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SnowCatcher
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posted June 25, 2016 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowCatcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone have any experience with this positions?

To me, it feels like an inability to emotionally hold on to anything, despite a need to, or suffer brutal transformation/emotional instability. A feeling of being powerless/power being thwarted. The mother maybe tested your power/or was very powerful/provided a native with instability, thus warping the idea of a "mother" as a caring, safe haven when things got rough. Since in opposition, it's like a constant tug of wanting to hold on to something, but always having it taken away, so it's pointless to. I feel like over time the moon/emotions become plutonic, (and not vice versa, since pluto is an outer planet)

Pros: Deep insight into the human physic, sharp mind, can see through people/feel people, etc... all things scorpio.

Cons: Freq. instability, security issues, etc.


So, I'm writing this to see what other people feel on this aspect, and I'm also trying to test how well I can interpret aspects. If anyone feels this doesn't make sense, please let me know!(:

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posted June 26, 2016 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nyctea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Thanks for sharing your experience with this aspect. I'm always curious about this one too.
My natal Moon (in Taurus) is contra-parallel Pluto and my Draconic Scorpio Moon is exactly conjunct my natal IC.

I agree with you for the most part. My mom didn't give me the emotional security and affection that i needed. She dedicated her life for me and my sister and i'm totally grateful for that, but she isn't affectionate and it still hurts me. It's hard too keep meaningful friendships being (unstable) like this so i prefer being alone. Lately i'm making an effort to be more sociable and it feels good, but it's... pretty much shallow.
I wish i had a friend i could tell my insecurities and fears and not be embarassed about it but at the same time i don't want to because no one deserves to be trusted that much. I'm almost an adult now, i hope my life will get better because even though i had my mom and dad with me (i love them so much, i don't want to get married because i don't want to leave them), i still feel that there's something significant missing and i can't remember one single moment that i didn't feel like this.

I have a f**ked up chart anyway, my Moon is afflicted
someday i'll learn and things will get better, my Sag Mercury kinda helps to keep me positive.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted June 26, 2016 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anytime a personal planet interacts with a trans-personal planet (especially Pluto), I think that this vibration is very strong and is likely to have been practiced over many lifetimes-perhaps even making it the agenda of the soul .

Moon-Pluto contacts
Ic-Pluto contacts.

Issues of feeling unsafe,unloved, uncared for or lacking to connect with ones supposed "roots" etc.

Often many books will prescribe the notion of loving ones family -no matter how dysfunctional- because it is the only family one will ever have.

But i dont agree with this and say that acceptance of ones family conditions is enough. So that atleast the battle within ends. And gravitation/ focus to the family conditions that they want,becomes their modus operandi.

This does not mean "forcing"conditions at home to change or wishing your mom/dad away etc. But creating ones own family that is not fenced in by relation, race, geographic location or wealth status.

Often people find families outside of the ones that they were born into and they realise that the term "Mom" or "Dad" is a priviledge to those whom are called such. And  not an entitlement .

The position on the natal chart serves to clarify what your intent is. And through first feeling a disconnect with your family, a feeling that things didnt feel "real" etc. Leads you to conclude what you may have always suspected intutively,but never been able to express verbally i.e that home and feeling "connectedness" is an emotion that is not exclusive to family, birth origin or country.

I wonder where your Moon is at? Because if Cancer is on the North Node, this may turn out to be your life's ever present yearning.Whilst if Chiron is there, it could feel like a painful recurring theme and with Part of Fortune, the aim of one's happiness is to feel connectedness and belonging.

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hannaramaa
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posted June 26, 2016 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon opposite Pluto is the image of someone straightening a leather belt before they whip you with it. Contrarily, I think it produces an extreme emotional state. Either numb, or frothing with rage but difficult to feel on an even keel.

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posted June 26, 2016 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Moon oppose Pluto with it being my natal chart's most powerful aspect. Along with that my Moon sits in the 8th house, so it's even more Plutonian.

I would reckon that it aligns itself with constant emotional extremes, constantly flip-flopping from one to the other. At one point I can be extremely emotional to the point where I want to burst into tears for no reason at all, and then I can be so emotionally empty that seeing emotional things have no effect on me whatsoever. Very deep thinking about the most basic of concepts, which are then stretched into complicated masses thanks to the power of the internal mind, such as where would I go if I die? Sometimes thinking these thoughts makes me prone to anxiety.

I will say that I am glad I have it for it makes me deep and not superficial (since I have so much air in my chart as it is), and it allows for one to pierce into the deepest of subjects with ease, for they have a powerful, penetrating mind.

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Aquarius Sun, Merc, Venus, Uranus, Neptune
Scorpio Mars conj. Asc in First
8th House Moon opposite Pluto, Trine Uranus
Have you caught onto the predicament I'm in yet?

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posted June 26, 2016 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowCatcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Electro DGX:

Yes, I can resonate with those qualities as well, esp. piercing into he deepest depths of something with ease, that sometimes I carry a deep conversation so casually I lose people XD Or conversations I want to start, people might push back due to the depth involved.

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posted June 26, 2016 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowCatcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ hannaramaa

Interesting analogy. It does hold a degree of extreme in regard to emotions, unfortunately.

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posted June 26, 2016 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowCatcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Aries23Degrees

Thank you for your interpretation, def. feel some resonance from it! It's something I've been coming to terms with, acceptance. I've started to notice that you CAN'T fight the situation, you can't make it change, but if you accept it, you can neutralize it(: Although it's very hard sometimes lol. But when there is acceptance, you conserve more of your energy because you're no longer dumping energy into something that's pointless lol.

By saying "likely to have been practiced over many lifetimes-perhaps even making it the agenda of the soul.", are you suggesting a karmic lesson to be worked on that's been passed down...?

Regarding my Moon, it's in the 12th house of Aries...contra parallel Pluto Scorpio 7th, contra P Mars/Jupiter Libra 6th house.

12th Aries Moon (2°) TRINES 4th Leo IC(4°) conj. Venus (7°) TRINES 8th Sagittarius north node (7°)

So there is a connection between the Moon/IC (cancer)/NORTH NODE, if we can count the north node with a trine aspect

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posted June 26, 2016 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowCatcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Nyctea

Thanks for sharing your experience, as well. Scorpio influenced experiences definitely aren't comfortable. I understand what you mean by shallow lolol. I always err on the side of deep conversations with people, but it seems people mostly graze the surface of life/or find deep conversations inappropriate for public conversation. Goodluck with everything though(:

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posted June 27, 2016 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nyctea     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Snow, can you please unquote me?

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SnowCatcher
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posted June 27, 2016 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowCatcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Done. Sorry, I usually don't like being quoted either, shouldn't quote others!

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Aries23Degrees
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posted June 28, 2016 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wanted to add that with Moon in Aries, the willful expression of self from an instinctive point of view is how one feels nurtured, loved and cared for.

This is the inner need to feel confident that no matter the path one goes, one is allowed free reign to just "be".

Aries is the first call of personal, fundamental freedom to be the self. Leo is the call for freedom of expression of ones talents whilst Sagittarius is the last call for the freedom of expression of ones views.

Now the challenges to this Moon suggest that there is a resistance or obstacles that one finds themselves confronting: either physical danger or pyscholugical fearof danger-that may keep oneself inhibited from fully expressing themselves fully(Aries)

Now if these obstacles create a "prison" for the individual, rebellion can result. And this often manifests as someone who grows to be extreme in the response to any perceived threat of that freedom i.e oversensitive, rash emotional nature, defensive and hyper prickly about personal stuff.

Pluto in Libra opposition brings a psycholigal awareness of limitation of that freedom from "others"

1. Maybe the mother (Moon)was fiercely independent (Aries)and met with much social hostility(Pluto) as a result of not conforming to social standards(Libra)

2.Maybe the child was often discouraged(Pluto) by a maternal figure(Moon) from expressing their inner self.

3. Maybe the child grew up with a family that had to cut itself (Pluto)from the extended family(Libra).

And so the child learns that independence(Aries) often results in unequivocal, ubiquitous separation from others (Libra)

So whatever the source,the outcome could be the feeling of self vs. others, what one wants vs. what the group wants etc.

Either they learn to suppress their own inner urges to be who they are(Aries),so that they can continue to have the relationships (Libra) they are sure they can't live without(Pluto). Until this need for personal freedom starts to implode on them.

Or they learn to simply do without such forceful expectations to conform to "group think" :Often being extremely defensive and rebellious to any sign of possible impediment to their own personal freedom.

And these latter types often experience plenty separations and upheavals wherever Pluto is placed(and in your case, it is in the 6th).

A possible way to work with this aspect, is to embrace the extreme of both sides relative to where one's life is contextually.

So that means that one may need to adopt a complete expression of the self. Even to the expense of partneships.

What will happen is that the person will start to attract more authentic partnerships(Pluto) than those that one assumed were intrinsic to their well-being. Which is ironically enough,the point of this aspect.

The other is when the more authentic relationships are formed(Pluto in Libra), one must also allow other people to be themselves. And not get in the way of them either.

So here, partneships may dissolve and build throughout ones life. And this is the ebb and flow of understanding others Libra) and expressing self(Aries).

In your case, with your Moon in the 12th, this suggests that in an effort to express yourself(avoiding reproach), you may have had to do it whilst no-one is looking.

So this means that you often make unilateral decisions(Aries) privately(12th)without consulting anyone.

Or it could mean that you feel that when other people are gone and you are by yourself(12th), then you have the freedom to express oneself(Aries).

Aries on the cusp of the 12th house is often indicative of one who likes to sleep alone.

If you haven't dealt with outright rejection from "significant" people in your life yet(Pluto in Libra), this aspect suggests that someday you will.

And with the Moon in 12th,it may be that the rejection may be subjectively felt to start off from nuances and indirect interactions than being outright or forthright confrontation.

This may perhaps be the "separation" that you feel from your family. Because a lot of you is feeling that you are not being your authentic self (Moon in 12th)and the person they are seeing, is not the true "YOU"

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posted July 01, 2016 05:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steph22922     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SnowCatcher:
Anyone have any experience with this positions?

The mother maybe tested your power/or was very powerful/provided a native with instability, thus warping the idea of a "mother" as a caring, safe haven when things got rough.

Since in opposition, it's like a constant tug of wanting to hold on to something, but always having it taken away, so it's pointless to.


These two points definitely resonate for me. My mother was highly emotionally unstable when I was a kid. One day she'd be nice and caring, and the next she'd scream her head off at me and my sisters for seemingly no good reason. I was always scared of her bc I never knew what could set her off on a particular day. I later learned from my older sister that our mom had a drinking problem around that time which makes it make more sense now (especially since I've had my own problems with alcohol recently. I feel like I can understand her more and try to at least sympathize with what she was going through and forgive her actions in the past for my own peace of mind and to try and get along with her now.)

Also the part about not holding onto anything bc it gets ripped away.. I feel like this is a recurring theme in my life. Starting from childhood when my parents got divorced and my dad moved out. He was and still is very much a part of my life, but that sense of abandonment has seemingly followed me throughout life. Anytime I get close with someone I fear them getting ripped away from me. And it often does happen. I get clingy with people bc I fear losing them, and that clinginess is what causes them to leave. Like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Or I push people away before they can push me away. I'm getting to the point where I'm learning to appreciate people in my life without clinging on for dear life. If they stay, cool. If they leave, cool.

I've got pluto contacting nearly everything in my chart in addition to this aspect, and one thing I'm learning is that Pluto won't let you get too comfortable with anything or anyone. As soon as you get used to something/someone Pluto is right there to take it out from under you and make you learn some sort of lesson. If you have prominent Pluto in your chart, it's essential to learn to live in the moment and don't expect things to last forever. Appreciate everything in the moment you're in, and once it's over, move on. Nothing in life is permanent and Pluto doesn't sugar-coat this fact at all. Pluto shoves this realization in your face with a smug smile time and time again, and won't let up until you realize this. It won't let up ever. You have to learn to live with Pluto and take life as it comes. You'll be miserable from false expectations until you do.

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posted July 01, 2016 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaturnFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

But i dont agree with this and say that acceptance of ones family conditions is enough. So that atleast the battle within ends. And gravitation/ focus to the family conditions that they want,becomes their modus operandi.


Perfectly put!

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posted July 01, 2016 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowCatcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Aries

Thank you for your thorough break down, as always! Lots of good food for thought. I appreciate you coming up with ways of dealing with this energy, too. Very uncomfortable aspect

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posted July 05, 2016 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for unquoting.

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