posted July 12, 2016 10:25 AM              

When I was younger I used to take my mother's actions as personal and against me. I'm older now. What I see is that she was abused. I struggle to distance myself from the effects of that abuse. I take the damage I see in her personally. I take the damage I see in her as my own, even though she never treated me the way her mother treated her.

Can anyone relate?

posted July 12, 2016 10:36 AM            

I dont have a personal experience here but someone I know has a tight sun-chiron conjunction. She empathizes very quickly and very often put herself in situations where others can bully her.

I'm not saying that's your case but often, our gifts are our curses. You hear a lot of plutonic people discussing traumatic experiences but they themselves gravitate more towards these experiences than other people.

Similarly, I saw a few capricorn moon childdren recently and one can easily argue that they give off a "i'm competent on my own" vibe that others leave them alone. Not so much because people truly dismiss how they feel.

posted July 12, 2016 10:48 AM              

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Venus,

I dont have a personal experience here but someone I know has a tight sun-chiron conjunction. She empathizes very quickly and very often put herself in situations where others can bully her.

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This is very true. I am very inconsistent about exposing my vulnerabilities. Sometimes I hide. Sometimes I put myself out there, almost daring someone to come take a jab at me.

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I'm not saying that's your case but often, our gifts are our curses.

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You hear a lot of plutonic people discussing traumatic experiences but they themselves gravitate more towards these experiences than other people.

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Similarly, I saw a few capricorn moon childdren recently and one can easily argue that they give off a "i'm competent on my own" vibe that others leave them alone. Not so much because people truly dismiss how they feel.

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Interesting. I just tried to give my almost 17 year old Cap Moon boy quite a bit of freedom. He tensed up, and I couldn't understand it. He seems like he can take on anything. He broke down and told me where I am concerned, he doesn't need that much freedom and independence. He doesn't mind if I tell him exactly what to do..

posted July 12, 2016 10:50 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I'm thinking a broader definition like suffering in connection to the mother is accurate for Chiron/Moon, rather than a focus on who is abusive to whom.

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Do you mean, in synastry or a natal chart?

posted July 12, 2016 11:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
My older Cap moon son (I have two) is like that. He has Saturn on the ASC, trine his moon. Didn't even cry when he was born, or not much at least...quickly settled in and just started studying everything and calmly analyzing.

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Crazy. My daughter is a Pisces moon, but opposite Saturn. She also did not cry when she was born. But she is very sensitive and cries now.

posted July 12, 2016 11:04 AM              

I meant when someone has it in natal, but wouldn't there be a similarity or similar themes in synastry?

posted July 12, 2016 11:53 AM              

I love that you brought it up for both reasons. I think it would be interesting to look at the similarities between Cap Moon, Saturn/Moon and Chiron/Moon.

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Interesting. I just tried to give my almost 17 year old Cap Moon boy quite a bit of freedom. He tensed up, and I couldn't understand it. He seems like he can take on anything. He broke down and told me where I am concerned, he doesn't need that much freedom and independence. He doesn't mind if I tell him exactly what to do..

I'll admit I'm a little confused. I don't know if it's related, but it's also on my mind

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I connect my natal Chiron/Moon to my relationship problems with my mother. One of the Chiron/Moon themes (probably pretty unique to me) is my mother's lack of self confidence, and dependency issues (a result, I believe, of being abused by her mother) and how I handle that.

Now my son who is a Cap Moon is also showing a need for me to be 'more involved'...

There's no one simple answer. My mother and son are different people. They have different 'rights' concerning me. My son is still a child. It's interesting though to compare the similarities in their charts to the dynamics of our relationships.

posted July 12, 2016 02:35 PM            

As a child, I knew my mother had been abused, but didn't care much. I was more worried about my sitch (and though I've matured, I still think I was right to do so then).

Since then I've come to understand where my mother came from, and even sympathize somewhat with how she is, I just think she took it too far (but then I have a Libra sun and she has a Scorpio), and in her mind there's no such thing as innocent, all are guilty (or soon will be) and deserve her wrath or contempt. But I expect if I'd endured what she did then I'd be damaged as well, and probably on death row if still alive today (my Sag stellium, particularly Mars-Uranus, at work), so it could've been worse for her.

posted July 13, 2016 12:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
My older Cap moon son (I have two) is like that. He has Saturn on the ASC, trine his moon. Didn't even cry when he was born, or not much at least...quickly settled in and just started studying everything and calmly analyzing.

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that is so funny. My two little cousins, both have cap moon tightly conjunct pluto. They dont cry at all.

One of them (4 year old) scolded me and walked away like a boss ... I was like: "Am i in time-out now?"

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Hey theunknown, I wonder if I've misunderstood you. I thought you mentioned the Cap Moon children because you were drawing a connection between Saturn and Chiron. I just realized you might have mentioned them because you were able to observe in children (easy to gauge authenticity with children), whether there was any stock in a Cap Moon misconception that their feelings are disregarded.

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Yes, that was what I meant. But I usually know cap moon with "masculine" sun so that might have factored to their emotional expression. And aspects like neptune, uranus, pluto definitely change the expression.

Seeing children change my astrological views a lot. I saw a couple with 2 kids, one is a cap moon and one is a cancer moon. Another one with a scorpio moon and a cancer moon. So clearly, the child's perception of the mother/nurturing environment pretty much reflects their own emotional makeup. In both cases, 2 children view their mothers as "difficult" yet their siblings really think their mothers cater to them in every way they can.

Or for example, if you have an aries moon child, you better put them in their place because they are extremely willful, energetic, and never listen.(And I pick it because it's my natal moon). And then the aries moon child grows up remembering that he/she came from a disciplinarian family...

im not surprised if with your moon-chiron conjunction, you are somewhat of an empath. Hence you feel motivated to heal others and in the process exposing yourself to things that less empathetic people are often not exposed to.