posted July 16, 2016 09:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Of course we can still be friend, Ami.

My libra moon is going to argue with your moon in cancer, but I do have a lot of respect for the way your mind works, and for all that you have achieved and learned in the field of astrology in record time.

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posted July 16, 2016 10:31 AM            

I have seen it mitigated by Pluto conj Deja, which is the DEFENDER of people being bullied.

I have this aspect and I hate bullying.

The bullies are cowards and I will show them up lol

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posted July 16, 2016 11:17 AM              

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Originally posted by Belage:
Ami, please show me someone who can honestly say, I have never been bullied. They will be in a minority.

I have been bullied for a short time in my youth. During that time, Chiron was not conjunct my ascendant. I have recently gone through a Chiron conjunct ascendant transit and I don't recall being bullied...

For bullyism to be a marker for natal Chiron conjunct Ascendant, it should be something that has defined the person's life and CONTINUES to define it, as planets conjunct ascendant have lifelong impact. I don't see Kate Middleton's life playing out as a bully victim. Do you?

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posted July 16, 2016 02:27 PM            

Let me see if I can give an example. I have Jung conj the Sun.

I am interested in the depth of human nature.

Everyone is interested in human nature but some people are more interested and more passionate.

This kind of bell curve exists for every trait.

Some people are attractive. Some people are beautiful.

Some are intelligent. Some are geniuses.

Life THEMES are what I am talking about, Ceri.

In this case, it seems to be more of a childhood Theme, which would affect the person through life, though, through the scars/aftermath

Hope that helps xx

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posted July 16, 2016 04:25 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Well, that fits me. It isn't conjunct the ascendant, though.

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Your Dejanira is doing something, if I remember teasel. This could show being bullied, too xx

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posted July 16, 2016 04:49 PM              

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You are missing my point, Ceri.

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No I am not.

You are generalizing isolated aspects to the point it becomes misleading.
However, many people will identify with it, BECAUSE they are so generalized.

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posted July 16, 2016 05:08 PM              

maybe it`s just American style, but please don´t call me `friend`, okay? (might be just the cultural differences here, but I am used to keep that term for my close friends and you using it just doesn`t feel right).

And yes of course we disagree. That was pretty clear from my post, I thought.

posted July 16, 2016 05:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Your Dejanira is doing something, if I remember teasel. This could show being bullied, too xx

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I can't remember where it is in my chart.

It's a recurring thing in my life, though. I know that my own response (or a lack of one), might help at times, but it comes at the most unexpected of times - and usually when I'm already feeling low.

posted July 16, 2016 05:25 PM            

Stick your chart up with Chiron and Dejanira,if you want.

Put in Kaali and Nessus, too.

Nessus conj the DSC can be seen with people who have been bullied.

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posted October 29, 2016 03:49 PM            

I only remember one period where I was directly bullied, so that didn't define my childhood at all.

But I DID felt a bit "left out" as a child I remember. I was definitely not popular, and sad most of the time. Maybe even a bit depressed....

posted September 29, 2017 07:50 PM            

i was reading this topic and feel like a lot of information has been overshadowed by personal opinions, so i would like to put my own two cents into this (bucket).

i am leo asc (0 deg), with Mars & Chiron conjuncting from the 12th and Jupiter in the 1st. Venus also in 12th, Saturn 7th, Moon 2nd.

been bullied from i would say age 4 onwards - i dont really remember a time i wasnt oppressed or under some sort of attack coming in form of hate or what have you. all sorts of things. its built me as a person and required so much concious effort to regulate (to even make an attempt at entering social situations where I wouldnt end up being ostricized in some way eventually. i understand Mars there amplifies the situation, as it itself majorly invites this sort of injury. its also all sorts of reckless once it reaches adulthood, however i see clearly the difference or put better, the effect of Chiron in this situation and directing these attacks to be purely 'personal' or painful.

of course i am not saying every Chiron conj Asc invites injury, but i think its absolutely silly to claim that saying something like that is likely is a generalization. it is a very good way of putting it and once you are in a position to work on it, this is the only correct path of firstly looking and then handling it.

it is similar to looking at any planets residing in the 12th house - we expect certain negative looking events to occur throughout life in order to build a certain type of personality. in the eyes of, well i guess astrology as an unbiased science first, it is something to be expected and affected by other factors accordingly, just as likely as it is a 12th house Saturn had a difficult relationship with the father or some sort if masculine figure, or that a 4th house Pluto will experience a difficult one through the mother, we can most surely expect Chiron conj Asc to get hurt repeatedly.

I had similar diffculty getting through when i approached a fellow 12th house Chiron person, with Ch being closer to the 12th h cusp. i know this position is likely to be the underdog of society, at least very early in life, and develop into a kind of person others rely on for helping heal emotional wounds. when explaining the social difficulties, the person was hesitant and unconvinced of my words, even though in my mind - from meeting other people with this position, having it myself and most importantly knowing this person long enough to have seen this and known it to be totally true and totally obvious. but we cannot expect everyone to make the same connections about themselves, because we have no idea how they've experienced it. what i'm trying to say is - some people have a blind eye for things for real. i mean having to mention you are not somebodies friend in an instance where its clearly a figure of speech is one way of having a blind eye too. which brings me to Chiron conjunct the Sun -

i fret of making mother and father connections too easily in astrology, because its a very traditional way of looking at it, and with society having changed so much its most usually wrong too. i think we can use 'a father figure' to comprehend the influence of the Sun more simply, but we can't use the same module when looking at a persons natal chart because then it transcends the literal template of a family. similar to how a Mars position in a womans and Venus in a mans chart are often said to point to the type of partner they will tend to lean towards. super false! its a lose statement but it has roots in understanding the influence of 'conflicting' energies in a person of the 'opposite' planet to their gender. a Mars in Virgo female will connect to Mars in Virgo men. thats a building block in her relating to other men which can but doesnt have to have a defining influence on her choice of man or partner. i would first take a look at Juno, Venus, descendant, and in a guys chart Lilith too, as the tell-tale signs.

anyway, that was to paint a picture, but overall i would imagine Sun conjunct Chiron to involve a lot of pain coming from figures of authority, general respect and admiration, and thus be incorporated into the personality in a major way.

posted September 29, 2017 10:05 PM            

Thank you for sharing. I think the charts can show us that painful placements are not our fault. This is one of the greatest uses of Astrology, in my opinion.

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posted October 03, 2017 10:11 PM            

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Chiron conjunct the Sun is very different. The Sun represents one’s father, as well as one’s own ego/sense of identity. This aspect shows a VERY painful relationship with the father and one that greatly hurt the native. The closer the orb, the harder the relationship.

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I have Chiron in Aries conj Sun.... though it's involved in a highly explosive and volatile t square with Mars in Capricorn and Uranus in Libra.... very tight orbs under two. Jupiter in Sag trines Chiron. Saturn trine Mars adding some stability.

My childhood was filled with horrific abuse.... psychologically, physically and emotionally.... my birth father was hell when I was a child.... especially when I was early grade school age... he stormed out of my life when I was eight..... but I would go visit later on..... he was still nasty and volatile.....a deeply angry man

I went to live with my birth mom, but she continued on with what the birth father was doing... my stepfather was no better....(with how my birth mother was, one would like I had a harsh moon Pluto aspect)

The toxic behaviour from the parents and abuse went on for a few decades...... but I'm a happy orphan with no toes to fairly anymore..... sadly my children I have lost too...(uranus in the 5....but how does this tie in to chiron.....yet another story for another time.)

I am an adult survivor of child abuse. I have net a few decades undoing the conditioning from childhood and I have worked very hard on myself to overcome the horror of it all..... this is a life long process for me and sadly, what happens in childhood, traumatically, seems to last a very long time.

I've had therapists tell me that ?I'm different from others that they have seen..... many don't work that hard on their issues.... whether or not this is true.....i have no idea cause it's what they say..... the therapists then continue and say that I'm the type who has confronted her issues full on and thoroughly dealt with them....I have been told that others can learn from me.....I'm in deep shock as I don't see myself as a teacher or ever had thoughts like that...(Wait? What? People can learn from me? Is this some kind of a joke?)