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Topic: Saturn sq Asc
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Dancing Maenad
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From: The Harvest
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posted June 25, 2016 05:12 PM
  
Hey there! So, I want to ask those who have Saturn sq Ascendant if they have also noticed troubles in their relationships, since Sat is also square the DC (this one dawned on me quite late lol). I have a wide square and never married though I am in my mid-30s. Been engaged twice. So, in my case, it definitely influenced my love life, but I looked elsewhere when I tried to explain why I had such a hard time with relationships. I am starting to think this aspect also had a word to say in it. Blocks, delays, lots of frustration, loneliness. Sounds a lot like Saturn. :/ So, how about you guys? IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted June 25, 2016 06:18 PM
yes, Saturn squaring the descendant will do that. But keep in mind and I sound like a robot saying this over and over, Saturn delays, it does not forever deny. You are probably one of those people who will get married late in life. IP: Logged |
vertiver
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posted June 25, 2016 09:17 PM
I can relate. I don't have the same aspect - but I have Saturn in the 1st H opposite Venus in 7th H. As I've gotten older and nearing my Saturn return (in 6 months) and experiencing T. Saturn conjunct ASC - I've realized I don't need to be in a relationship and I may not be in one again for a while. I ended a long term relationship about 7 months ago - and it has been a relief.
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Lucia23
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posted June 25, 2016 09:47 PM
That makes sense, re Saturn squaring the DSC.I have Saturn-Moon conjunction in the 7th. I'm never married (early 40s). Relationship troubles and misery. Also my Saturn-Moon-DC are in Cancer and my Venus is also Cancer, and the men I've been serious with never have any water in their charts except Saturn. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted June 26, 2016 05:11 AM
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Originally posted by Belage:
yes, Saturn squaring the descendant will do that. But keep in mind and I sound like a robot saying this over and over, Saturn delays, it does not forever deny. You are probably one of those people who will get married late in life.
Maybe, maybe not. Currently marriage is no longer a priority, which is a relief. I'm having t-Uranus square my Asc/DC axis, so that's probably a good idea, staying away from the city hall lol. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted June 26, 2016 05:12 AM
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Originally posted by vertiver:
I can relate. I don't have the same aspect - but I have Saturn in the 1st H opposite Venus in 7th H. As I've gotten older and nearing my Saturn return (in 6 months) and experiencing T. Saturn conjunct ASC - I've realized I don't need to be in a relationship and I may not be in one again for a while. I ended a long term relationship about 7 months ago - and it has been a relief.
I can relate. Breakups usually feel like a relief to me too. Not all, but most. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted June 26, 2016 05:13 AM
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Originally posted by Lucia23:
That makes sense, re Saturn squaring the DSC.I have Saturn-Moon conjunction in the 7th. I'm never married (early 40s). Relationship troubles and misery. Also my Saturn-Moon-DC are in Cancer and my Venus is also Cancer, and the men I've been serious with never have any water in their charts except Saturn.
My DC is in Cancer, I totally get it. :/ IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted June 26, 2016 08:44 AM
I have Saturn conj. Asc square Venus, so I feel my experience may be relevant here.I really struggled to commit up until my Saturn return, I was afraid of being trapped, or limited by relationships and other people's needs and/or manipulations. I have been in a co-habiting, committed relationship now for nearly 5 years, that began right on my Saturn return!
I am with someone who understands the fear of annihilation, as he too, had the same fear and overcame it before her met me (he is 9 years older), so I guess I have learned within his wise handling of our relationship. We still have moments of fear and regression, but the innate understanding of this deep fear has pulled us through so far. And as for Saturn causing barrenness, despite my fears, I had 2 children (both within relationships) by the age of 22. However, the relationships did not last due to my feeling of being suffocated by the partner. So, I was unable to create the "normal" family.
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Aries23Degrees
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From: South Africa
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posted June 26, 2016 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Hey there! So, I want to ask those who have Saturn sq Ascendant if they have also noticed troubles in their relationships, since Sat is also square the DC (this one dawned on me quite late lol). I have a wide square and never married though I am in my mid-30s. Been engaged twice. So, in my case, it definitely influenced my love life, but I looked elsewhere when I tried to explain why I had such a hard time with relationships. I am starting to think this aspect also had a word to say in it. Blocks, delays, lots of frustration, loneliness. Sounds a lot like Saturn. :/ So, how about you guys?
I would like to see your chart. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted June 26, 2016 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I would like to see your chart.
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sarahhm
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posted June 26, 2016 01:57 PM
id say have a look at the nearly unaspected venus and when it does aspect - conjunct chiron, which can be over simplified as 'the wound that never heals' of course that is not the start and end of it, its more complicated.but have a look at the venus/chiron conjunction
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Dancing Maenad
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posted June 26, 2016 02:06 PM
I am aware of those things, just as I am of the DC ruler conjunct SN and Neptune. They all spell troubles with love/relationships. The Saturn part had only recently hit me and wanted a sounding board, that is all. I am beyond fixable in this matter / gave up. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
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posted June 26, 2016 02:19 PM
Dancing Maenad, I don't have the aspect in my chart, but its just as likely - if your Asc in the chart here isn't terribly off - that you're seeing more effect from Mars + Pluto sq Asc. However, I must qualify that as I always do, that Ascendants are notoriously inaccurate taken 'as is' from recorded birth time. They are commonly several degrees off or more.Asc in Cap could also be parallel one or more of the following: Moon, Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune - all of which are 21S10 - 22S32 in declination. No, it has nothing to do with the aspect status of Venus. Venus is in its dignity in Taurus. It is, however, in 165° aspect to Saturn (orb 1°20'). Consider that like a little square. If the 1st-7th is intercepted in an accurate chart, this creates emphasis on relating, on the I-thou dynamic and teamwork. ------------------
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Dancing Maenad
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posted June 26, 2016 02:37 PM
Thank you, Kannon! My chart has been rectified, the time I was initially given put my Asc at 25 Cap and it was 4 minutes off than the one I currently use. It's parallel Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune (Moon is too far at 23 S 31) and I can relate to all of those. I use declinations, too. I feel the squares from Mars, Pluto and Mercury just as I do the one from Saturn. I relate to all of those quite well, even though some are tight, some are not. I know there's a campaign against wide orbs around here, I don't fancy it, I feel wide aspects just fine. Thanks for the tip about the Venus-Saturn quindecile, you mentioned it before, I'll add it to my list of doomed relationship indicators.  IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted June 26, 2016 04:34 PM
You know, this used to bring me down so much, because no matter how hard I tried, I was always denied. Nope, you can't have this. So it made me feel like I was defected in some way, like there was something wrong with me. It used to make me so, so sad and so very lonely. Well, I still think it's a little sad, but what can I do, more than what I've already done? Nothing. I tried everything. Sometimes you just have to stop throwing good money after the bad and invest in other things. No sense insisting where I can't win, is there? I guess my lesson in this life was to discover there is life outside of a relationship/being in love and it can be very fulfilling. Sure, life is more beautiful when you share it with someone, but it takes two, what am I gonna do, kill myself? I did that too, well attempted since I can still write this out. It is what it is. Can't say I am happy beyond myself but I might make some lemonade out of it and sell it at the street corner. IP: Logged |
Voix_de_la_Mer
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posted June 27, 2016 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
You know, this used to bring me down so much, because no matter how hard I tried, I was always denied. Nope, you can't have this. So it made me feel like I was defected in some way, like there was something wrong with me. It used to make me so, so sad and so very lonely. Well, I still think it's a little sad, but what can I do, more than what I've already done? Nothing. I tried everything. Sometimes you just have to stop throwing good money after the bad and invest in other things. No sense insisting where I can't win, is there? I guess my lesson in this life was to discover there is life outside of a relationship/being in love and it can be very fulfilling. Sure, life is more beautiful when you share it with someone, but it takes two, what am I gonna do, kill myself? I did that too, well attempted since I can still write this out. It is what it is. Can't say I am happy beyond myself but I might make some lemonade out of it and sell it at the street corner.
Dancing, I often felt similarly to you, I knew that I had many challenges RE relationships due to my upbringing, and I also had a hunger to experience deep, true love, due to the lack of it in my upbringing. I gave up also. Two things. The one, and my music. I figured they were forbidden to me as they never, ever seemed to work out. When I gave up fixating on my losses, I met my partner - and I got both back in the one package. Please don't think that love is not for you and your dreams can't come true. You are a beautiful soul, let it shine, just because it can.
Everything else will fall into place. IP: Logged |
Dancing Maenad
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posted June 29, 2016 06:29 AM
Voix, thank you! It is always reassuring and comforting to know that good things do happen to people who have suffered, especially when they were the most defenseless - as children. I don't know what the future holds, but I don't have it in me to keep holding on for it. It has always been a major issue for me and I have been shamed repeatedly for being unable to attract the boys I liked (when I was in school) or to keep them when I got older. So it is hard to separate being alone from being a failure, as the culture I come from seems to think it is. I won't deny it breaks my heart sometimes. But seriously I don't want to try anymore. 90% of the time I am perfectly okay with just my own company, but then there are family gatherings or holidays and it starts stinging. IP: Logged | |
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