posted July 14, 2016 10:08 AM            

Isn't it interesting that Capricorn is a feminine sign, and it's at the pinnacle, apex, highest point, etc (you get the point) of the chart?

Does this indicate that women or the feminine graces or "female" attributes like intuition should rule the world, after all?

And maybe they already do?

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“Gut,” replied Carnival CEO, Micky Arison, when I quizzed him, while interviewing him for a research project on CEO decision making, on how he arrived at the most important and fruitful decision of his career: the $5.45 B acquisition of Princess Cruises. I must have seemed somewhat puzzled for Mr. Arison emphatically clarified, “I trust my gut.”

Arison’s assertion, in various forms, was repeated over and over as I continued my interviews of twenty leading CEOs about two major decisions in their careers: one that turned out well and one that did not. Whether the decision they were discussing had been successful or not, in virtually every case, the CEOs said they mostly relied on “gut feel” or “intuition” to make those decisions.

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From Harvard Business Review:
http://hbr.org/2011/04/intuition-good-bad-or-indiffer

Though, Capricorn is ruled by Saturn aka Old Father time. Perhaps it's the fusion of the male and female principles that generate all that creative success?

posted July 14, 2016 10:25 AM            

I'm not looking at Kannon's article so I can't use the correct language. I'm really sharing what developed in my mind after reading his article. The Midheaven marks a place where the soul descended into this world. It is the birth place. And the place of manifestation because if a soul can descend other things of heaven can also descend, like messages and gifts.

posted July 14, 2016 10:25 AM            

Heavily masculine MC

I was just saying on another thread that my only serious jobs have entailed writing. However, I find it hard to write in a business setting and would prefer a more cloistered environment. I've always felt that if I were to become an author, it would require a bulwark of feminine support, such as walking in nature for inspiration, eating my own home-prepared food that is conducive to mental clarity, possibly engaging in mystical rituals for increased emotional grounding. Aries takes action...feminine Aries might play out along those lines.

posted July 14, 2016 10:29 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Can I just read half your post?

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I'm really sharing what developed in my mind after reading his article. The Midheaven marks a place in time or space (I can't remember which) where the soul descended into this world. It is the [b]birth place. And the place of manifestation because if a soul can descend other things of heaven can also descend, like messages and gifts.[/B]

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Interesting!!! Who says the MC is the birth place? You? I love you! I don't know if that's true or not, but the novelty is exhilarating, plus you put such a convincing, virtually entrancing spin on it!

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Also, look how feminine energy is receptive on both ends (damn my Gemini Mars). She receives from heaven and...well.

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LOL

posted July 14, 2016 10:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I have an Aries MC ruled by 11H Gemini Mars

Heavily masculine MC

I was just saying on another thread that my only serious jobs have entailed writing. However, I find it hard to write in a business setting and would prefer a more cloistered environment. I've always felt that if I were to become an author, it would require a bulwark of feminine support, such as walking in nature for inspiration, eating my own home-prepared food that is conducive to mental clarity, possibly engaging in mystical rituals for increased emotional grounding. Aries takes action...feminine Aries might play out along those lines.

Also, my friend's moon falling in my 10th house once upon a time gave me a tremendous feeling of support, and I consciously felt that this person would be a key, deciding factor in how far I could go professionally (I was young then, and this is wrong, but it was my instinctual feeling, before I even knew astrology.)

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Ill unquote you.

I never thought of the MC like this, though I knew I should be. I like what you've come up with for your MC. I need to think about this more.

About your synastry with your friend. I'm really new to astrology. I also take longer than other people to learn basics because I get lost on simple ideas, roll around in them for days like a cat, look up and see everybody way off in the distance..<< see?...but about the synastry with your friend. I am really loving how synastry with certain people in my life is helping to reveal more about myself.

posted July 14, 2016 11:05 AM            

Here it is
http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/incarnation-process/

posted July 26, 2016 10:42 AM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
There are a few Vedic astrologers who consider the father rules the 4th (because when you go home, that's whom you listen to) and the 10th ruled by the mother ("behind every man's success is a woman" -- more like behind every success :laughing . The mother is usually the one prepping for the child to know how to look and act in the public place too. And when you get out of home, you follow societal rules, not your father's, so you carry whatever nurturing influences you have...

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Yeah, I've heard that too, and like the flexibility.

What is the relationship between the 4th house and the soul?

I don't think "mother" is directly connected to soul. "Mother" is the point of manifestation, where things come to life.

posted July 26, 2016 10:50 AM            

I'm looking for Mary in the chart. For sure my religious beliefs influence my ability to imagine that Mary could be represented by the Midheaven.

I think I'm making up my own kind of astrology. Never fails.

posted July 26, 2016 10:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
My MC is in Libra conjunct Pluto, with Venus being in Capricorn in 1st house.

Just wanted to put that out here, no real clue why.

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posted July 26, 2016 11:10 AM            

Not sure what to make of that. ^

posted July 26, 2016 11:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
My MC is in Libra conjunct Pluto, with Venus being in Capricorn in 1st house.

Just wanted to put that out here, no real clue why.

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posted July 26, 2016 12:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
MC conjunct Pluto !

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It`s not too close though.

MC 5 Libra
Pluto 9 Libra

posted July 26, 2016 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Also, what exactly do you mean by the supportive feminine influences? In life or in our personality? Or something abstract to do with career.?

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Everything

All that

In what way is femininity part of your career path? How do you channel your feminine nature to advance your career?

That's my line of inquiry.

posted July 26, 2016 03:56 PM            

My MC is in Cancer (9 degrees). It's always been tricky to me, though, navigating the proximity of my MC and my south node (28 degrees cancer--not close, but same sign and what feels like paradoxical interpretations when you apply MC to career and south node to "where you come from" (karmically) or what comes naturally to you, etc.

But then that puts my IC in Capricorn...where my sun, saturn, NN (obviously), uranus, and neptune all live. And Venus is there in my 4th house with them, but in Aquarius.

I think my past, roots, and childhood are displayed heavily in my chart. And if you consider that your MC is perhaps your "birth place" in some way as spoken about here so far, it suddenly becomes extremely interesting to me that my SN is near my MC.

Honestly I don't know what to make of it all. I had an extremely tumultuous childhood (divorce when I was 4, long term custody battles, frequent relocation, and major issues with one of my step parents who has been in the picture and is basically a mother to me, undiagnosed mental health issues, yada yada yada...)

So it seems like all of this definitely relates to my family and mother and family structure, and DEFINITELY feminine energies (my mom has been married to her wife for 20 years and my dad his wife for 15, so I basically have three mothers and a father)...but I don't really know what to do with the information as I parse through it. It gets a little exhausting at times. I really would just like to get away from my childhood but I can't seem to let it go even thousands of miles away.

posted July 26, 2016 10:03 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I'm not quoting him when I say birthplace. But he mentions "place" and the mother giving birth. He says everything, but... I wish I could take credit. I didn't remember what he had said. I remembered his "crude illustration", which I very much appreciate (!)- The soul represented by the little man... I thought, the MC is the spiritual birth place, and the birthing place.

Here it is
http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/incarnation-process/

There are some other interesting ideas; the relationship between Sun, Moon, and Uranus. He only touches on it in this article.

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Oh I see what you mean now!

Finally getting back to this thread.

posted July 26, 2016 10:07 PM            

You chart sounds complex and then, so does the life you have lived so far. Sounds hard!

I'm also a Cap sun with 10H SN. Dizzying. But to have 10H SN in Cancer?? Hmmm

posted July 26, 2016 10:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
My MC is in Libra conjunct Pluto, with Venus being in Capricorn in 1st house.

Just wanted to put that out here, no real clue why.

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posted July 26, 2016 10:56 PM            

I went to school for fine art and concentrated in jewelry (didn't graduate but have a good portfolio), now am trying to at least get an associate degree in fine art. I am working more now in textiles and I like any crafts that are texture-based. I want to work from home and for myself as much as possible, but even though I have been working on that, I'm not particularly reliable and have trouble putting power behind that desire and making it happen. I tend to have a variety of "side jobs" while working a part time job maybe and going to school, but I wish I had something that fit my interests that was stable instead of having to piece together various odd jobs.

posted July 26, 2016 11:16 PM            

At least, theoretically. I haven't done any research.

I was a good student, got into a good college, everything was on track...and I wanted to drop out after one semester, live in an efficiency apartment by myself, support myself working odd jobs and penny pinching. I knew a guy who followed that "path" and he was so happy. Often I look back and wonder what would have happened if I had followed my gut and tried that. I honestly wish I could have supported myself and grown edible plants on my balcony and just lived as economically as I could, building my own nest (4H) with my bare hands and resourcefulness. 'Would have been a much richer experience than the path I actually took.

Anyway, I guess this is a pep talk, saying, don't be discouraged even if it's taking a while to launch your dream job. I think as a Cap I felt like I had to do XYZ to be "prestigious" or whatever. If only I could have told my younger self: don't bother, just work on being happy first of all...the rest will come in time.

Might delete this later