. Nine hours ago, when we came in, a woman with a voice like a lye bath alternately screamed at her husband and called for her mother. A grown woman sobbing like a child. Mommy....I was embarrassed for her. Now I knew better.

I held on to Yvonne's hands, and I imagined my mother, seventeen years ago, giving birth to me. Did she call for her mother? I imagined her screaming at my father, calling him worthless, a liar, useless, until he went out for a beer, leaving her alone with the landlady on a cold November morning. She had me at home, she'd never liked doctors. I could imagine how her screams and curses must have pierced the quiet of the walk street in Venice Beach, startling a kid going by on a skateboard, while the landlady smoked hash and rifled her purse. But did she call out, Mami, help me?

I thought of her mother, the one picture I had, the little I knew. Karin Thorvald, who may or may not have been a distant relation of King Olaf of Norway, classical actress and drunk, who could recite Shakespear by heard while feeding the chickens and who drowned in the cow pond when my mother was thirteen. I couldn't imagine her calling out for anyone.

But then I realized, they didn't mean their own mothers. Not those weak women, those victims. Drug addicts, shopaholics, cookie bakers. They didn't mean the women who let them down, who failed to help them into womanhood, women who let their boyfriends run a train on them. Bingers and purgers, women smiling into mirrors, women in girdles, women on bar stools. Not those women watching TV while they made dinner, women who dyed their hair blond behind closed doors trying to look twenty-three. They didn't mean the mothers washing dishes wishing they'd never married, the ones in the ER, saying they fell down the stairs, not the ones in prison saying loneliness is the human condition, get used to it.

They wanted the real mother, the blood mother, the great womb, mother of fierce compassion, a woman large enough to hold all the pain, to carry it away. What we needed was someone who bled, someone deep and rich as a field, a wide-hipped mother, awesome, immense, women like huge soft couches, mothers coursing with blood, mothers big enough, wide enough, for us to hide in, to sink down to the bottom of, mothers who would breathe for us when we could not breathe anymore, who would fight for us, who would kill for us, die for us.

Yvonne was sitting up, holding her breath, eyes bulging out. It was the thing she should not do.

"Breathe," I said in her ear. "Please, Yvonne, try."

She tried to breathe, a couple of shallow inhalations, but it hurt too much. She flopped back down on the narrow bed, too tired to go on. All she could do was grip my hand and cry. And I thought of the way the baby was linked to her, as she was linked to her mother, and her mother, and all the way back, inside and inside, knit into a chain of disaster that brought her to this bed, this day. And not only her. I wondered what my own inheritance was going to be.

posted June 29, 2016 03:00 AM            

This goes to about the 10 minute mark (thus about 3 minutes long).

Also, posted a week ago (as of this time) from someone who believes that women should be passive and all that:

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omen who are comfortable with their identity fantacize about being princesses and expected to be treated well by their man.

insecure, father-less and abused women cut their hair short, pretend to be men, and lashout at anything that's feminine. They call themselves FeminISIS

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I only point that out as a balance to believing that it's misogynistic to say women can be empowered without just accepting all in unconditional love.